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sadly gonna end up being fake :(
For many, many reasons.
This story does seems rather fishy...
Pepper Spraying people just because you can shows a lack of proper riot control training, regardless of the outcome.
If I had a womb recently purged by a police chemical, I wouldn't want to pal around with a skeptical blogger either. What kind of smarmy jerk does that?
You win a lot Mr. Holden, but this time you lose. Congratulations on outing yourself as a total shit bag.
the media has a right to investigate claims and not just take people at their word
the woman is making a pretty big claim against the SPD. it's troubling that she seems to be avoiding backing up that claim.
Her story seemed a bit fishy from the beginning (five days later, yet *directly attributable* to having been maced?)
I hope for her sake that she's slightly mentally ill or a drama queen and not actually the victim of police brutality and a miscarriage.
Repeatedly denying Dominic Holden access to her medical records is only evidence that she didn't want to share her medical records with Dominic Holden, and judging by the tone and tactics he seems to have chosen I can certainly see why.
I don't necessarily put full stock in anyone's story without corroboration however, if corroboration comes at the cost of badgering a woman who may or may not have recently gone through a miscarriage I'd prefer to not know.
Furthermore, it's entirely possible she's pursuing litigation on the matter, in which case it's a strategic move to not reveal sensitive information to anyone. There could be a thousand reasons why she doesn't want to talk about it. Asking once, gently and politely is enough. That's not what Mr. Holden has done, and by asking repeatedly and as inconsiderately as he described betrays a giant asshole streak running through his character.
There's no "due diligence" in being a common jerk.
And they want to run the country and make important decisions for the rest of us???
LOL
Under these facts, and given Dom's role as a reporter for the paper (the tunnel coverage, let me show you it), it is absofuckinglutely a matter of public interest. And there is a great deal of reason to doubt her story, and the presence of bullshit stories does a great disservice to the presence of actual police harms and aggressions.
This, frankly, is not typical Stranger journalism, but it is most certainly journalism.
Next she'll be claiming Justin Beiber is the father.
I understand her being extremely upset at the loss of her pregnancy. I can only imagine what a physically and emotionally painful process that must be, but before she starts throwing out hefty accusations, she better be able to provide solid proof. Right now she's written a check that her ass can't cash.
Obviously the story is still unfolding, and I look forward to any follow up.
If this girl did miscarry, that is tragic.
If she did not miscarry and she is lying, then that needs to be reported as well.
Just making a claim, does not make it fact.
Telling lies to further your cause is just as unattractive on the left, as it is on the right.
Speaking of claims, I read this morning that a woman was sexually assaulted in a tent at the OS SCCC campus. Has that been substantiated?
It's as plausible to believe that she's an attention-seeking drama queen of a 19 year old as it is to believe that she was brutalized by the cops. I don't mean to cut SPD any slack here... they certainly haven't proven themselves to be a calm, even-handed bunch. But I also know that some folks are ready to pull any thread that leads to accusations of police brutality, no matter how dubious the claim. Given what happened at UC Davis last week, we really don't need to bite every hook that comes down in front of us. Sometimes cops are fucking sadistic pricks, and when they are, justice must be served swiftly and harshly (as I sincerely hope it will be at UC Davis). Then again, sometimes 19 year old homeless chicks are drama queens and make shit up to get attention for themselves.
We don't know what happened, but reaching conclusions before we do isn't helping make anything better. Stay with this story, please, Dominic. I'll be curious to find out what's real.
I've also been a long time fan and reader of Mr. Holden's articles (@21, I LOVED the tunnel articles). It's not some personal grudge, but when someone, even a writer I generally respect, puts a post on a blog I read and comment on about how he unsuccessfully badgered a woman into turning over her medical records to him, I'll call bullshit.
Maybe this lady is insufferable, maybe she is crazy. That's not at issue. What bothers me is the suggestion that, because someone doesn't want to talk to a journalist about a personal medical issue, EVEN IF they've brought it up to journalists in the past, they are somehow being shady or deceitful. Presenting such a narrative is manipulative. Anyone can choose who to talk to and when and under what circumstances. Even if they're crazy, but ESPECIALLY if they've just had a miscarriage.
My best friend had a miscarriage once. It was awful. Painful and traumatic. She sunk into a terrible depression and was moody and unpredictable. If there is even a suggestion that this person miscarried, she should at least be treated with some deference, not repeatedly pressed into driving with a stranger (ha! get it?) to a her doctor's to turn over her medical records. That just weirds me the fuck out.
There are two possible outcomes here:
1) A crazy person is grandstanding in a way where humiliation and scorn are guaranteed, which is sad and scary OR
2) The police caused a woman to miscarry by pepper spraying her at a protest, which is horrifying and terrible.
There's no way this story ends well. All's I'm saying is, if you're going to interview or probe into the victim's story, just don't be such a dick about it. Furthermore, don't publicize what a dick you are in hunting the story down if you don't want random internet trolls such as myself to call you a dick on the internet.
That is all.
Maybe KIRO has the audio on their website by now.
This chick wasn't found by journalists - she ran to tell them her story of of police brutality and its ultimate cost of human life. It got a great deal of attention, and not just locally. It affected the perception of our police force, and the protestors.
Dom wasn't a dick - if anything, this story should NEVER have been reported without a modicum of fact checking. This is actually responsible journalism, and at a time when many have lost a great deal of faith in the credibility and veracity of the press covering the Occupy movement.
That junkie crack meth whore is ONLY 19???
My 43-year-old wife looks younger than her... NO KIDDING!!!
I'd like to give a shout out to the Slogger who said I should choke for suggesting a 19 year old homeless girl might not be telling the truth.
Check out her face on KIRO's video...
Reporter fail.
And you're just assuming she's telling the truth about that? With all of her story's inconsistencies and her evasions? Are you trying to be gullible or does it just come naturally to you?
Miss November of the "Lying drug-addled whores of Occupy Seattle" calendar!
Who is the unlucky chump who actually fucked this beast? He had to be totally whacked-out on drugs too... That is, if she's not just totally lying about being pregnant at all in the first place.
Nice eye-warts, you dumb bitch.
Stebbins said Fox, whom she parented for 10 years, has a pattern of exaggeration. "My daughter is a compulsive liar," Stebbins said. "She's a wannabe drama queen."
Stebbins' older daughter echoed the statements in a separate interview.
"I seriously doubt, that if she is claiming she had a miscarriage, that she was even pregnant," said Stebbins' daughter, Nicole Botes, who has known Fox for a decade. "I'd like to see actual medical reports."
Why does that suggestion bother you? That's exactly what's going on here. The commenters in the last thread calling bullshit were 100% correct, and all the dipshits who were yelling at them about hating women and other such nonsense were wrong. I doubt they'll apologize though.
http://mynorthwest.com/11/582322/Inconsi…
No matter how it turns out, whatever the Truth is -- have compassion.
That's somebody's daughter or sister or friend.
((52 / 9) * 3) - 3 = 14.33
THanks Occupy Seattle. Jennifer 'Face-Boil' Fox is the funniest shit you're provided since the 'Occupy man shits on sidewalk' video.
If only she had filed charges....if only....she'd be spending a nice warm Xmas in jail.
"I cried a lot. I wanted to have a kid," Fox said. "But things happen for a reason. Yeah, I lost a kid, but this makes me stronger."
Man, she even lies stupid.
Meet the Face of Occupy Seattle alright.
http://tinyurl.com/6rbtqwt
We'll see if she can prove it up. Somehow, I doubt it.
Golly gee whiz I wonder why. Reporting on an openly-gay salon owner getting beaten almost to death by a pack of blacks just doesn't fit in with Slog's "Progressive Advocacy Journalism" agenda.
OWS officially sucks. It may have started out as the 99%, but now it's just a bunch of people with mental issues.
It was lazy and wrong of him not to get more facts before publishing his story yesterday. He should apologize for spreading a lie.
Whuuh???
You think she might be even younger than 19?!!?!?
My 43-year-old wife looks younger than her - no BS.
This story (which sounded very fishy from the start) makes me angry because it reminds me of when I've seen people caught up in fake rape claims. Lefty circles are so eager to believe any and all accusations of rape/assault/police brutality, it fosters an environment that rewards people for making false claims, all of which only hurts real victims. A healthy dose of skepticism is indeed called for, and I'm glad to see The Stranger engaging in it.
Remember, you must NEVER question a woman about anything involving sex or you are a woman-hating tool of the patriarchy
I'm beginning to wonder if this isn't a huge set-up that the anti-Occupy campaign that the 1% is dumping scads of money into so as to ruin Occupy's reputation...
It's filthy parasites like Jennifer Fox who make it so hard for women who are actually assaulted to find anyone who will believe them.
Congrats, Stranger. The whole country is talking about the story you started, and your attempt at makeup journalism won't put a lid back on it now. Once everyone finds out that Jennifer Fox is just some narcissistic piece of shit, nobody will listen to the stories of future SPD atrocities.
It is appropriate to call the cops badly-supervised jerks.
Good journalism, Stranger.
To those who call this "good journalism," bunk. Good journalism is what The Seattle Times did, which was to not publish the claim until they checked it out.
She's a boiled-covered lying sack of shit. Hopefully she'll read these comments and do the world a favor.
Who gives a flying shit if someone is a "priest". That makes me dislike them even more.
You slogwimps use Jeebus shit for your advantage and then you crap on Jeebus shit when it suits you to your advantage. You are disingenuous hypocritical fakes.
Dorli is a professional agitator. She's been maced and arrested more than a loose pit bull.
Rich Lang is a priest in the same way a crack whore is a show girl.
Blocking traffic and illegally detaining other citizens by infringing on their right of free movement is not included within your rights of "peaceful assembly" and "nonviolent protest".
Eat shit & get peppersprayed if you block traffic or free movement of others.
Then, when actual, real reporters do the checking, and find this woman's accusations to be lies, he decides he better backtrack.
And for that backtracking, the usual imbeciles on Slog tell him what a good job he did.
No, "Dominic" did not.
Is he that gullible?
I mean, after this, would you trust anything he writes?
Someone needs to say that it is entirely possible that this women honestly and sincerely believes that she miscarried due to pepper spray and police bludgeoning, and even believes that medical personnel confirmed these alleged facts. It is possible, further, to suppose that she believes such things without invoking the agency of "narcissism" or "attention-seeking".
In other words, we should be able to easily imagine that this woman's story happened entirely in her own mind, but without assigning nasty, devious, selfish, manipulative motives to her.
Please, Charles, come back to SLOG. SLOG needs you.
I sympathize with Slog writers' desire to provide prompt reportage of the protests, but I've come to understand that it originates from the desire to support OS. This post examples that sometimes getting the word out as quickly as possible is complicit with defaming OS and the entire Occupy movement.
That is rather debatable. OWS refuses to screen people joining it, as a matter of principle. This is of course an entirely respectable ideological tenet, but it does have consequences, and it would not be unreasonable to suggest that the occupants (as a collective, if not as individuals) do bear responsibility for the consequences of upholding that principle.