Foie Gras Protest at Lark: NARN Reponds to Sundstrom’s Response

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1
Mmmm. Foie Granography.
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I posted this deep in a previous comment thread, but here's a list of restaurants in Seattle that serve foie gras. Use this list as you will -- people who care about animal cruelty, you may want to stay away from these restaurants. People who are really into spite and excessive cruelty, you might want to make dinner reservations.

This list probably isn't complete, and please leave a comment if any of these restaurants have stopped serving foie gras.

Seattle Restaurants That Serve Foie Gras:

Downtown
Campagne
Matt's in the Market
Maximillen in the Market
Le Pichet

Capitol Hill/Central District
Lark
Quinn's Pub
Crush
Licorous

Belltown
Restaurant Zoe
Lampreia

Ballard
Le Gourmand

Wallingford/Fremont
Art of the Table

Queen Anne
Opal
Canlis
Portage

Madison Park
Nishino

Columbia City
Verve Wine Bar

Laurelhurst
Enotria

West Seattle
Ama Ama Oyster Bar
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See? They want to take away my steak.
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HOW local &/or sustainable is close enough for NARN? is oregon too far? eastern warshington?

i would agree, Seattle is "probably" not going to be a vegan city anytime soon. understatement of the new millenium.
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For every piece of Fois Gras you don't eat, I'm going to eat 4. And love every minute of it.
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Planning on making some reservations for Friday night for a big group at Lark. Should definitely ask Chef Sundstrum to order extra foie!
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child pornography comparisons are the new hitler/nazi analogies. Godwin would be proud.
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No, Sven, they would like to see you not eat the steak, but they realize that's probably not going to happen. Which is a totally reasonable stance to take, I think.
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A puritan is someone who suspects that “somewhere someone is having a good time.” H.L. Mencken.

These people will not stop until we are all dressed in brown homespun and are living on a diet beans.
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Jen Kaplan sounds like a real brain trust.

Hey Lizzie -- what the fuck is "excessive cruelty"?? I would think something is either cruel or not?

Of all the self-righteous "progressive" groups out there, vegans have got to be the biggest jackasses of all.
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My first and only time eating Foie Gras was at Lark. It was amazingly delicious, melted on the tongue, and had nice spikes of salt and butter and richness. I think, now that these protests are going on, I will stop by and have it again with a glass of wine. Just to show my support for a small business, and against the fucking idiots who think it is there duty to make moral decisions for me.
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@1 that is amazing... Foie Granography!!
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Hey NARN, you want a real atrocity? Try this on for size, a story from the BBC on those who clean the sewers of New Delhi:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/fr

Picketing one local chef is the singularly least effective way you can come up with to achieve your goal - in fact, your tactics have increased consumption at Lark.

There are atrocities occurring on an unimaginable scale around the globe - foie gras production doesn't even rate.

How about helping to unionize slaughterhouse workers in the deep south, who are injured and maimed at an alarming rate, while working for minimum wage? Successfully unionizing those workers would do far more to slow industrial farming practices than your little self indulgent snit in front of Lark.
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Anyone want to stage a pro-Lark rally outside the homes and workplaces of NARN members?

I'm sure their neighbors and bosses would be just as wecloming as LARK has been.
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They would love to see Seattle become a vegan city and I would love to see Seattle become a city that had a more useful lunatic fringe. Next thing you know these people are going to be blowing the place up like an abortion clinic in Alabama.
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Fuck vegans and their holier-than-thou bullshit.
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Well, I for one am now CRAVING foie gras in the worst way, and if I were in Seattle right now I would head for Lark and order some up.
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Wow, these people need a life. how about protesting something that actually matters, like say the stimulus bill combined with the last stimulus bill which is the equivalent of a person with a 25K Income with $150,000 in credit card debt, stating "I think I'll just keep on chargin it up, something will turn around soon, I just know it.."

Worrying about what people eat will soon be the least of your worries. Trust me.
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Hey Lizzie -- what the fuck is "excessive cruelty"??


Some cruelty is necessary in society. We're not all going to be vegan or vegetarian, so we need some chicken and dairy and whatnot out there as long as it's raised in a reasonable manner. That's acceptable cruelty. Nobody in the world needs to eat a duck that was locked in a cage where it couldn't move and then forcefed until it died of organ failure, so that's excessive cruelty. It's pretty easy to figure out what's excessively cruel.

And yes -- ha ha, you're all going to eat foie gras for every meal and then throw rocks at gays and spit on black people and shoot pit bulls in the eyes. Haha, you are all so witty and contrary and you don't care about morals, we get it.
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Hey Lizzie, next time you update your list could you please include URLs to the restaurants website so it easier for me to make a excessively cruel reservation out of spite? Thanks!
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You posted this already. Twice before, in fact.

Now, please....shut the fuck up.
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@ Lizzie RE: 19 PS Please leave us gays out of your self-righteous and hyperbolic comparisons. Thanks again!
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Again and again, it boils down to the fact that some people in this city have been born into and reared with the luxury of being able to care this much about a gourmet delicacy that a small percentage of this city's population has probably eaten.
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I don't know why every slog post isn't about vegans and pitbulls and bicycles; you guys would be the most commented-upon blog EVER!
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@15 - Let me just say that I would also love to see Seattle become a city that had a more useful lunatic fringe.
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Lizzie, your description of excessive cruelty sounds just like the treatment of animals in factory farms--chickens debeaked and kept in cages stacked upon one another, cows being slaughtered right before dying of organ failure from all the corn they're fed...

Having been to Hudson Valley's foie gras operation, I can tell you that the animals run around free, have plenty of room, and actually do come running for feeding time. Since that's house a lot of birds of fed by their mothers (having food stuck into their mouths), they don't mind it at all.
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this comment thread is soooo 7th grade.
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I am utterly at a loss to comprehend the humungous freak-out over goose liver treats. If NARN wants to start a national movement to boycott KFC for animal cruelty, gastronmic atrocities, and essentially poisoning the lower classes, tell me where to sign up. Until them, mheh.
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Thanks LIzzie, good to know where you can get fois gras.

BTW I had some last month at Canlis, so better add them to the list.
30
Lizzie just compared black people and homosexuals to geese and ducks.
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@ 23 exactly. It is the height of bourgeois privilege to stand in front of Lark in a petulant, pedantic, juvenile snit, protesting foie for fucks sake, when there are a million things vastly more important, more damaging and more evil occurring every second of every fucking day. NARN has apparently not heard of global warming, Gaza, extraordinary rendition, East Timor, Columbian president Uribe killing union activists, economic collapse, the great drifting whirlpool of plastic in the Pacific ocean,etc. ad naseum. Or perhaps they have heard of those things, but are simply too fucking cowardly or lazy to do something about them, because it would involve more than sacrificing an hour every Friday to harass a small, local business.
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I don't really think serving foie gras and selling child porn are comparable. If you are really passionate about animals, then yes, maybe. but most people hold humans in a higher regard than animals. I'm not saying that's okay, but comparing the food people are eating to child porn is not going to get them on your side.
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Sonoma Foie Gras, which provides Lark with foie gras, is actually one of the reaons for a statewide California ban on production and sale of force-fed foie gras by 2012.

Investigations of foie gras production facilities provide a rare glimpse into this ugly world. In 1992 a police raid on a New York state foie gras producer resulted in cruelty charges. Necropsies taken of the dead birds revealed many painful conditions: The force-fed birds had chronic heart disorders, ruptured liver cell membranes, cirrhosis, traumatic esophagitis, and lesions in their gizzards and intestines. Dead birds were found with food filling their throats and spilling out of their nostrils.

Eleven years later, in 2003, Farm Sanctuary, an animal advocacy organization, requested that the San Joaquin County California District Attorney investigate Sonoma Foie Gras for alleged violations of the state's animal cruelty statute. Farm Sanctuary provided the attorney with evidence that showed filthy ducks, bloodied ducks, ducks unable to stand or walk, ducks having difficulty breathing, and dead ducks lying in cages among those still clinging to life. This evidence added to the pressure that finally led to the bill being passed.


Here's the bill: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2004/09…
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What an asshat! Comparing a menu item they do not like to the damage done to children by child porn. What do you expect from a mindset that equates chicken farms to nazi death camps. These people devalue human beings in order to promote their worthless cause. No wonder people respond by wanting to patronize the very business they target. I know I will now make the Lark a place I visit at least once a month.
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"some people in this city have been born into and reared with the luxury of being able to care this much about a gourmet delicacy that a small percentage of this city's population has probably eaten."

Exactly. How many folks from Rainier Valley were at the protest? Would even care?

Stupid white people.
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@10: clearly we all suck. Thank you for letting me know. I'd also like to know how frequently my personal choice, which you've never known about until this moment since you've never met me and I never go to protests, has negatively impacted you.

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@31: I'm trying to ask you this in a nice way - what do you do for global warming, gaza, etc? at least these people are doing something, even though perhaps poorly planned out. what do you do to try to better the world? I'm being serious.
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@2 Where did you get that list? Not all of those places even serve foie gras. Foie without the gras is just plain old liver, don't confuse the two.
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Lizzie's list left off Brooklyn Seafood, Steak & Oyster House on 2nd Avenue. They do an appetizer of day boat sea scallop served with foie gras, over a vanilla bean scented carrot puree and marscarpone filled mission figs.

I swear that was the best single thing I have ever eaten. EVER.
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@33 - So... Sonoma will be out of the foie business in 2012, when it becomes illegal to produce the product in California... you won. Leave small, local businesses alone and go try to change something that matters.
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"comparing the food people are eating to child porn is not going to get them on your side."

So please keep doing it!

Also, keep comparing geese with blacks, Asians, Jews, Indians and homosexuals. THis way, only stupid white people will be at your protests.
42
I would never eat fois gras. But I will now.
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A small, locally owned business selling child pornography or discriminating against gays and lesbians would never need to be protested in the state of Washington, because both child pornography and such discrimination are AGAINST THE LAW here (unlike the production and consumption of liver pate). What a specious argument to make.
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Sorry: "only stupid, straight white people will be at your protests."

My apologies to the Queer Nation.
45
Julie@8:

But if I let them take the foie gras, won't they be a step closer to taking my steak? I really don't want them to take my steak. If I agree that foie gras is cruel and unusual, won't they just say that my steak is also cruel and unusual, and that I'm a hypocritical bastard by agreeing on foie gras and not on steak?

My steak!
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Having been to Hudson Valley's foie gras operation, I can tell you that the animals run around free, have plenty of room, and actually do come running for feeding time.


Hudson Valley has a guided tour for public relations, but they don't show nearly everything there.

http://www.gourmetcruelty.com/inv.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBBFtDEs-…

Lizzie just compared black people and homosexuals to geese and ducks.


No, I compared a lack of morality when it comes to animals with a lack of morality when it comes to people, which is a pretty strong scientific correlation. It's really frustrating when people don't understand comparisons and analogies. The NARN lady mentioned child pornography because they were being unfairly criticized for targeting a local business; obviously, there are lots of local businesses people shouldn't support, whether it be a nightclub with shootings or an unethical porn business that exploits children.

PS I am a gay, and I'm not a vegan.
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I wonder if Sarah Palin could help out here. you guys need someone to class up your opposition to narn. you need a spokesman who shares your values and can talk about what it's like to enjoy dead animals and how they got that way. she's already the face of helicopter hunting and this foie gras thing is just the sort of thing to round out her resume.
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These animal rights activists don't seem to understand that their views are not absolute. Food lovers can enjoy the foods they enjoy without shoving their beliefs down the throats of others. Why can't vegans do the same? Why do vegans want everyone to believe as they believe?
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Bethany, I just LOVE the whiff of bias in all of your posts regarding the Lark protests...can't wait till you land that job with Fox News which you are most certainly suited to and the fuck out of Seattle. ...
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Man, the "I'm going to just go right out and eat even more foie gras" response is getting pretty old. You are not new, original, or witty, so please stop.

And @34, I am not against foie gras (non-factory farmed), but even I see the relevance of the child porn and discrimination point. NARN see foie gras as a social injustice (not just something "they don't like") and sees protesting this business as a method to go about making a change. If the social injustice were discrimination against gays, most people here would have no problem with protesting a small business...
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sorry... that last line was meant to read "and GET the fuck out of Seattle..."
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@37 I try to tread as lightly on the earth as possible. I rarely eat meat, and when I do I shop carefully for meat that is not part of the factory farming chain. (I do the same due diligence for my vegetables, incidentally). I routinely join protests, and have even planned a few myself, as well as acting as police - protester liaison on some marches. I give money when I can, (much less nowadays). I call the powers that be on issues I care about. Which all probably amounts to a hill of beans, I know. But at least I'm not harassing a local business over bullshit that won't do a damn thing to make the world a better place.
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BJC: You're kinda mean to NARN. Foie gras is ridiculous.
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@ 46 RE: "strong scientific correlation." A correlation does not prove a cause and effect relationship, not even in "science." Just thought you should know.

Also, just because you are gay doesn't mean you have a right to include "the gays" in your hyperbolic and inappropriate comparisons. Thanks!
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Sven is right...Foie Gras is just one step toward the elimination of steak.
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FYI anyone want to come to my counter protest Friday? I plan on eating three meat meals a day and holding my sh*t til Friday. Then we all find our fav Capital Hill vegan spots and go take the meatiest sh*ts you can in their toilets. Real noisy, grunting, cheek flappers that will would offend the nostrils of a mule. Be sure to spray some outside the bowl for the vegans to wipe up.
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Well, obviously once our small, committed group of activists is finished ridding the world of this particular gourmet food, one high-end restaurant at a time, we'll turn our efforts to other targets, like things regular people eat. I dunno. Burgers or something. One restaurant at a time!

Who's with me? Who's free every Friday for the rest of their lives to march for The Cause? What do we want? A sustainable diet free from cruelty and exploitation of sentient beings! When do we want it? Now!
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"Why do vegans want everyone to believe as they believe?"

Because fundamentalists are the same the world over.
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@48 I JUST SAID that I wasn't interested in converting people to my lifestyle as long as you don't slap a steak in my face or sneak meat into my curry (well..it was implied anyways). Stop generalizing all vegans. We're not all gigantic jackasses.
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@j.lee,
I apologize to you for lumping you in with the brethren you choose to associate with. However, even YOU must admit that you are the exception and not the rule. Correction, the MAJORITY of vegans are gigantic jackasses.
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@53-- foie gras is actually ridiculously delicious. try it. you'll like it.
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Tasty Tasty Tasty Foie Gras. More on my plate please. Lobes of seared gras..i will eat it naked and let it dribble down to my cock and you can lick it slowly so slowly. Oh dear god the tasty gras will ignite our love...
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Vegans like Lizzie are modified anorexics ... they have an eating disorder caused by deep psychological issues and can't see the damage their thinking does. If decreasing farm/food animal cruelty (we'll never fully remove it) and increasing food quality (yes, even as vegans and veggies, we should care about carnivore health and food supply sustainability) are your goal, you can't operate like a crazed 13 year old anorexic, convinced the adults around you are full of lies and your diet lifestyle choice is THE ONLY SANE THING AROUND YOU.

It's time to appeal to people's better nature, get in their face about foie gras if that's your style, then move on down the road. If your argument is that eating at Lark is a classist, yuppie animal-cruelty act then you're mistaken. Protesting like a crazed abortion clinic pawn in front of a local-owned, sustainability focused restaurant makes you the elitist Evergreen freak, working AGAINST the issues you (and I) hold dear.

Now, read these words ... you won't actually see how nuts they make you sound, but the rest of us vegans, veggies and carnivores that have to live with and persuade one another certainly will ...

“I’m not going to call him a liar absent evidence that he’s a liar,” said Kaplan. But: “I think it’s unlikely that his claims are true.”

"we would love to see Seattle become a vegan city, we realize that that’s probably not going to happen anytime soon"

"If you’re against targeting a small, locally owned business for cruelty to animals, would you be against targeting a small, locally owned business selling child pornography or discriminating against gays and lesbians?”

Anorexics and extremist abortion clinic protesters similarly can never understand how others don't see their own crazy logic.
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In 2005, Washington state made fighting animals for sport a felony. In 2006, Washington state made having sex with an animal a felony.

Extremist fundamentalist vegan fascism? Discuss.
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One simple way to counter these dietary control freaks is to make little signs or buttons that simply say "Dietary Choice"

Omnivoreism,vegetarianism and veganism are all nothing more than dietary choices. The more often we freedom of food choice supporters frame it that way the eaisier it will be to protect that choice and keep the control freaks at bay.
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Again, allowing comments on Slog posts adds no value (see above, below, everything other Slog archive post, etc).

Look at Line Out -- that blog doesn't have comments, and it's better off for it.
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#63, Um, I'm not vegan, I'm not anorexic, and the only protest I've been to in the past year was the anti-Prop 8 protest.

* Foie gras is the most cruel form of legal farm animal abuse.
* We already have many laws, many of them decades old, protecting against severe and extreme animal cruelty.
* Foie gras, as the most extreme form of farm animal cruelty, should be added to our moderate, bipartisan animal cruelty laws.
* Since it likely won't be banned during this economic disaster, we should use the libertarian approach and inform as many people as possible about the cruelty of foie gras.
* California passed a foie gras ban and also passed an anti-animal cruelty initiative last year with 62% of the vote, mandating that animals can move around their cages freely amongst other things. Protecting against animal cruelty is a moderate, mainstream issue with majority support.
* People who eat foie gras are being extremists, by supporting the cruelest food available.

Which part of that argument has my wacko crazeeeee anorexic vegan logic?
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I guess they had to outlaw animal lovers from ducking the objects of their affection.
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Using arguments is not the libertarian method it's the democratic method. Banning fois gras and imprisoning those of us who choose to eat, buy or sell it is the fascist approach.

But don't worry, this won't succeed. It failed in Chicago and you can still buy, sell and eat fois gras in every state.
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No, I compared a lack of morality when it comes to animals with a lack of morality when it comes to people, which is a pretty strong scientific correlation. It's really frustrating when people don't understand

Correlation is not causation. Bad science is bad.
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Or is that quack science? lol
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Vegan city! Are you guys actually from Narnia?
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* Foie gras is the most cruel form of legal farm animal abuse.

An unsustainable argument - I could just as easily argue that the gestation crates used in modern Piggeries is more cruel.(I believe that they are) But setting that aside for the moment, which practice has the most wide spread, damaging effects - production of foie gras, which is a highly specialized, artisan product, involving very few humans and animals, or modern Confined Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs)? Which causes massive groundwater contamination? Which one contributes to global warming? Which practice causes poor communities located near the facilities to suffer statistically higher rates of respiratory illness? Which practice leads to massive corporate slaughterhouses tucked away in rural communities where tens of thousands of humans work at breakneck speed for pennies, resulting in a tremendous amount of severe injuries, including amputations and death? Hmmm? I don't see your fat, lazy, bourgeois ass doing anything to solve that problem, because it would involve more than turning off your x-box for an hour every Friday.
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We will keep shaking our signs and chanting our slogans until the foie gras runs out! Fear us, artisan goose merchants! Fear us!
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Hey lizzie, If you think foie gras is cruel; don't eat it. No one is forcing it down your throat with a funnel. However, whether the practice of gavage is cruel or not is an opinion, not an absolute. Clearly our opinions differ. I give you the respect of having you own opinion on this issue and ask that you afford me the same luxury.
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I never said or implied correlation was causation.

Foie gras, by definition, is produced in CAFO's.

Yes, I'm a lazy bitch for not dedicating my entire life to singlehandedly ending all animal cruelty.

Okay, I'll concede my point and let you say foie gras is only the 2nd cruelest form of farm animal abuse. Does that change anything?
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If you want to go after animal cruelty, take after the chicken farms in Arkansas. For that matter, why don't you all just move to Arkansas? How dare you try to tell me what I can eat? Am I trying to force you to eat as God intended us to, seeing as she designed us as omnivores? If you consider it, you and your vegan compatriots are aberrations of nature.
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As someone who is not even close to Seattle, and who has no feelings for or against foie gras, I find all of this fuss entertaining. I hope this continues for a long while. Perhaps the NARN activists and the restaurateur will get in to a routine like Sam Sheepdog, and Raph Wolf.

"Mornin' John." She will say.
"Morning Jenn. Have a good day." He will reply.
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An example of closed community thinking from NARN's website:
http://www.narn.org/about.php

"The NARN community is comprised of many compassionate people from all walks of life ... we all have in common: a conviction to compassionate lifestyles. In the social atmosphere of today's modern world, taking such a stance can often be a daunting task.

One of the greatest resources to any one of us is any other one of us. Our strength, individually, aids others with similar beliefs when we come together communally ..."

Translated: the world is against us, it will never understand what we understand, the best way to survive is to isolate our thinking with others that think only like us. It's no wonder these kids are protesting like abortion clinic radicals.
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Cornichon is right about the anonymous trolling, though. I didn't care either way before, but in the past month or so I'm seriously in favor of registered commenting. It's getting ridiculous over here.
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We hopefully they'll get the Briana Waters treatment. 10 yrs in the slammer. I hear every one eats meat in the women's wing.
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@80, why do you think they post this ridiculous shit? It gets people all in a huff and makes them comment and comment and comment, which drives up site hits and ad loads and justifies costs to their advertisers. The Stranger *needs* trolls. Without them, they'd be out of business in a month. Haven't you noticed how thin the print edition is getting, and that when writers leave, they don't get replaced? The number of names I see posting and writing in Slog keeps getting smaller. Dan, et al know exactly what they are doing when they toss up a half-assed, arrogant, incendiary post. They're throwing bloody chicken bits to the alligators in a desperate bid for site attention. This is The New Media, and trolls are the Stranger's bread and butter.
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@82: if that's the case, I guess I'd rather have the trolls than no Stranger at all. The writers can't pay rent on my goodwill.
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In Seattle troll = anyone I disagree with.

I've lived in 9 cities, Seattle is the most intolerant yet. The vegans make it even less tolerant.
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@76
Of course, you fail to answer any of the questions raised, so here they are again:

Which causes massive groundwater contamination?
Which one contributes to global warming? Which practice causes poor communities located near the facilities to suffer statistically higher rates of respiratory illness?
Which practice leads to massive corporate slaughterhouses tucked away in rural communities where tens of thousands of humans work at breakneck speed for pennies, resulting in a tremendous amount of severe injuries, including amputations and death?

You avoid the questions because they lead to an inescapable conclusion, namely that your indignation is out of proportion to the act.
I actually agree that the production of foie gras is cruel. I don't, however, allow a stunted, juvenile sense of bourgeois entitlement to cloud my judgement as to what is really important in the bigger scheme of things. Modern production methods as applied to pork, beef and poultry production are environmentally damaging and unsustainable. They lead to the dehumanization of the workers involved in addition to the cruelty to the animals. Those are relatively easy and successful talking points to make. Changing diets requires people to accept a different cultural paradigm, which happens over time.

I doubt you became a vegan one Wednesday because of some annoying external stimuli.

You choice to focus on this one minor issue illustrates how truly out of touch you are with the suffering on a planet where much of the populace is forced to live on less than $1.00 per day.

Do something meaningful with your anger - the world needs you. The geese? Not so much.
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@82 I really miss Adrian Ryan. He shouldn't of died like THAT.
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"Our strength, individually, aids others with similar beliefs when we come together communally ."

Shit, you could read that on a Taliban website.

Maybe these Northwestern, all white, vegan goat fuckers should just move caves in the North Cascades and leave the rest of us alone?
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What is with folks who want to limit or control comments here? If you disagree with a post then make a counter point to it. This place is interesting because it is a free speech zone for or against foie gras. Even if in your opinion someone is trolling you have no right to silence them.
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Listen up, Narnians:

There are two kinds of animals on this Earth: Those with binocular vision, which need depth perception so that they can stalk and kill their prey, and those with eyes on the sides of their heads, which need a tremendous field of vision in order to avoid becoming food for the animals with binocular vision.

Like it or not, that's just the way it is. You're not gonna change that.
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What is with trolls who want to limit or control comments here? If you disagree with a post then make a counter point to it. This place is interesting because it is a free speech zone for or against trolls. Even if in your opinion someone is trolling you have no right to silence them.
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One question for the NARNians: if the foie at Lark was produced from a farm that didn't force-feed the ducks, would you still be protesting at Lark?
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@90 Go back to your dope and your photos of Amanda Knox, Charles. You're not making any more sense than usual.
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To the NARN people here, who on the city council supports the arrest and imprisonment of people who will defy the fois gras ban and fines? Do you have a single politician in Seattle or Washington State who supports this? Please let me know.
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"Our strength, individually, aids others with similar beliefs when we come together communally ."

Shit, you could read that on a John McCain website.

Maybe these suburban, pasty, meat eating trolls should just move caves in the North Cascades and leave the rest of us alone?
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@90 Go back to your dope and your photos of trolls, Dickus Maximus. You're not making any more sense than usual.
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To the troll people here, who on the city council supports the arrest and imprisonment of people who will defy the troll ban and fines? Do you have a single politician in Seattle or Washington State who supports this? Please let me know.
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"Shit, you could read that on a John McCain website."

You're right which is why I voted for Obama. These vegans are like Republican fundamentalists so your comparison is apt. Thanks for your support.
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"Shit, you could read that on a John McCain website."

You're right which is why I voted for Obama. These trolls are like Republican fundamentalists so your comparison is apt. Thanks for your support.
99
Homegirl, sweetie... Is there a treatment of animals that would give you some pause? Any? Or do you only hate people?
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I, for one, and tired of the assertions that we as NARN aren't involved in more "worthy" issues. Who's for you to decide what's worthy or not? And who's to say we're not involved in the more "big-picture" issues? If you ever bothered to even click on our site, you'll see, as an example, that we've introduced a lawsuit against the state of Washington and King County to declare as unconstitutional certain exemptions in the animal cruelty laws in the state regarding the treatment of farm animals. We work with organizations to reduce and mitigate the amount of unnecessary cruelty that occurs in factory farms.

And we as the board of directors at NARN work in day jobs involving social justice issues, everything from providing legal assistance to the indigent, social work for the persistently and severely mentally ill, working with children with severe language delays, providing health care, etc. So we don't "care about animals more than humans." Nothing could be further from the truth. We are are all compassionate people, helping out people *and* animals. To us, any form of cruelty, either to humans *or* animals is unacceptable. We take the stands we do do because animals can't defend themselves. We provide the voice for the voiceless. And we encourage others to do so because as we can see from some of these callous posts, it's unfortunate that some people don't have any room in their hearts for the plight of the animals.