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Quotes are very confusing. I think you left one out.
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Also, I am glad that is over.
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Carmen Ortiz: wasn't she the prosecutor who spearheaded the harassment of Aaron Schwartz?

It was hard for me to watch her tonight because I predict she will use this case to promote her political career. You can see that she was fairly orgasmic.

ick.

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if one could access all the cam footage from cop cars and vests you could conceivably patch together a compelling season of 24 [reality version]. combine that with web/media chatter.
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@3 Yeah, I think this is going to be like how we had to pretend that NYPD weren't violent, racist, scumbags after 9/11. Thank god the statute of limitations is finally up on that one.

Ortiz will probably use this to deflect all the criticism about prosecutorial overreach in the Schwartz case.
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notice the big news outlets attempts at social engineering; right now for instance msnbc has zero images of the scary looking older brother on their front page yet fox's front page is plastered with them.
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The likelihood of justice is dwindling. Bring out the torture devices.

"... we plan to invoke the public safety exception to Miranda in order to question the suspect extensively..." - http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/en…

"limited and focused unwarned interrogation and allows the government to introduce the statement as direct evidence" - http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201…

"Now that the suspect is in custody, the last thing we should want is for him to remain silent." - https://www.facebook.com/USSenatorLindse…

"The least of our worries is a criminal trial which will likely be held years from now." - https://www.facebook.com/USSenatorLindse…
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Good. Let's get back to kitten pictures and letters about piss drinkers.
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I'll bet 50 bucks he doesnt get the DP. In fact he eventually becomes a likable public figure. You can already see the narrative unfolding; the savage, brute of an older brother manipulated the poor, baby faced, everyman centrist into a state of temporary madness.
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@10 Is every moment just a fresh start for you?

I don't trust I'll ever know the full details of what went down over the last 24 hours, but I will give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who assumed that somebody involved in both a terrorist bombing earlier this week and the death of a police officer last night might be dangerous, no matter their age.
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Also, one isn't granted Miranda rights. Miranda rights are a fact of our legal system. They are stated out loud to someone under arrest so it can be positively affirmed that the suspect knew their rights when they spoke in custody. Not stating the rights is just stupid on behalf of the arresting officer since it potentially ties the hands of the prosecutor later.

But, Lindsay Graham isn't the only idiot in the government.
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@11. If Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is found guilty of all the counts against him in US Federal Court. (which has something like 90% plus conviction rate) Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be sentenced to death. The icing of Capital Murder case is the death of the University Police officer. An eight year old boy was murdered. The bombs were made to cause as much wounds as possible to bystanders, given they were packed with ball bearings and I think nails.

Back in the 1980s, the Federal Court would impose the harshest sentence that jurisdiction had to offer, (ie death penalty or no death penalty state) that was change that the Federal Court System is uniform to offer capital punishment as uniform no matter if the State like Massachusetts or Minnesota doesn't have a death penalty.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is an adult, he allegedly took part in a pre meditative bomb attack that killed three people. He is a suspect in the killing of a law enforcement officer. This is a no brainer of a death penalty case, if the allegations are true against him.
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Perspective: 30,000 people die every year in automobile accidents on U.S. highways (down from peak of 50K/yr in 1970's). That is more than 80 deaths per day. 25 *daily* marathon-bombers wouldn't top that number.
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I am not a conspiracy theroist, but, nothing adds up. A resident that owns a boat that is stored in their backyard notices blood on the tarp AFTER being let off of house arrest just 40 minutes before. Said owner then pulls tarp back and notices a bloody person in said boat. NO SHOT FIRED by bloody man. However, when police show up, there is an exchange of gunfire. If I was hiding in a boat under a tarp and I had been wounded, and after going through a gunfire hours before, when that tarp was turned back, I would have shot at anything to protect myself. REMEMBER, this is a mass murderer/injurerer of women andchildren just 4 days prior. And his brother was murdered hours before. No shot fired? But, when the cops show up there is gunfire? Also reported he and his brother robbed at gunpoint a 7-11 and then that is dismissed, but they killed an MIT campus cop just sitting in his car??? I just want to see the FBI tape that shows the younger suspect leaving the bomb on the sidewalk behind a child (as reported they have). THAT HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED YET... Perhaps these individuals FREAKED OUT when they were shown on National TV, billboards, etc, and were protecting themselves, knowing that being Muslim had already framed them as guilty. Not justifying anything- just questioning what we ( America) have on these men to show that they are indeed guilty of the Boston Marathon Bombing. I need to see the proof to feel that we did indeed get the right people and that the real criminals are still not at large.
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@13: By saying that they aren't reading the Miranda warning, they are really saying that they consider it a danger if the suspect knows his rights. In cases where the evidence is overwhelming, a suspect doesn't need to be Mirandized, but anything that person says can't be used against him or her. But if the police need an incriminating statement, using some BS Miranda exception to admit evidence is the equivalent of saying that the police couldn't get a conviction without an unlawfully obtained self-incriminating statement.

It appears that these terrorists have won. They have successfully infiltrated our political system to convince high ranking politicians that the fundamental rights guaranteed in our Constitution are optional.
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@13: that's on the assumption that he will receive a criminal trial with all those messy little things like "due process," "juries" and "habeus corpus." The administration made that mistake once with civilian trials - they won't make it again. Of course, this won't stop Paul from writing tearful appologias of the administration, and *just how conflicted he feels*.
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Fucking Carmen Ortiz. Can we get a district attorney with some integrity, please? This is too important a case for a hack like her.
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@16: "Your I'm not a conspiracy theorist but..." went the exact same way as every "I'm not a racist but..." ever uttered.
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"Perspective: 30,000 people die every year in automobile accidents on U.S. highways (down from peak of 50K/yr in 1970's). That is more than 80 deaths per day. 25 *daily* marathon-bombers wouldn't top that number."

That's the kind of nonsense that makes the looney left in America such a laughing stock. Comparing cars with terrorist murders. Fucking brilliant. Keep it up. Oh yeah, Bernie Sanders 2016!
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Here's what I want to know...according to almost every Tom Cruise movie, supercomputers are monitoring all electronic communication from a cavern in New Mexico and using lexical parsing and word match to pinpoint terrorist activity...so how come these guys didn't get red flagged?
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@11: that's assuming he doesn't go straight to Gitmo.
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Not Obama's best speech. Chock full of cliches, you can tell he wrote it spontaneously after many hours without much sleep. Given the circumstances, I'm glad he devoted his energy toward catching the guy, and not so much on wowing the crowd afterward.
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Those who question the official story are conspiracy theorists, but that's far better than mindlessly accepting official narratives without question no matter how irrational or contradictory the official narrative might be.
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President Obama understates, but he assures us that we'll pull through as "one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."


What happened to "under God???"
Obama hates God! Hates America! Hates Freedom! Hates Puppies!
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Whenever I want breaking coverage, I turn to Senior Cocksucker Paul Constant and his exclusive access to Twitter.
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I think that when we learn what the SUV driver whose car was hijacked heard/saw, we'll know a lot more about the two brothers. It is interesting that they did not kill that man, and suggests perhaps some conversation happened about killing?
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@17, but the "City Wide Lock Down" worked! See...there are times when a little touch of martial law works! I'd expect to see more of these in the future.

We're so fucked we don't even know it yet.

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God, you guys are hilarious.
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29.
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#14: There is credible evidence that a young person's frontal lobe does not have the mature structures that someone does at the age of 25 or 26.

This WILL be a main point of his defense.

The Supreme Court in 2005 (Roper v Simmons) determined that young people will not receive the death penalty, no matter how heinous the crime, based on this brain research.

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32,

"Roper v. Simmons, 543 U.S. 551 (2005), was a decision in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that it is unconstitutional to impose capital punishment for crimes committed while under the age of 18. The 5-4 decision overruled the Court's prior ruling upholding such sentences on offenders above or at the age of 16, in Stanford v. Kentucky, 492 U.S. 361 (1989), overturning statutes in 25 states that had the penalty set lower."

He's over 16. Roper V. Simmons will not save him
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@27, No, he did say "under God". Thank God!

See the White House video at 6:36.
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Oops, I meant @26. But Karlheinz was referring to Paul Contant's intentional misquoting in his last paragraph.

Shame on you Paul. If you don't like the last line of the national anthem that's your prerogative and you can write your representatives to have it changed back, as "under God" was added in the early 1950's. But don't misquote your beloved president, that's childish and after all, isn't your credibility important to your readers no matter what your dispositions are?

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hello, there are exceptions to miranda, they are well settled, they apply not just to intl terrorist cases but to any case; like if the cops suspect the guy they just caught has a kidnapped kid hidden somewhere...hello, they can ask the guy where is the kid before stopping to mirandize the suspect. there are other exceptions too. while we should be concerned about rights, this is not a case where the info available indicates any lessening of the rights we have. so this is unlike the torture issue where basically all of us almost have decided to give obama a pass on NOT PROSECUTING KNOWN TORTURERS thus making our government more like that of rios mont and other monsters.

@16 you are the defense lawyers' dream juror......they only need one.....

expect a deal in which the kid gets life in exchange for fingering accomplices and telling all.
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I bet this kid's got one hell of a set of extenuating circumstances.

I bet he's also got quite a bit of useful information the prosecutors want to hear.

I can't wait to hear what he's going to say.
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@35: The last line of your national anthem is "O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?," is it not? Obama was quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
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@39: Thank you
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@32

I don't disagree with you that research shows Juveniles have lack certain reasoning skills that adult possess, and it tied to brain development.

However, given the criminal charges that are going to be filed against him, the notoriety/infamy of the crime, the constant use of deadly force, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be executed if he is convicted of all counts in a Federal Criminal Court Trial.

His defense may used some last ditch defenses, as he was brainwashed by his brother, he was a gullible accomplice, he wasn't connected to specific crime scenes etc. etc. However, the crimes are so wide range, and what will sealed it, will be the premeditation part of the crimes.

Even if the evidence about the bombing was hypothetically thrown out of court, Dzhokhar allegedly committed an armed robbery and which he was fleeing when he was at the scene of the murder of a law enforcement officer. That is an automatic Capital Case right there.

He is not a juvenile, he is by all legal definitions an adult, there are little to no legal qualms to sentenced him to death.

Much of the reason for sentencing him to death if he is convicted of the alleged crimes, will be intent of the crimes. He and his brother allegedly made bombs to cause as much maiming and death as possible, they placed them in crowded areas. There is not going to be much sympathy for him, if there is overwhelming evidence that he did these crimes. (They are still very serious allegations in my book at this moment, even though there is prima facie evidence to show a how he is connected to these crimes)
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@13 But, Lindsay Graham isn't the only idiot in the government.

Indeed, when it comes to due process and people suspected of terrorism, Obama agrees with Graham 100%.
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@24, how much energy do you think Obama "devoted toward catching the guy?"
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@41 - Life in prison. I'll bet you the beer Eric Arrr owes me.
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@ 41, if Terry Nichols can be tried twice, and get only life when death was sought each time, it can happen to this kid, too.
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@45

Terry Nichols helped mixed the high octane fuel and fertilizer to put the bomb together, as much as he was culpable, he was found guilty of many counts of second degree murder if i remember correctly. If Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is found guilty of all the counts that will be filed against him. it is most likely he will get the death penalty. He placed the bomb in the crowded area, knowing it was going to go off. Dzhokhar is in different position in the eyes of the law than Terry Nichols.
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@10 One of the most misguided web comments I've ever read.

@12 Thank you for stepping in and talking him to school.

@13 Yeah, I've always thought if a criminal was too stupid to know about their Miranda rights without being reminded, they deserve the harshest punishment. Have they NEVER watched a cop show in their lives?? Every eight year old knows.......you confess to breaking the lamp by playing football in the house, you sure as hell are going to get punished.

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