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Sort of like Zimmerman claiming Martin attacked him.

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I'm sorry, how is the gay marriage issue moot? Gays can't marry in 37 states, including mine. We'll be working our butts off in the next year in Oregon to get it done in the 2014 election. It's very much not moot from my point of view.

I won't see the film (at least not in the theater...), which is kind of a bummer because I did like the book, and it seems like the sort of thing that might even be better one screen than on the page.
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He thinks that equality and justice issues did not exist in 1984? He doesn't remember that Old Great Grampa Brigham faced major league discrimination back in the day? That things weren't "fair" for Mormons? And now he and his church are tolerated (when they keep their noses out of politics)?

An ignorant bigot.
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Orson Scott Victim Card
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I wish people knew what Tolerance meant.
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"political issues that did not exist when the book was written in 1984."

Uhhhh? Yes they did, but assholes like you, Card, were keeping them from being widely talked about. Fucking asshole.
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He is a part of the old vanguard, and their views are becoming irrelevant. Good art can come from people with bad views. I will continue to read his books, and see movies based on them. Enders game is an excellent piece of sci-fi.
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@6: Maybe it is just because no one ever has, or will care about anything you comment on. The only reason I read your comment was because it was not full of ridiculous formatting that clued me into its tinfoil hat wearing author.

Ever consider that?
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I was torn about the boycott, since I, too, loved the book and have wanted to see it in film ever since.

And, I've gone toe-to-toe with Mr. Victim Card (h/t @4) in online forums for many years. I extricated myself from his tribe long ago.

But, now, I've decided at the very least, I'll wait till this movie is streaming on Netflix where I won't have to pay extra to see it.
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Andrew Sullivan made the same point this past Sunday on Fareed Zakaria's show GPS:

ZAKARIA: You want to be tolerant of their intolerance?

SULLIVAN: Yes. Because I think in the end that's the only way to solve it. I mean I'm a Christian. I really believe in the end on this matter. You up the ante and start calling them bigots and trying to coerce them, you're as bad as they were to us. And we must never do that.
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Is this about boycotting as a means of changing objectionable behavior, or boycotting as a means of punishing objectionable views?
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Cry me a river, asshat.

Tolerance is me not beating the fuck out of Card for spending the last quarter of a century advocating against any and all civil rights for gay people. Tolerance is me allowing him to speak his mind, no matter how repugnant his words.

Tolerance in no way requires me to spend money on a movie to line his bigoted pockets.

Fuck off, crybaby.
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Oh, Orson. There's "tolerance" (which means "put up with," as in "I have to put up with hateful religious twats who hate my friends for something that isn't immoral") and then there's what you're talking about, which isn't "tolerance" but "leaving you free to not suffer the consequences of your hate."

Orson, to an extent I can't help the fact that some of the money I spend will go to causes that I oppose. People (whether they're artists, CEO's, corporate drones, retirees living on Social Security, all of whom get at least a few of my pennies) will spend it how they see fit, including political and social causes I oppose.

But most of them aren't spouting off from a platform built on their popularity or success. You are. You've been doing it for decades. Are you getting a little bit of the sads because some of the attention you've drawn is negative? Or is it more because you're sensing that it's a lost cause, that you're now likely to be regarded as out of place and out of step with American values as the racists were? You sound resigned to the inevitability of same sex marriage, as most of your compatriots have become over the last couple of years. Are you worried about how you're going to look now?
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So the guy who has publicly stated that he believes sodomy laws should stay on the books and that gay marriage might necessitate a revolution wants the gays to be nice to him?

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His response to the boycott sold me on the boycott.
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For what it's worth, I DO think it's preferable to not really grind people's noses into the dirt on an issue where they've lost. Not because they're not wrong- they are super, super wrong- but because grumbling, vengeance-filled defeated enemies are more of a pain in the ass than ass-covering, increasingly quiet defeated enemies. So you help the losers back onto their feet even though they were completely wrong and will continue being wrong until they are too embarrassed to hold their point and start pretending it was never what they meant.

All of which doesn't apply until you've actually won, which we haven't, so carry on. It'll be a bad movie because it'll tell the wrong story, anyhow.
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"Ender’s Game is set more than a century in the future and has nothing to do with political issues that did not exist when the book was written in 1984."

The Stonewall Riots - 1969.
Homosexuality removed from the DSM II - 1974.
Harvey Milk - shot 1978.
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Because "claiming persecution" is a pillar of every box office smash's marketing plan.
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This issue is not moot. I personally spent a lot of money and time just last year - I fucking phone banked! - fighting for simple equal rights in this state. Even with that hard fought victory and the recent DOMA ruling, if I were to get married it would still cease to exist if I move to any neighboring state.

Orson Scott's Card's allies in Indiana sure as hell don't find the issue moot.

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@21, also, Baker v. Nelson -- a gay marriage court challenge that started in Minnesota in 1970.
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I wonder if people had to "tolerate" people who opposed the Supreme Court Decision on Brown vs. Board of Education. Can you imagine people asking to respect their opposing opinion on that?
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Pirate the fucking movie. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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Or just buy a ticket to World War X or whatever stupid Jerry Bruckheimer movie is playing next door and slide into Orson's Game. Kick back and enjoy the snow.

If that's your thing, I mean. Personally, I'd rather sit thru twelve hours of baton twirling talent competition in the Miss Lewis County pageant.
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Orson, your pissy non-apology just convinced me, and not in your favor. There are great box office movies aplenty this summer, including plenty of other great sci-fi movies to boot, that I now feel totally justified in skipping this one.
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I'd point out that Mormon sexual politics is a minor theme in Ender's Game. Ender originally faced persecution as a third child in a world where most families were only permitted two. He's bullied at school as a "third turd" IIRC.

Card's weak attempt to claim that his books had nothing to do with contemporary sexual issues is a lie: the book still pushes the Mormon view that large families should be encouraged.

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