There is little sympathy for "students," because so many of them have parents to rely on.
My parents are refugees and very poor and I'm in grad school; I've learned that my fellow colleagues get so much financial help from their parents and it drives me crazy. I try not to get embittered, but how can you be in grad school and afford a 2-bedroom apt, cable TV, and own a car? It's silly.
But I'm confused...with all of the money in Seattle, there aren't enough corporate endowments to subsidize admission? Here in Indianapolis, admission to our (yes, world class) art museum is free.
Indy, Columbus, St. Louis, Cincy, are ALL vastly different cities than Seattle no offense--I've lived in all of them and very thankful I landed in Seattle. Although that museum in Toledo is unbelievable/phenomenal/incredible...the problem is you have to go there to see it. Sure it should be sponsored but the pay what you can thing is great. I'd pay $5-10 but no way $15.
how can you be in grad school and afford a 2-bedroom apt, cable TV, and own a car?
Ummm... what? Look, I'm sorry you grew up poor. So did I. But being pissed at your fellow grad students because they are not poor is a petty, dick move.
Now that you've announced it to the world, all the homeless people from the Seattle Library will be coming down to the art museum. Expect to see a dude in rags sleeping in the Salish canoe.
Oh please -- I've gone to the Met a million times and paid 25 cents or a buck to get in each time, and no one said a word or gave me any looks at all. You gave up too easily!
I don't know what was wrong with the MET employee you encountered, but I just went into the MET a couple weeks ago for $5, so it's most certainly a suggested donation.
Also, you can get dual membership for a year for $75. I just split it with a co-worker. Or you could find someone off Craigslist. $37.50 gets you unlimited access for a year, plus SAAM access, plus 10%-15% discount to a lot of random places like Arundel Books and various restaurants. That like, what, a pack of cigarettes and a night's hard drinking? Totally worth it.
Jen, you ignorant slut. SAM cannot require payment because of an agreement with the city from years earlier --remember all the taxpayer money that went into the original building and the expansion?
On this visit, you were lucky the attendant was pleasant about honoring the law.
When I was young and broke and lived in NY, I went to the Met frequently and always gave whatever pocket change I had on me. The ticket people never batted an eyelash.
First - @13 - Yes. London rocks. The majority of its really, really important museums (V&A, British Museum, National Gallery, Natural History) all have free access to their permanent galleries.
Next - I'm from NYC, and I've gone into the Met on "pay-your-way" many times. The trick is to show a student ID. (Of course, it helps that I actually am a student.) I've also been let in for free more than once. (And yes, there is always post-art-pro-bono guilt.)
There's no "trick" to the suggested donation. I hope no one is mis-led or dissuaded from attending this amazing cultural institution by suggesting you have to employ some kind of savvy negotiation to obtain entrance. It's free if you please, but of course it's wonderful to make the contribution.
I just have to say that SAM has some of the best customer service in Seattle, hands down. The ladies at the ticket desk are the sweetest and nicest people! Keep it up SAM. I am definitely glad that I invested in a membership last year.
@3, You're right, a lot of students get help from their parents. I don't begrudge them that: I wish I had parents that could've helped me through my college days. It's a lot easier to flash a student I.D. than to bring in your financial records (and considerably less humiliating), so I was glad for the student discounts. And appreciative of those who didn't give me a hassle because I MIGHT have had assistance from well-off parents.
To add to the list: The Chicago Art Institute staff was always very friendly and never gave me a rough time when I could only donate $1.
@26, Christopher Frizzelle did say he would donate extra next time. I understand very well that arts related businesses are struggling (I'm a gallery owner), but petulantly demanding money from every visitor won't help in the end. It just adds to the ridiculous assumption that the arts are for the elite, which is a dangerous misconception. The "elite" alone can't/won't fund every arts venture, and isolating ourselves from the general public will just run us into the ground.
Gagh! Thanks for making the pleasant security staff look bad by posting your freaking pictures on the SLOG! Repay the nice service that you got by taking down the illegally taken pics, please!
five days ago i walked into the met, skipped the ticket counter and just went straight into the new greek and roman wing. i didn't feel like paying. i didn't get a sweet little red button, but no one stopped me.
@29: I live in Capitol Hill. I have a car which is older than most undergrads. No TV, but I have broadband internet and a cellphone (and student loans to pay). I make $2000 / month as a grad student at the UW.
The trade-off is that I rarely go out for dinner, brunch, gigs, skiing, etc. Money is extremely tight, but I've been poor for so long that life is manageable.
...and I have a $30 SAM student membership. One hour there every couple weeks makes me calm again.
My favorite thing is the tacky electric-pink moose painting.
Art is for the people, and we are they.
(or is it "we are them" ? Guess what department I'm not in?)
@35: wow $2000 per month and you think you are poor?!? I only wish I was so poor!
And, I mean, if you are a grad student working at the UW that means you get tuition remission, right? And your student loans should be in deferment if you are taking classes. But, oh my god, you don't have much money for skiing! Poor dear!
Wah Wah.
Anyway, I was going to say how I used to go to the MET in NYC and I took the "suggested donation" literally a few times and I wasn't arrested or given the smack down or anything. In those days I was so broke that I would walk from 116th down to the 80's and through the park to the museum instead of taking the bus or subway, because I really couldn't justify spending the cash for the luxury of a subway ride.
Now you know what a great deal it is when SAM has performances, talks, and other events and only requires attendees to pay museum admission. You can pay what you like, and see awesome programs for cheap! Hurray!
Thanks for sharing! I'm unemployed and these days am often looking for cheap things to do. I wanted to go to SAM this weekend, but had a hard time justifying $13. I always feel really guilty for not paying the full suggested donation, but it's nice to know they won't yell at me if I try.
Don't understand the issue some people here seem to have with the Met. You go in, you go to the register. You hand them $1 or $5 or whatever you want and say "one, please" and they give you your little metal id tab. No need to stare, show a student id or discuss your economic situation.
The Met used to be completely free, until the late 1970's. It should still be free to anyone who needs to see some art and has no money. But if you only want to pay a penny, just do it. The ticket people really don't care.
Sadly, the Art Institute in Chicago, which was pay-as-you-want (with a suggested contribution of about $12, I think) changed it's policy last year and now requires full payment, except on one or two evenings a week for three hours when it is free to all. Given that only a small percentage of people paid less than the suggested donation before the change, I don't imagine that lots of folks were taking advantage. So all they've done is limit the impoverished to a couple of evening hours a week -- if they can make it then. Very annoying.
As a former New York museum director, I agree that all museums accepting significant support from public funds should have a suggested admission fee policy. The Met has never said no to an offer of a buck or a quarter.
That said, no one who CAN afford to pay, should simply walk on by. Either buy a membership (always a bargain for those who visit more than three times a year), or pay the single admission charge. You can't go into the movies for free, and the last I checked, Starbucks doesn't have a pay-as-you-wish program. Get real. The costs of maintaining museum collections and facilities goes up and up, the cost of enhanced education programs is not imaginary, and the exhibitions we love to see, are expensive to organize and present. Someone has to pay, and if we really value what museums do for us, we should push for GREATER public support, and not grouse when asked to do what you can as a private visitor.
My parents are refugees and very poor and I'm in grad school; I've learned that my fellow colleagues get so much financial help from their parents and it drives me crazy. I try not to get embittered, but how can you be in grad school and afford a 2-bedroom apt, cable TV, and own a car? It's silly.
But I'm confused...with all of the money in Seattle, there aren't enough corporate endowments to subsidize admission? Here in Indianapolis, admission to our (yes, world class) art museum is free.
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Ummm... what? Look, I'm sorry you grew up poor. So did I. But being pissed at your fellow grad students because they are not poor is a petty, dick move.
You had a job before grad school and saved money, are getting a decent stipend, or are going into debt.
I think they, SAM, will cash the check.
On this visit, you were lucky the attendant was pleasant about honoring the law.
Next - I'm from NYC, and I've gone into the Met on "pay-your-way" many times. The trick is to show a student ID. (Of course, it helps that I actually am a student.) I've also been let in for free more than once. (And yes, there is always post-art-pro-bono guilt.)
There's no "trick" to the suggested donation. I hope no one is mis-led or dissuaded from attending this amazing cultural institution by suggesting you have to employ some kind of savvy negotiation to obtain entrance. It's free if you please, but of course it's wonderful to make the contribution.
Cameras are explicitly prohibited inside the galleries, primarily for copyright reasons. That, and flash will cause damage to pigment in many pieces.
(Sorry -- I volunteer at the information desk, and was probably an uptight librarian in a former life.)
Also, if you volunteer at the museum, you get in free whenever you want.
To add to the list: The Chicago Art Institute staff was always very friendly and never gave me a rough time when I could only donate $1.
@26, Christopher Frizzelle did say he would donate extra next time. I understand very well that arts related businesses are struggling (I'm a gallery owner), but petulantly demanding money from every visitor won't help in the end. It just adds to the ridiculous assumption that the arts are for the elite, which is a dangerous misconception. The "elite" alone can't/won't fund every arts venture, and isolating ourselves from the general public will just run us into the ground.
The trade-off is that I rarely go out for dinner, brunch, gigs, skiing, etc. Money is extremely tight, but I've been poor for so long that life is manageable.
...and I have a $30 SAM student membership. One hour there every couple weeks makes me calm again.
My favorite thing is the tacky electric-pink moose painting.
Art is for the people, and we are they.
(or is it "we are them" ? Guess what department I'm not in?)
And, I mean, if you are a grad student working at the UW that means you get tuition remission, right? And your student loans should be in deferment if you are taking classes. But, oh my god, you don't have much money for skiing! Poor dear!
Wah Wah.
Anyway, I was going to say how I used to go to the MET in NYC and I took the "suggested donation" literally a few times and I wasn't arrested or given the smack down or anything. In those days I was so broke that I would walk from 116th down to the 80's and through the park to the museum instead of taking the bus or subway, because I really couldn't justify spending the cash for the luxury of a subway ride.
The Met used to be completely free, until the late 1970's. It should still be free to anyone who needs to see some art and has no money. But if you only want to pay a penny, just do it. The ticket people really don't care.
Sadly, the Art Institute in Chicago, which was pay-as-you-want (with a suggested contribution of about $12, I think) changed it's policy last year and now requires full payment, except on one or two evenings a week for three hours when it is free to all. Given that only a small percentage of people paid less than the suggested donation before the change, I don't imagine that lots of folks were taking advantage. So all they've done is limit the impoverished to a couple of evening hours a week -- if they can make it then. Very annoying.
That said, no one who CAN afford to pay, should simply walk on by. Either buy a membership (always a bargain for those who visit more than three times a year), or pay the single admission charge. You can't go into the movies for free, and the last I checked, Starbucks doesn't have a pay-as-you-wish program. Get real. The costs of maintaining museum collections and facilities goes up and up, the cost of enhanced education programs is not imaginary, and the exhibitions we love to see, are expensive to organize and present. Someone has to pay, and if we really value what museums do for us, we should push for GREATER public support, and not grouse when asked to do what you can as a private visitor.