Blogs Apr 17, 2012 at 2:42 pm

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My guess is Colorado's own Tom Tancredo. Now to click and see if I was right...
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Nope. But the fact that I guessed Tancredo says a lot about him - that the actual person's words could be mistaken for his.
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The Onion A.V. Club Denver edition did a funny article on shit said by Glenn Beck or Glenn Danzig:

http://www.avclub.com/denver/articles/gl…
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That guy is not improving my opinion of men with mustache-less beards.
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I'm guessing Brievik.
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@5: yeah, that was my guess too -- the "cultural Marxists" obsession was one of his major themes.
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I thought Breivik was supposed to be the obvious answer and Mel Gibson or something was the surprise reveal.
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I was so sure it was gonna be Rush Limbaugh :(
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That was too easy. But what fun to be reminded of Glenn Beck's comment last summer, comparing Breivik's victims to the Hitler Youth:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/20…
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@4: For me, the mustache-less beard will always be thought of as "The C. Everett Koop."
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My guess was Pam Geller, which isn't far off. She was a big Breivik influence and supporter (and still is, secretly). So was Bruce Bawer, who has been invited to write in The Stranger before.
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@11: !!! The Stranger gave Bawer money? WTF?
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"native-born citizens would be a minority in their own capital city within five to ten years" - can't say he's wrong on that prediction.
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@13: actually, it's pretty easy to say he's wrong on that prediction. Because he's wrong.

(It's also begging the question: are the locally born children of immigrants not "native-born?" If your answer is yes, then even a hypothetical immigrant majority is going to be temporary. If your answer is no, go fuck yourself.)
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@12, http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/bruce…

Bawer is popular with the nativist queer right, which actually exists, and pitches his nonsense in such a way that people like Dan Savage and Andrew Sullivan fall for it on a regular basis. His basic thesis is absurd, of course: that Amsterdam in particular but all European cities in general are so overrun with gay-bashing terrorist Muslims that ordinary life is no longer possible there. People gobble up his descriptions of gays "fleeing" Amsterdam, or Malmo, or Oslo, because they are murdered and beaten wholesale by the dozens every day, but if you examine the evidence, it's usually one or two cases five or six years ago. And of course he has a powerful financial interest in not understanding the immigrant experience in Europe, so he never tries; they're all terrorists to him. That's what pays his bills.
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Ugh. That is unbelievably depressing. I'll never fathom Dan's tolerance for Sullivan, and now Brievek, too?
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Good call to those who guessed Brievik! And Rush Limbaugh would never say that. Say what you will about him (and there's a lot to say!), but I have never once heard him gripe about immigrants or minorities, like many of the other conservative talk show personalities do. That's just not his thing. He's all about the supposed evils of government, three hours a day, five days a week. I've never even heard him go an anti-gay or anti-secularism crusade. You get the sense he's not the church type.

I thought the answer would be some washed up Fifties entertainer.

Anyway! The frank Nazi worldview proudly expounded upon by Brievik is not at all foreign to America. The National Review writer who got fired recently, Robert Weissberg, had been a speaker at the annual conference of what is a Nazi group in everything but name, called American Renaissance. They posted a summary of what the speakers, including Weissberg, said, and you can go over there and read up. It is EXACTLY the same kind of stuff Brievik said. It is 100% pure retro-Nazi, and it's all American.
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@17,

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest Dan wouldn't tolerate Brievek (were you being silly there? Didn't pick up on it, if so.) Sullivan may well be an ass (don't know that much about him myself) but on a different sphere than Brievek.
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@19, I didn't say "Dan tolerates Breivik", fool. I said that Dan tolerates Bruce Bawer, or did at one point (up until 2007, at least). But Bawer's ideas come from the same fetid swamp as Breivik, and heavily contributed to the growth of that swamp. Bawer never explicitly called for mass murder, and if he ever did go there he'd be mass-murdering Muslim immigrants, not Norwegian children.

But Bawer bears some responsibility for Breivik. So does Pam Geller. So do a lot of people in the hard-right anti-immigrant wave that's come over both Europe and America, and moved out of the secret meetings of bug-eyed creeps and into the official positions of far-right parties. That's where Breivik comes from.

Sullivan, whom I generally respect as an intellectually curious commentator with good instincts but an uncontrollable attraction to shiny objects, particularly fellows with "this explains everything!" approaches to pop pseudoscience (The Bell Curve, Freakonomics, Tyler Cowen, Steven Pinker, etc.). One of those shiny objects was Bruce Bawer, who was just another boring gay writer scuffling for magazine commissions until he hit upon his special subject in the wake of 9/11: the horror of Islam, particularly the conflict between Muslim immigrants in the big cities of Europe and the burgeoning gay populations there. Never mind the bigger picture -- it was the Muslims attacking the gays that was the only interesting thing. Particularly after Theo Van Gogh was murdered in Amsterdam. That's what set these guys off. And because guys like Bawer had a ready-made explanation for everything, they got a huge amount of attention, and column inches, in the gay press, including The Stranger. Bawer's philosophy was, in a nutshell, send them back to where they came from before they destroy us all, because Islam is incompatible with human decency, particularly the decency of sensitive white people. The fact that 95% of their argument was built on lies and distortions never mattered; it's a sensational story. Sensational!

This is exactly what set Breivik on his course. Sullivan has disowned his former friend Bruce Bawer, as have a lot of people, and the "movement" has continued to sink into the depths of mentally-ill cretins like Pam Geller, who literally thinks that two Muslims praying on an airplane are plotting to blow it up, and murderous Christian Crusaders like Breivik. Bawer is partly responsible for him. I never said Dan was; the worst Dan was guilty of was following a fashion, which has hopefully expired.
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Fnarf,

It weren't you, but rather the commenter that followed, who seemed to suggest Dan was tolerant of him (though I wonder if I was missing some implicit sarcasm there or something.)

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