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"And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him."
Which, traditionally, has been interpreted as "pay your taxes". I see no reason why that would not also include the requirement to pay for the health insurance the government requires you to provide for your employees.
Since your soul belongs to God, you do not have to USE the services that you are paying the government to provide if that would conflict with your religion.
But you still must pay what the government requires.
Perhaps I should write Pastor Genig and invite him to discuss how offensive it is that impotent men can't accept the will of God in their lives? If God wanted them to be having sex they'd be able to get it up by his grace. Instead they refuse his blessing and ignore his will with Cialis and Viagra. They should be accepting their lack of errection as sharing in the suffering of Christ. They aren't submitting to God's will and are setting a poor example.
Why is knowing that these individuals get their knickers in a twist over my ability to have non procreative sex, such a turn on?
The ELCA, on the other hand, covers voluntary abortion in their clergy health plan...
Then again, if these chucklefucks got their way I wouldn't be allowed any access to birth control pills so I would already be a mother!
(but maybe the Lutherans wouldn't want me to breed...I'd be having filthy Jew-babies with my filthy-Jew boyfriend that would pop out of my sinful not-one-drop-failing ladybits. And those Lutherans really, really, really do hate the Jews...)
Luther may be a revered figure in our denomination, but he was hardly perfect. While he spoke so eloquently about God's love and grace, his anti-semetism was just downright vile.
Which is still an utter shite argument because nobody is trying to force women to take birth control or get abortions. Women who choose to let their bodies control themselves have always had that option and no one has ever suggested taking it away.
But looking at his statement that way transforms it from jaw-dropping to merely "bad."
These are the same people in the same ideology of a century ago, who believed that vaccinations interfered with God's will as to who would live and die. They were wrong then, and they are wrong now. And most of their parishioners know it, given by how small their families are.
But I'm suspicious of pretty much all Christian churches' views on the Jews, openly anti-semitic or not, because I know my history and had the shitty experience of growing up in a heavily Christian area with a "Jewish-sounding" last name.
Pornographic spam, if I have anything to type about it.
Only took suggesting Pastor Genig has womb envy.
What you've got there is two companies with similar products and a longstanding rivalry going after the same customer base. It shouldn't be at all surprising that they're working on things like brand loyalty and vendor lock-in, rather than trying to negotiate a merger.
Facebook messages might be better than posting on the wall if they're censoring that as well.
Ok, not my crispest, but I posted it, drove my daughter to class and it was gone by the time I returned. Then again, Missouri Synod is the Lutheran church's nasty, racist, homophobic cousin. I'd expect nothing less from them.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/91214…
They don't do themselves any favours do they?
Anyway. Promise I'm not hijacking but please all you colonials, help the old country out and condemn this old bigoted f*&cker:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/91214…
A nun is making her rounds in a local hospital. She sits down with a man and asks him if he's healing (which he is) and then starts to talk to him about his life.
"Are you married?"
"Yes, I am," he says.
"And do you have children?"
"6," he says proudly.
"Oh, what a good Catholic you are! You took God's words to heart and were fruitful and multiplied!"
"Actually, Sister, I'm Jewish."
"DIRTY SEX MANIAC!"
As for the rest of the nonsense, I'm not touching it. That's just crazy shit. Although, gotta say, I'd love me some of whatever that idiot is smokin'.
Did I wake up in the Dark Ages? Wow!
The past tense of "lead" is "led." Better change that headline. :)
Thank you,
Ms. Grammarian
The single most important issue on the ballot, for me, is easy access to birth control. If the Republicans want to stand against that, then they've essentially cast my vote for the other party.
But unfortunately my "Fem-Control-O-Ray" Doesn't seem to be working. This is especially sad as I really would like to see what dessert is in northern Washinton.
When you consider this in the context of the ultrasound legislation in Virginia, the Komen debacle, Santorum's rant against birth control, the "aspirin between the legs" comment, and I'm probably missing some others, I think conservatives have crossed the line for many of their own womenfolk.
Truth be told...
Catholic women rally against contraception mandate
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/c…
So, there is an actual woman speaking about the issue (something I rarely find in SLOG).
For myself, I'm waiting for the Japanese to make affordable female robots that are at least 60% of the real thing. Then we guys can stay in our garages trade fembot parts. Like real men.
I am not desperate enough to try to address these people. They are too crazy. And this from someone who took on the Timecube guy for the heck of it.
Apparently there are a number of high school girls saying their mothers received Limbaugh's comments pretty well.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/04…
http://crooksandliars.com/bluegal-aka-fr…
It makes me want to move to Montana and form an all-female militia or something. If the Republicans win, that may be what I do:p
The High priests that judged and condemned Jesus were, in my opinion, bureaucrats that fought to (successfully) maintain their entrenched hold on power in ruling the faith of the Jews. I find the similarity in the behavior of frothyman to be more of the same, but with the realm of Christian orthodoxy.
Peace.
Shouldn't that read "One little HHS mandate was all it took to "falsely" coerce women into believing that they're not really women if they do have control over their own bodies"?
It freaked me out long before I was supposed to have a mind of my own. My sister and brother-in-law are very much into being active Catholics. I went because my mother made me. And it never took.
There is no question what so ever that pregnancy does affect you physically and does make it difficult to do the things that boys do. You know what else has that effect? Things like the effects of unbalanced hormones, fibroids and all other sorts of reproductive organ problems that lead to difficult and lengthy menstrual cycles. Things like birth control help with that too.
By the way, the Lutheran Church of the Missouri Synod has quite the interesting theological rationalization for outright fucking racism too. So...
'Cause, you need to enlist the men, too, and nothing would get their attention faster than that.
What else is the female body? A fetish object for runways that is open to public discussion if you're too skinny or if god forbid, you put on 10 lbs. and are then considered a disgusting pig. Women's bodies are porn for the masses.
And don't even get me started on the Virgin Mary (as if there really was a virgin birth) and the modern day virginity pledges and the fucked-up way that religion reduces female sexual power to nothing. There are no goddesses in the bible and male power is the only viable power according to most religions.
So yeah, this piece of shit is correct. What woman is actually able to feel like she is in control of her body? When 1 in 4 women are raped (or molested) and the person most likely to murder you is your spouse or partner, there is no way to ever really feel "in control".
Not to mention that if you have an opinion or are intelligent, someone like Rush Limbaugh can easily silence you or degrade you by calling you a slut. Or if you dare to express yourself sexually, then you might as well put a scarlet letter on your chest.
> You needed to have checked your temperatures and her cervical mucous before each time, so you were consciously having or not having babies. "Perfect use" of fertility awareness methods seems to have high effectiveness. It's just a depressing way to live out an intimate relationship. >
The woman checks her body signs in the morning; it's just something to remember like taking the pill. It is true that you know whether or not you're fertile, but so does everyone on the pill (= not fertile).
In what sense is FAM a depressing way to live out an intimate relationship? On the contrary, FAM is a crucial step for all women, at every stage past puberty, to understand their bodies.
Religious fanatics are empowered these days to speak in public what they've been preaching in church since the dawn of times, primarily because civic/political leaders don't call them out on it. They need to keep this shit in church. It's really offensive.
Why do you have to tell anyone what kind of birth control you are or aren't on? Unless it's your partner or healthcare provider, how is it anyone else's goddamn business?
A year ago I was in a minor traffic accident [I backed into another vehicle at 10mph], as the other driver [a woman] and I were standing there exchanging insurance info, a man walking down the side walk says to me [as if she didn't have ears] "Well that's the good thing about Saudi Arabia." I didn't catch his meaning, and stared at him confusedly. He repeated what he had said, gestured to the woman and added, "Well there they don't let them behind the wheel you know."
But this is fucking Texas: parched, ugly and full of oil and fundies. All we need now are the camels.
HHS mandate (as understood by emailer): All women have control of their own bodies. Therefore, If A doesn't have control over A's body, then A isn't a woman.
Does this "mean" a paralyzed person can't be a woman? Someone in bondage?
HHS mandate (as understood by emailer): All women have control of their own bodies. Therefore, If A doesn't have control over A's body, then A isn't a woman.
Does this "mean" a paralyzed person can't be a woman? Someone in bondage?
So, to sum up, people who benefit from understanding fertility-awareness include:
- women who want to get pregnant, and
- women who have sex with men AND don't want to get pregnant AND don't use hormonal bc
C.S. Lewis sums it up in Mere Christianity thus: “Imagine yourself as a living house. God comes in to rebuild that house. At first, perhaps, you can understand what He is doing. He is getting the drains right and stopping the leaks in the roof and so on; you knew that those jobs needed doing and so you are not surprised. But presently He starts knocking the house about in a way that hurts abominably and does not seem to make any sense. What on earth is He up to? The explanation is that He is building quite a different house from the one you thought of - throwing out a new wing here, putting on an extra floor there, running up towers, making courtyards. You thought you were being made into a decent little cottage: but He is building a palace. He intends to come and live in it Himself."
It made sense to me at the time. And I still think that people who are well advanced on the path to a deep spiritual understanding of how their life fits into the Universe tend to have a joyful sense that we all belong to each other -- a sense that we are "for" each other, rather than just selfishly for our own selves.
However, that's not how it comes across. It comes across as, "You don't get to control your body. We will tell you what to do with your body."
Inasmuch as it serves to beat women down, tell them they're not good enough, and force compliance, rhetoric about not owning your own body is terrible and to be opposed.
@85 I know about non-hormonal IUDs, but they sometimes cause sterility (and I really, really want to have kids) and localized hormones but I'd rather skip it. Thanks for the solidarity :)
What about us non-mothers who never needed any 'coercion' (much less encouragement!) to empower my-female-self by striving to maintain control of my body?
One thing I want to say -
I was raised Lutheran. As an adult, I don't have faith, but I have to say I love the church I was raised in, which my parents still go to. They never, ever brought this politics jazz into things. Both of the pastors I had were promoted to assistant-to-the-Bishop, too. And those guys were nothing short of tolerant, compassionate, and open-hearted individuals. I recall I was in confirmation class when the Matthew Shepherd incident happened and the pastor canceled regular confirmation class to talk about why he didn't believe in a god that condemns gay people and we spent the evening praying for Shepherd's friends and family (in a 'may they find peace in their grieving' way - NOT in a 'save the filthy gay' way).
Just saying.
I want to underline the fact - and I appreciate this about them very much - that my parents live incredibly conservative lives. I don't think my mother has even smoked weed. They have a super-traditional marriage (dad = bread winner, mom = home maker). They go to church every single Sunday. My mom buys goats (from non-missionary groups) every Xmas for starving people in Africa. They own like 10 versions of the Bible and watch 'Mysteries of the Bible' on the learning channel or whatever. I'm 27 and they still get mad if I say, "goddamn."
HOWEVER, they are very socially-liberal (pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-teaching evolution, etc. etc.) I <3 <3 <3 them for dedicating their personal lives to a spiritual discipline that I think they both truly believe while maintaining a generous margin of wiggle room for everyone else to choose their own meaning-of-life, too, without condensation or judgment.
The comments start off with some, 'Obama's attacking our religious freedoms, eek!' crap. But a little ways down the htread the comments are really calling out the imbicility and hypocracy of the article.
Amen.
If he isn't faking it, he is very committed.
A. Prevention of Unintended Pregnancies
Prevention of unintended pregnancies is crucial in lessening the number of abortions. In addition to efforts within church and home, this church supports appropriate forms of sex education in schools, community pregnancy prevention programs, and parenting preparation classes. We recognize the need for contraceptives to be available, for voluntary sterilization to be considered, and for research and development of new forms of contraception.