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But I guess that is to be expected from a rich white dude of "privilege" who practices a religion that is also racist, despite the "revelations" allowing blacks into the priesthood and the whitewashing of the previous books of mormon.
What a fucking jackass.
I'm sure the Utah papers won't even mention this. They're too busy slobbering over the religious parade today and making sure we all know what Brigham Young and the pioneers supposedly did.
(Though the SL Trib originally had a story with the words Mitt's Minions in the title - it has since been changed to Mitt's backers).
But it is okay for your people to do that as long as they do it anonymously?
"He also attacked Mr Obama on Tuesday over the 'contemptible' alleged leak of secrets about the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, the drone campaign against al-Qaeda and cyber-attacks on Iran."
So when Obama's people do it it is bad.
But when Romney's people do it it is good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Saxon
We've been at war with England twice.
I don't think we've ever been at war with Africa.
Not that any of that matters. Well, except the racists, although it doesn't matter with them either.
You know all those blacks that voted for Obama that aren't all that exited to re-elect him? I think they just got re-energized. You know all those hispanic voters in a few swing states that Rmoney desperately needs to win? Say goodbye to those voters.
Racist dog whistles may have worked in the 1980s, but they'll do just the opposite in 2012.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan-Am…
I know it's not Kenya, but still.
Its basicly the same only a bit more creapy since the racist talks about ethnicity or better yet "culture" instead of things like race or skin colour.
The real mistake is it might - might - push people, particularly minority voters, who weren't going to vote at all into voting for Obama. Enough to make a difference? Remains to be seen.
And now Romney is going to go off to the Olympics, where I'm sure he'll be caught saying more stupid things.
And where he'll remind all of us again just how rich he is -- hey he owns a horse competing in the Olympics.
What an asshole.
The Truth hurts, doesn't it girls.....
Not just Anglo-Saxon; Protestant Anglo-Saxon.
The Protestant ethic is what makes America,
and before her Britain,
special.
Exceptional.
It's not the blood in the veins.
It is the Ideals and Aspirations in the Heart.
Compare the contribution Britain has made to that of Africa.
Or Spain.
Or Italy.
Or Russia.
Or Egypt.
Or any other nationality or nation you care to offer.
Socialism doesn't make you great
(it is sucking the vitality out of Britain)
Sucking and Clawing at the Titty of the Nanny State
all of your life
doesn't make you great.
Why did America become what it did while Argentina and Brazil wallowed.
Both were resource rich area settled by Europeans....
Mediterranean Catholics settled Latin America.
Anglo-Saxon Protestants settled and established the culture of America.
And therein lies Destiny.....
Because if we did, there'd be no end to this until Romney fired whoever said that, and not even then.
Speaking of Hispanic voters, Romney is a pendejo. Spread the word.
it's 2012.
your calendar seems to have stopped
several thousand years ago.....
The Romans were awesome but, sorry; Italians≠Romans
and the Greeks certainly were clever at math.
but try to focus;
look at the modern world
and you will see that most that is desirable and beneficial
sprang from Protestant Anglo-Saxon culture.
and functional modern societies are,
by and large,
those that adopted those values.
and they are functional,
by and large,
to the extent that they were successful at adopting them.
America and the Commonwealth at the top of the heap.
Germany and Scandinavia next.
Japan (adopters of Prussian and British values when the modern state was developing....) is high up there.
the Catholic European nations come dragging along somewhere in the middle. their former colonies somewhere below.
Orthodox Russia and Greece? basket cases.
Muslin nations? enough said.
SubSahara Africa? ouch.
And that's a hell of a lot less of a stretch than the left's weak explanation of "you didn't build that".
But hey, white people.
The Spaniards controlled a massive overseas empire to match that of Great Britain, and the wealth they amassed from their exploitation of the New World, blood money as it was, was the envy of all nations.
The Abbasid Caliphate, ruling virtually the entire Middle East from its seat in Baghdad, was a center of science and culture at a time when Christian Europe was still in the Dark Ages, and it was they who preserved much of the knowledge of the Greeks.
And the Ottoman Empire? They surpassed pretty much everybody in their heyday.
Of course, you'd like to attribute the values that this country was built on to WASP culture. As if they had anything to do with Teutonism or Protestantism!
Brazil's doing better economically than Britain, in no small part thanks to social democratic economic policies.
oh please do enlighten us....
who beats the Brits?
If you compare the Bush-Blair friendship, then yes, the two governments (not men) had different relationships. Obama chose not to make England "special" among European equals as his predecessor did.
oh Junior, the point is right there and you are missing it.
Sure the Spaniards had an empire.
and stole a shitload of silver and gold.
and imposed their cultural values on the peoples they oppressed.
and the nations that succeeded their empire were a collection of disfunctional poverty stricken cripples.
ditto Islam.
the wreckage those empires left behind pretty much define the term 'third world hellhole'
compare and contrast them with the nations that adopted British values; USA and the Commonwealth.
even you will see the difference.
the values of the empire builder make a huge difference in the functionality of the nations that arise from the old empires.
.
And if it was not Protestantism that molded American cultural values then what?
please share.....
might i point out that a MORMON BISHOP is not exactly a member of the C of E, so his bona fides as an Angle or a Saxon are suspect? i have no doubt that eyes are rolling in England over this, too.
The racists dog whistle's a-blowin.... While @ 44's telling the truth, most people forget Obama's mother was white at all, let alone descended from colonials.
But staffers do often fail their bosses, so we really can't blame Mitt. No more than we can blame Obama for Anita Dunn praising Mao Tse Tung.
Idiots like you who insist that our greatness is somehow due to our dominant racial or religious make-up as opposed to what we do with our opportunities DESPITE those aspects of our culture are the ones driving us back to the dirt while nations like China rise. Oh, by the way, they were pretty influential back in the day, too.
"But staffers do often fail their bosses, so we really can't blame Mitt."
Strange how you show up whenever there is racism to defend.
If Romney does not publicly fire whomever made that statement then he will be seen as condoning it.
But I'm sure you'll defend whatever the racists say and do.
No, it's only astonishing when you've deliberately plugged your ears, eyes, nose and all other sensory input organs so as to ignore everything about Romney and make believe that he's not at all what he obviously is: He's a rich white self-entitled bigot that got that way because he's from a group of other rich white self-entitled bigots. His goal is power and he doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone unless they're also rich white self-entitled bigots. And sorry, gay idiot for romney, if you miss anyone of those qualities, you're out. So unless you're sitting on a few hundred million in foreign banks, what you think makes no difference. Now shut your pie hole and vote for Romney!
Ditto the Abbasid Caliphate and the Ottoman Empire. Their nations were great centers of cultural and scientific advancement while they flourished, and the decline in the public welfare came when the empire was fragmented and power struggles gripped the remnants. That is how things work. You'd understand such things if you ever took a history class.
And if the British Protestant Anglo-Saxon cultural motif is a recipe for success, why isn't India a global superpower? It was taken over by the British and had their ideals imposed on it, bringing centralized rule and capitalism to the subcontinent. And although it achieved independence via a somewhat more peaceful method than the USA, India somehow remains underdeveloped, with many rural areas lacking entirely in infrastructure, and with poverty and corruption rampant. Explain that, punk.
Finally, you err in assuming that one factor was responsible for the molding of American cultural values, when, in actuality, our national identity draws on many sources.
M-E-X-I-C-O.
Mexican Mormons. The last bastion of Anglo Saxon "Christian" purity.
As has been shown a hundred times, and when you see the entire context of the video, Dunn was ironically paraphrasing Republican strategist LEE ATWATER - who actually wrote lengthy passages in his book and else where in admiration of "political philosophers" like Mao, Machiavelli, and... wait for it... even Joseph Goebbels. OMG! He must have been an Italian marxist nazi!
But of course you wouldn't know that because you don't even know the history of your own idiotic party.
And to be fair, Romney's true inner circle is going to be all white people. His religion teaches that people with darker skin tones are garbage, cursed by god.
Oh wait, nevermind, his church changed god's will retroactively a couple decades ago.
He wouldn't know Anglo-Saxon if it hit him in the face.
racist doesn't mean what you think it does.
white guilt has clouded your 'thinking'....
please cite references for those assertions about what romney's church teaches and has done.
(dingleberries don't count.)
yeah, the Renaissance was neat.
but the Reformation is where the real progress occurred.
so, please list ANY nation that takes its inspiration from the Italians.
(we doubt even Italy does.....)
our national identity draws on many sources but the nation's cultural values during its formative and most successful years were based on Protestantism.
'based on' > 'draws on'
what other sources contributed a tenth as much as Protestantism?
in fact, the Italians have never even managed to create a successful nation of their own, let alone inform the cultural values of other nations.
@69: The Protestant Reformation was when real progress was made? Are you on meth?
Sure, it led to the rise of nationalism over religious solidarity, and established an early form of freedom of religion (so long as your religion was a form of Christianity). Are there any other positive results of the Reformation?
Because the Reformation led to sectarian violence wherever it spread, instigated massacres of local religious minorities, and culminated in an outbreak of civil wars, including the 30 Years' War, which killed off 25-30% of the population of geographical Germany. If that spells progress to you, you don't know how to spell.
@70: Pastafarianism contributed ten times as much as Protestantism to American culture.
See, Alleged, this is why you should cite your sources. Otherwise anyone can make shit up.
are there ever.....
The Reformation represented the greatest struggle for Truth and Knowledge in the history of Mankind.
For over a millennium the Whore enslaved and oppressed with Ignorance and Fear.
The masses were forbidden to study scripture or decide about religion or belief for themselves.
They were killed for possessing or reading the bible.
The were only allowed the papal version of things, fed to them by the clergy.
For only by denying the masses access to scripture for themselves could such intellectual crimes against humanity as the Nicene Creed be maintained.
The Reformation prompted the invention of printing and mass literacy, and thrived where they did.
Sure it was messy.
Overthrowing Tyranny and Oppression usually is.
You prefer the comfortable Ignorance and slavery of the Dark Ages?
The European nations that managed to overthrow the Beast went on to lead the Advance of Civilization.
Those who remained enslaved wallow in relative ignorance and mediocrity to this day.
Spain, which remained staunchly Catholic, retained its place a major imperial power until the early 1800s. So much for Catholic nations being doomed to "wallow in relative ignorance and mediocrity".
The Protestant Reformation was not an escape from the Dark Ages; they are, in fact, separated by some 200 years, a gap filled by the Renaissance.
You err also in crediting the Reformation with the widespread adoption of printing. The Reformation began in 1517, but hundreds of cities in Europe already had print shops by then. Luther's ideas did not spur the printing press revolution, but rather benefited from it. I'm seeing a definite pattern of you giving the Reformation credit for stuff that the Renaissance did.
So, yeah, you haven't shown how the Reformation deserves credit for today's advances. Thank you for playing.
I'm not Christian, so there's something I may be missing something, but what is your beef with the Nicene Creed? Wikipedia tells me that most Protestant denominations follow it, as well as the Catholic and Orthodox churches, and it seems a pretty innocuous testament of faith to me.
you get it without being willing to admit that you get it.
the Reformation is what resulted when the changes ushered in by the Renaissance were put into action.
when printing was available people printed bibles (and the desire for bibles spurred the development of printing)
a key tenet of protestantism was that every believer should read and understand scripture them self.
mass literacy.
self determination.
the Whore forbad people to own or read bibles,
told them what She wanted them to believe,
preached to them in a language they could not even understand.
the key tenet of catholicism was keeping believers ignorant and intellectually enslaved.
when and as people became able to read and decide for themselves they became protestants.
and the nations that adopted that philosophy went on to rule the world.
because enlightened thinking free people will win out over intellectually enslaved serfs.
and the reformation of religion is and was inextricably intertwined with the struggle for political and social freedom.
the history of modern Europe is the story of protestant peoples and nations throwing off the yoke of papism and becoming free.
and the story of America is that struggle reaching its natural conclusion in a new land where the protestant reforms could be fully enacted on a new blank national canvas.
there is a straight line from the Magna Carta to Gutenberg to Tyndale to the Spanish armada to the Pilgrims to Jefferson/Madison to American Exceptionalism.
sure, Spain had a period of glory.
based on looting and stealing.
not unlike Babylon.
but it left nothing behind when its ashes were blown into the dustbin of history but a legacy of ignorance and exploitation and unmet potential.
.
we are not 'christian' either.
but we can read.
and when people who claim to believe the bible also buy the creed we call BS.
(sort of like when people claim the bible endorses homosexuality....)
and anywhere that the Pope reigned
the benefits and advances of the Renaissance would be limited.
Copernicus and Galileo could discover
but the Pope would censor and ban and excommunicate and silence.
Until the English
broke the power
of the Pope and his stooge vassals in Spain
the only recourse Science had
was to impotently mutter "and yet it moves...." under its breath.
So, go ahead and show me your evidence (that's EVIDENCE, not blithering) supporting Protestantism as the driving force behind today's powers. I've read "The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism" by Max Weber from cover to cover; I fancy that I know perhaps a little more than you do.