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800 Maynard Ave S, Suite 200, Seattle, WA 98134
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/sorry Dan
Having scrubbed the toilets today, I'd happily hand that job over. Just my $0.02.
And even if he doesn't (I think it likely that he doesn't actually use it for brushing his teeth), TAFT, why the fuck don't you just pretend he does and be done with it?
I'm really pissed at TAFT's age and kink bias and wish Dan had called him out on it more. By calling the guy over and over again "an old perv" it demonstrates a distinct lack of maturity that TAFT's BF should seriously keep in mind while the negotiations continue for their future living arrangements.
Fuck you, TAFT.
I've been thinking seriously about hiring a cleaner on a regular basis. Guess I should check the classifieds first.
I honestly don't see what the problem is, assuming that the situation is exactly as described. The boyfriend is fully clothed, no (physical) sexual connection is there (and the sexual connection there is solely on the side of the older man), and the older man is paying the boyfriend to clean his apartment.
I do agree with @10, though. Chances are, things will change for the man once TAFT is in the picture. Or it might not, in which case, there isn't a problem.
damn son you with your Burger King avatar you've taken all the intelligent classy ideas....
Homos are disgusting perverts.
Deal with it.
The old geezer is getting no more germs that someone rimming.
And way less germs than your typical doorknob licker...
Totally, wearing a tutu while cleaning a toilet is something a dumb guy from Poland would do............ah, a Polish Joke!
Which guidebook does Noah consult while sailing down a river?
(hint: Polish novelist Joseph Conrad)
did you wear a tutu while polishing those Bauer HQ doorknobs? I heard it was a French maid outfit.
Fucking bunnies is actually kinkier than it might initially seem.
Lady bits and NSFW (http://www.dlisted.com/node/35985) straight people can be pervy, too. This makes me shake my head as much as using a toothbrush on the loo does. No, I think it makes me shake my head even more.
are you #4?
1. Replace him with yourself, meaning clean the place up and give your boyfriend $50; or
2. Not move in with your boyfriend.
For the New York Times op-ed page. Because it so pains me so to see my Iowa actions this in print/pixels. Oh, how your frequent mentions wound me!
The rest of my op-ed is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/07/opinio…
That's why he's always cleaning up all the stuff...like just before you get back to the apartment.
Especially the bathroom. He cleans that real well.
But there's no sex.
Really.
Darn, looks like we both lost the bet.
Don't be wounded, Dan.
Or ashamed.
It was a courageous principled thing to do.
If Rosa Parks had just licked the hubcaps of that bus Civil Rights would have come 10 years sooner.
And Reagan in Berlin: "Mr Gorbachev- Lick this Wall!"
Gloria Steinem's bra- don't burn it;... well, you get the idea.
Wait a minute-
are you saying the whole
'Savage licked toilet seats to give Gary Bauer's ass a rash' thing is just an urban legend?
1. TAFT doesn't have to be there when this happens. In fact, if TAFT wants, he can never be there when this happens...and if he goes to a movie or something, what he spends (within reason) comes out of the $50.
2. If TAFT wants, his boyfriend should do some basic "re-cleaning" after the old man leaves--nothing too heavy, but if it's less creepy that way, let him give the toilet a once-over with a clean brush. It shouldn't be TAFT's job.
That has to be one of the best sentences ever written.
Then again, another person to clean up after might make him want to come over twice a month. I'm grossing myself out.
Since it's much more difficult to find good help than it is to find bitchy boyfriends, I'd tend to side with "the old perv" and tell TAFT to take a hike.
and who in his 20's will use the word "old perv"... which is highly offensive and denotes a mental age of 12. You do not deserve your boyfriend....
TAFT you are leotarded
Personally, I like guys of all ages, and some of the hottest times I've ever had was with guys over 60.
I hate the gay community sometimes. More than sometimes, actually.
Why?
Shame.
Wounding, Painful Shame.
I'm a sad sad man.....
Once a week, a guy PAYS YOU to come clean your apartment for you.
If this arrangement has been going on for 6 years, that means he's paid your boyfriend over $15,000!
And you want to turn this down? Are you crazy?
Dude has the right to ask his boyfriend to END this relationship if it's making him uncomfortable and unhappy.
And, the boyfriend has the right to say no.
Also, the dude IS being a bit of an ageist prick...and a hypocrite. Almost everyone has an odd kink or two...something that seems relatively vanilla to you, might scream disgusting to someone else.
Ditto with the laundry. I would not be able to *stand* the idea of some stranger doing my laundry and handling my dirty clothes. Blah. But clearly that's not TAFT's problem, since he's OK with hiring a regular housekeeper.
Like some others, I think TAFT is just weirded out by someone being that close to his BF -- in terms of time (6 years) and in terms of context. I mean, this man has been doing laundry and cleaning the toilet, like his mother or his wife. And he makes a point of centring it around TAFT's BF -- that he's gotta be there or no deal. So I can understand his consternation.
But still, can't argue the logic of other commentators. $50 a week over 6 years is serious money.
BTW TAFT: the fellow isn't an "old perv"; he is a senior citizen with an alternative sexual lifestyle.
Signed,
--Old Perv Solidarity
Think of it this way: if letter-writer's boyfriend was, every week, taking a picture of himself naked (or, hell, a picture of himself eating toast, whatever) and giving to the older man to jerk off to, it would be immediately clear why the letter-writer would be hesitant to join in that arrangement by posing in the photos. There are plenty of people that wouldn't mind, but it's fairly intuitive to grasp why some people would. Some people object to the idea of providing jerkoff material for someone they aren't sexually attracted to, and some don't mind. The boyfriend is one of the latter, but the letter-writer is one of the former.
If course, he can't *stop* people from jerking off while thinking about him--each and every one of us has probably been the object of a masturbatory fantasy on the part of someone who would make us shudder if we knew about it--but this arrangement would make him an active participant in the older man's sexual practices, and he doesn't want to be. It seems to me perfectly fair for the letter-writer to say that the arrangement with the older man has to stop when they move in together. Of course, it would also be perfectly fair for the boyfriend to say in that case, they aren't moving in--but we all make choices in life.
TAFT's main objection seems to be that the perv who's cleaning his sweetie's place and paying him for the privilege is OLD. If the perv with the toothbrush were also in his 20's, then would it be acceptable?
TAFT needs to find some way to live with the arrangement between these two or split with his boyfriend. Or continue to live in his own place and continue dating his boyfriend. Seems simple enough to me.