Funny watching the Stranger try to now disown their ugly, stupid, lazy and insane step child they so lovingly embraced just last November. Kind of like Jennifer Foxe's step parents.
BTW did she ever find that darn fetus or is Slog pretending they never were boosters that made that story go national?
The occupy movement just can't catch a break. When they occupy parks and ports, you complain that they're attacking the wrong people. Now that they're going after people in positions of power, people who can and should do something but won't, you all sit back and cluck about how they're doing it wrong! Tell me, what is the right way to petition people who don't give a shit?
@9: The original movement was Occupy Wall Street, which made sense. The Wall Street firms are largely responsible for our economic problems. But the Seattle version never protested the Wall Street firms here in Seattle, even though they are easy to locate (Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Bank of America Merrill Lynch--they're all here!). Instead, they've set up where it's comfortable for them: Westlake Park, Seattle Central Community College and now the City Council chambers. No one at Westlake Park, SCCC or the City Council was responsible for handing over $100+ billion to AIG to make Goldman Sachs whole for its reckless gambling gone bad.
Go read their GA minutes. Looks like theyre going to Occupy one of their own GA's! Pythonesque would be a compliment to these morons. It's like watching preschoolers sit around and eat crayons.
@9, I don't have a problem with them petitioning for more police accountability, or even to have Diaz fired/reconfirmed/whatever, but it would help if they would direct their energy in a way that made sense--for example, attending one of the council's public safety meetings instead of a random, 10-minute-long meeting solely convened to ratify future agendas.
Or attending this morning's public presser in South Seattle that was all about public safety and police neighborhood responses. Those are appropriate venues, given their focus. The council meeting was not. So instead of making a powerful point, they ended up confusing and amusing the three non-council spectators who happened to be paying attention to this very mundane meeting.
@9 - How is attacking the police NOT attacking the wrong people? The police are not the 1%.
The Occupy movement can't catch a break because the Occupy movement is incapable of staying on message. Please explain how this action calls attention to income disparity? I bet that logical chain will have at three links.
Did you hear? OS is planning a General Strike! Never mind that not a single union supports them, immigrants rights groups are telling them tonguck off and stop using their name and longshoreman tried to kick their ass at that infamous meeting. Besides all that it'll be a fabulous general strike with 100 screaming queers and anarchists!
Sorry, but Diaz did NOT can Birk, Birk was given the option of resigning (another pussy move by the city), which 'looks better' on his resume. In other words, he was not fired, he quit. And Burgess is a doucheweasel.
I support the Occupy Movement; but I would not be caught dead at a "protest" such as this; ill-thought-out and irrelevant, rude and impolite just for the sake of being so; accomplishing exactly ZILCH. If this "represents" the Occupy Movement, notice how the numbers are significantly small; and dwindling. Most original supporters feel about this sort of thing, exactly as I do. These are young people with little experience, just "reacting" from their gut; and without any plan or co-ordination. It will take some of them a long time to learn; if they ever do learn.
The catchphrase they use, "diversity of tactics", means in essence, "anything goes".
These "kids", young and inexperienced, need to discipline themselves {the hardest thing!} and, for example, be exposed to the kind of Civil Disobedience Non-violence training that worked so well to change our world, during the era of the Civil Rights Movement.
I haven't yet had a chance to talk to Dorli, the 84-year-old woman who got pepper-sprayed, about this; but, knowing her, I am quite certain she would disapprove; while, at the same time, Dorli and those with her experience and maturity, are actually using quite different tactics to bring about needed changes in the SPD. See for example, Indians For Justice and similar organizations. They have a plan and a program and are rationally taking actual steps of implementation, steps that make sense to all sides.
Black people in the South can now use public facilities formerly off-limits; profound changes can come about when we respect the humanity of our "enemies" and don't just "vent" by calling them names, as in the posting before mine! That will, in time, bring about the changes to make things better for all colors and ethnicities.....
Hey, I get it. Occupy Seattle isn't doing things the way you would do them. I wouldn't conduct a protest campaign this way either, and so it's frustrating to see them flail about. But here's the thing, I'm not doing anything to fight back against corporate robbery or police brutality or political disenfranchisement, and i'd wager a guess that neither is anyone else who commented on their activity in this post. Your opinions on Occupy Seattle's effectiveness and usefullness are irrelevent and insulting, like a history buff complaining that General Patton didn't know what he was doing. The Occupy movement was the only group of people willing to do more than complain about the abuses of those in power, and they continue to remind us of those abuses when most of us would rather just forget and let it all happen again. You would all do well to follow their example.
"The Occupy movement was the only group of people willing to do more than complain about the abuses of those in power"..... NOT TRUE!
For one thing, I am definitely "doing things" both inside and outside of the Occupy Movement -- and for another thing, much more so is Dorli, who is and was QUITE WELL KNOWN at City Hall, long before she got pepper-sprayed with the Occupy movement, long before that movement even started.....
I am definitely going to ask Dorli when I get the chance, what she thinks of these asinine forms of "protest".... there are protests and there are "protests", and I am sure this experienced, mature woman can express the difference.
And are you so PATRONIZING that you think that the Native Americans in our area, have to depend on Occupy or some other Rad group to handle their affairs FOR them???
At the extremely moving ceremony at Seattle Center, honoring John T. Williams and his family and family traditions by setting up a totem pole -- it was quite freezing cold, very well-attended by many races and ethnicities, there were ceremonies and speeches that weren't the usual politicians' crap, people were often in tears. One black-clad young man tried to disrupt by yelling something about police being "murderers"; he was disapproved of by the entire crowd and shooed away. Such an act of DIS-respect had no business at that solemn event.
From the platform, it was explained for all of our benefit, how Native American tribal Law traditions worked, to heal communities and bring about reconciliation and peace. Other Native speakers told of those organizations, formed or galvanized into action because of Williams' senseless shooting, that are making detailed demands and forming liaisons with the City and the SPD.
The two events, the ceremony asked for specifically by John T. Williams' family and the majority of the Native American communities in the area; and the small circus! at City Hall -- they couldn't be more apart! The one at Seattle Center was a stunning example of true Non-violent principles and philosophy -- which the Native American community CHOSE to represent itself by!
The disruption of the City Council "to honor John T. Williams' birthday" {!!!!!}, accomplished NOTHING. It was plain silly "venting" -- for the FUN of it, non-serious, "groovy" {a word not used any more, but perfectly conveying what impression I get}. Some people like to say that boisterous disruption and plain RUDENESS for RUDENESS' sake, is "non-violent". These people do not at ALL understand the UNDERLYING PRINCIPLES AND PHILOSOPHY of principled, moral Non-violent Protest. This Spiritual Concept was PERFECTLY exemplified by the REAL group of Native Americans who refuse to be victims, but are finding ways of dealing with daily violence they are subjected to.
They will WIN, too. With NO HELP from the Occupy movement -- which must change its idiotic tactics or wither away to an unlamented death!
Seriously, this is a fucking joke. Tase the mother-fuckers if they can't stay on message.
BTW did she ever find that darn fetus or is Slog pretending they never were boosters that made that story go national?
Are these guys complete dimwits?
Diaz was the guy who canned Birk in the first place?!
#9
In this country, complaining as the sole raison d'etre is not acceptable.
One has to present a viable alternative, or at worst, take charge and put oneself into power to reduce the offending politics.
Occupy does neither.
If you lose, it's because most people don't want you. The correct way to respond to that is to GO AWAY.
If you people weren't so fucking dumb, incoherent, petulant and irrelevant to the lives of 99% of the 99%, maybe we'd listen.
Or attending this morning's public presser in South Seattle that was all about public safety and police neighborhood responses. Those are appropriate venues, given their focus. The council meeting was not. So instead of making a powerful point, they ended up confusing and amusing the three non-council spectators who happened to be paying attention to this very mundane meeting.
The Occupy movement can't catch a break because the Occupy movement is incapable of staying on message. Please explain how this action calls attention to income disparity? I bet that logical chain will have at three links.
So move along. Nothing to watch here.
The catchphrase they use, "diversity of tactics", means in essence, "anything goes".
These "kids", young and inexperienced, need to discipline themselves {the hardest thing!} and, for example, be exposed to the kind of Civil Disobedience Non-violence training that worked so well to change our world, during the era of the Civil Rights Movement.
I haven't yet had a chance to talk to Dorli, the 84-year-old woman who got pepper-sprayed, about this; but, knowing her, I am quite certain she would disapprove; while, at the same time, Dorli and those with her experience and maturity, are actually using quite different tactics to bring about needed changes in the SPD. See for example, Indians For Justice and similar organizations. They have a plan and a program and are rationally taking actual steps of implementation, steps that make sense to all sides.
Black people in the South can now use public facilities formerly off-limits; profound changes can come about when we respect the humanity of our "enemies" and don't just "vent" by calling them names, as in the posting before mine! That will, in time, bring about the changes to make things better for all colors and ethnicities.....
For one thing, I am definitely "doing things" both inside and outside of the Occupy Movement -- and for another thing, much more so is Dorli, who is and was QUITE WELL KNOWN at City Hall, long before she got pepper-sprayed with the Occupy movement, long before that movement even started.....
I am definitely going to ask Dorli when I get the chance, what she thinks of these asinine forms of "protest".... there are protests and there are "protests", and I am sure this experienced, mature woman can express the difference.
And are you so PATRONIZING that you think that the Native Americans in our area, have to depend on Occupy or some other Rad group to handle their affairs FOR them???
At the extremely moving ceremony at Seattle Center, honoring John T. Williams and his family and family traditions by setting up a totem pole -- it was quite freezing cold, very well-attended by many races and ethnicities, there were ceremonies and speeches that weren't the usual politicians' crap, people were often in tears. One black-clad young man tried to disrupt by yelling something about police being "murderers"; he was disapproved of by the entire crowd and shooed away. Such an act of DIS-respect had no business at that solemn event.
From the platform, it was explained for all of our benefit, how Native American tribal Law traditions worked, to heal communities and bring about reconciliation and peace. Other Native speakers told of those organizations, formed or galvanized into action because of Williams' senseless shooting, that are making detailed demands and forming liaisons with the City and the SPD.
The two events, the ceremony asked for specifically by John T. Williams' family and the majority of the Native American communities in the area; and the small circus! at City Hall -- they couldn't be more apart! The one at Seattle Center was a stunning example of true Non-violent principles and philosophy -- which the Native American community CHOSE to represent itself by!
The disruption of the City Council "to honor John T. Williams' birthday" {!!!!!}, accomplished NOTHING. It was plain silly "venting" -- for the FUN of it, non-serious, "groovy" {a word not used any more, but perfectly conveying what impression I get}. Some people like to say that boisterous disruption and plain RUDENESS for RUDENESS' sake, is "non-violent". These people do not at ALL understand the UNDERLYING PRINCIPLES AND PHILOSOPHY of principled, moral Non-violent Protest. This Spiritual Concept was PERFECTLY exemplified by the REAL group of Native Americans who refuse to be victims, but are finding ways of dealing with daily violence they are subjected to.
They will WIN, too. With NO HELP from the Occupy movement -- which must change its idiotic tactics or wither away to an unlamented death!