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The reason she got 20 years is Florida's 10-20-life law. 20 years is the mandatory minimum if you discharge the gun during a felony. It is a harsh sentence, dare I say bullshit sentence, but that is the fault of the legislature, not the judge.
If any of you ever watched crime show dramas like 48 Hours Mystery, you know that juries can now convict with the thinnest of evidence. Sometimes nothing at all.
If a person has the motive, and is circumstantially involved, and there is no other reasonable explanation, that is often enough for a killer to be sent to prison.
Zimmerman sat in his car for weeks looking for a black kid to kill. His own 911 record shows this (he reported an 8 year old!)
I would have not focused on the night in question at all. The only result of that was a kid was killed. The reason for this premeditated murder was set in motion once the psychopath got a copy of Stand Your Ground and figured out he could murder with impunity.
Both he and the son recanted their testimony in between her being charged and the trial date, but then changed back to their original story.
Yes, we know it was the same prosecutor. That's part of why it's so aggravating.
1) Having grown up in Canada, lived in South American and now living and working in the U.S. south, I find Americans less racist than our neighbours to the north and south. Still waiting for that multicultural utopia back north to elect their first aboriginal/female/colored Prime Minister.
2) I haven't spoken to one single licensed attorney in the state of Florida who thought the state put on evidence to support a conviction for murder or manslaughter. Not one. This is a typical problem in trials: you have have no way of disproving the defendant's story because he/she has a right to not testify. And they are presumed innocent. See e.g. Casey Anthony.
Not everything is about race. I am dissapointed Dan Savage got baited into this false black/white narrative.
That's because it wasn't manslaugher and what happened on the night in question didn't matter. The killing was set up months in advance.
Zimmerman prepared for this day. His own report to the police proves beyond a doubt that he was thinking ahead to the moment when he could kill someone and have his story down so he could get away with it.
He sat in his car, night after night, waiting for the right victim.
Then he stalked.
Then he slayed.
Murder one.
Premeditated.
@7 is right though, her case is more about mandatory sentencing.
@3 - If my abusive ex partner was in my house with my kids, I would call the police, THEN go get a weapon and do whatever I had to to remove the asshole. She's not a dumb bitch, she's a fucking parent.Further, not taking a plea because you want to retain custody of your children is pretty fucking understandable. You should try looking at her as a human being rather than as a 'dumb bitch'.
In Florida, apparently if someone is threatening you and believes you won't shoot your gun, the only legal option is to shoot them. That's pretty messed up.
Yes, the U.S. has a huge fucking gun problem, and if this case is about anything, it's about the fact that a routine altercation between two people turns deadly because one of them is carrying concealed. In Canada, this probably ends up with Zimmerman in the hospital with stitches and Martin, at worst, serving probation for assault.
tell me what in florida law of self defense you would change, or jury selection, or beyond reasonable doubt.
right now, you can have an all white all female jury. you can have two people fighting each one in reas. fear of life so if either one shot first -- it's okay. the wild fucking west is what florida law allows. and you require unanimous juries for a reason, if you want to change that own up to it.
underneath all this the issue is gun control. why should ordinary citizens have this lethal force? throughout history, men get into fights. now, since so many are armed, thank you nra and gun nuts, EVERY altercation presents a "reasonable fear of deadly force" justifying shoot to kill. or we change the self defense law to say you can't use a weapon any greater than the one being used against you; but then it means a person of 100 pounds fighting a pummeler of 250 pounds can't pull out a gun. even if the races or genders are setup in a way we don't like.
another change might be a stricter definition of "reasonable" as in "if you are the aggressor initiating physical contact in a manner that is an assault, you cannot then claim to perceive acts of resistance as the ones creating reasonable fear of great bodily harm" or something. or, "if retreat is an option you have to use it."
the reason criminal trials don't work so well in regulating us has to do with jury standards and burden of proof and the laborious ness of it all esp. where usually one key witness is gone; the real solution is to almost totally ban handguns and limit then to a tiny percentage who truly need them under standards that would exclude people like Zimmerman with a record of .....overeager profiling. we just can't criminalize and litigate all of the 30K shootings a year enough to find guilty then count on deterrence; we need societal level of deterrence aka arms controls so basically only cops are allowed to have guns, and criminals, so that the mere fact one person has a gun means They're the criminal justifying the use of fists if they stalk you. They're carrying while committing a crime of stalking or assaulting. let anyone have a gun and this clear marker is lost.
In Florida, kill the witnesses. Oh and be white.
The American prosecutorial system is out of control.
So is it OK to be fine with having Ms. Alexander charged with assault in this case, but not OK with the sentence?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/89763280/Order…
And (maybe off topic but I'm done with these threads after this) if anyone is still claiming that "stand your ground" had nothing to do with the Martin case, it's in the jury instructions (second blockquote):
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arch…
so, it's in the case.
But it's funny that gun-phobes who don't think children should be permitted to bring a plastic gun toy, or even a picture of a gun, to school are suddenly 100% OK, boy howdy, you go girl! with someone firing a gun in the direction of her own children in their home.
Put simply, if we have a system set up to stop Stan from discriminating against Achmed, or Bob from discriminating against Sally, will it protect Jane against Ming, (or Ming against Jane)? Will it protect Rajesh against Ms. Seo-Yeon who used to be Mr. Kim, or vice-versa? There are a few straws in the wind already and there may worse down the way. Of course, the industry might resolve the problem by hyper-bureaucratizing against the traditional targets: we are seeing a trend in Ontario were employers who are in full compliance with human rights legislation are being raked over the coals by the OHR Tribunal over the way that they are in compliance. If you, say, Rajesh v. Ming doesn't fit your ideological frame then you can just double down on Stan, which is what seems to be happening. And that way backlashes lie.
She went to her ex's house. Her ex did make a threatening statement. She left the house, got a gun from the car, came back to the house and shot at him while he had his hands up, surrendering and begging her not to shoot. There were two eyewitnesses (her stepsons). So no, maybe she doesn't deserve twenty years for not killing anyone, but neither is she an innocent woman who was failed by a hypocritical system for heroically fending off an unprovoked attack by an abusive man.
This isn't to say that George Zimmerman doesn't have even less justification than Alexander. It's to say that Alexander doesn't fit the narrative that's being built around her.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2…
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5…
People are bent over the sentencing disparity. As seen in cases like the Arlington cop, whose 3-year-old found dad's gun and killed his 8 year old sister with it.
No sentence.
Man shoots and kills another man, gets off.
Woman shoots and doesn't kill anyone, 20 years.
You okay with that?
Of Canada's ten provinces five have female premiers, including the four most important ones : Ontario, BC, Alberta and Quebec. Of those five premiers, four were "elected" to the position in elections. [In Canada, there is no direct election for prime ministers or premiers. Parties elect leaders, and then people vote for their local MPs; the party leader with a majority of MPs (or a supportable minority) gets to be the premier.] FWIW, Ontario's premier Kathleen Wynne is an out lesbian; the only notable thing about her orientation is that the media trying to make it a topic of conversation and the general public (including social conservatives) didn't seem to give a shit about her sexuality, which is the best kind of progress.
And now you know!
To flip this, I've seen conservative gun owners on other forums who are all hot for the idea of "jury nullification" of gun laws they don't like. I wonder how they'd like juries nullifying mandatory sentencing law cases generally?
@23: Ophian, darling, where have you been?
Anybody arguing that Alexander deserves twenty years in prison- or should have taken three as if that's reasonable- is a goddamned fool. That is all.
Thank You Susananswerphone, May 1, 2013
"Chuckie Guevara is sort of right. It's all about race in the sense that it's about political correctness. There's always news black outs for events that might hurt the feelings of blacks. Anything that examines their malignant ghetto culture (baby mamas, drop out rates, incarceration rates) must be suppressed to avoid be called a racist. This paper is no different. Goldy recently claimed that these gang shootings weren't included in the definition of mass shootings even though they amount to the majority of all gun violence. The news black out comes from the left not the right."
"@Renata if you want some of that power and privilege all you need to do is quit with the illegitimate kids, stay in school, and stay out of jail. Tell all your homies to do the same. Problem solved. Yo. "
Thank You Susananswerphone, May 18, 2013
Just following through, since your activity is hidden. Have a good one.
What was yours?
I'm sure there are other places on the web like this one, but I don't know of any personally.
Oh and good on you lolohorne for documenting Susan's shit. She's just vile.