Yes, but was it really Shakespeare?

Did he invent all these words? Or was he just the first to put some on paper?

The outbreak of his vaulting talent is unreal, majestic, and, at times, obscene.

Elbow?

What the hell did people call it before that? Armbend?

Did he invent knee also? If he invented elbow and not knee that would be really strange.

I bet he also invented the phrase "eat a crocodile" (from the Ophelia funeral scene).

I suspect there's a lot to what emor @3 suggests. Shakespeare has enjoyed a level of attention and longevity that I'm sure many of his contemporaries haven't. Maybe it isn't that he invented these words entirely, his is just the oldest record we can find them in.

@5 there's a funny scene in Henry V about that, actually.

amazeballs!

@5, @7

OED says this about elbow:

Origin:
Old English elboga, elnboga, of Germanic origin; related to Dutch elleboog and German Ellenbogen (see also ell, bow)

So it wasn't like he just made up words out of thin air--even Lewis Carroll's nonsense words had a certain logic, right? Instead, it sounds like he's credited with originating the forms that the words generally appear as today. There were also pretty much no dictionaries or standards of spelling for English at the time, either; I seem to recall reading that Shakespeare spelled his own name inconsistently. I suppose the fact that these forms have persisted reflects the level of authority that his output and popularity brought to him.

@3

That's the fucking point, basically. In Shakespeare do we have the first historical attestation, as far as we know so far, of certain terms. But is it really reasonable to assume he was such a coiner of neologisms? Truthfully, we would expect him to merely make use of terms already commonly employed in the common tongue.

Shit, would we assume Homer invented Greek because he was the first attested writer of any sort of functional Greek? Even if not, there are so many terms that occur in Homer and nowhere else; should we then assume he coined them all, rather than they all being part of a more obscure dialect?

English scholars usually get a piss-poor education in linguistics; and this problem is systemic. Even at the peer-reviewed level, such obvious logical flaws fall right through the cracks in the floor, as English scholars typically possess none of the most rudimentary tools of linguistics.

So yeah, you so a lot of English scholars fellating each other over the works of William Shakespeare, that silly clownish fop.

@1 - Oh for fuck's sake. Do us a favor and stick to one topic to blather nonsense about.

Eat a dick, @ 11.

@11: You have really jumped over to full time troll the last couple weeks or so. Have you and Gay Dude been meeting for cocktails?

@11, you are very eloquent.

@11

I presume Shakespearean scholars probably have a better understanding of English in the 16th and 17th centuries than you do.

Why are you so angry?

@12: Someone else may have made my silly joke, you're just particularly annoyed that I made it.

@14: We haven't, but I'd love to enjoy a round of libations to hear more of what sparks @11's dogmatic observations.

@ 18, you have no intention of answering my point on the morning news thread, do you?

@10: "I seem to recall reading that Shakespeare spelled his own name inconsistently."

Yes, and of all the documented spellings he used -- Shakspere, Shakspeare, etc. -- the only one he didn't use is the one we use now.

Despite all the hate for @11, I think he's got a real point. Shakespeare fans make no effort to distinguish between the creation of a word and the oldest record of printed use. These are clearly very different things. It makes no sense for a playwright to use hundreds and even thousands of words that the audience had never heard and wouldn't be able to relate to.

Also, I looked up Alligator in my dictionary and it gave the source as originating in Spanish with a first documented use between 1560 - 1570. Shakespeare was born in 1564.

@19: Sorry, but I don't want to clutter this post's comments with a sub-thread about a thread on another post. Seems like that violates Slog etiquette.