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That's because this was Murder One, not second degree or manslaughter.

Zimmerman planned, stalked and slayed a kid.

His 911 record shows that he was profiling weeks in advance, waiting for the right victim.

This was not a "heat of the moment" attack.

Zimmerman was looking for the right victim and he found him.
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I find it kind of troubling that they went all the way to deliberation without a close examination/understanding of the law.
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So when is the Florida legislature going to repeal it?

Oh that's right, they're not. Young black kids being murdered, obviously it's working as intended.
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jenteal is the only one who could give insight into martin's thoughts at the time. if she said what she said and it was obvious she didn't want to be there, then she was telling the truth.

martin thought he was being followed. he was right. what about his right to SYG?

Little Man with a Gun in His Hand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTVl_2ENT…
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@2: jurors are sent into deliberation with specific legal instructions on the counts before them.

From what I've read, it looks to me more of a matter of systematically believing the testimony of white witnesses while discounting that of black witnesses. The juror said there was no discussion of race during deliberation. If everyone on the jury shared the same implicit racist assumptions, they wouldn't need (or want) to talk about it. They simply put the victim on trial and believed what the white Florida detective told them, that he thought Zimmerman was telling the truth. Gosh that was easy, wasn't it? The police don't lie, do they? The fact that the police wouldn't arrest Zimmerman for weeks only goes to show that they thought he was telling the truth.

Even after Zimmerman lied through his teeth to hide his assets to make bail.
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Jury nullification.
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I thought in our system juries answer questions of fact and judges answer questions of law. Apparently not in Florida where juries are expected to be judges too, or they unilaterally decide to take on that role.
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@7-That's not a special Florida thing, that's how juries everywhere work: they're given instructions that lay out the elements of the offense(s), and they have to decide if the evidence before them constitutes proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant committed the offense as defined.
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BS on Florida law- the judge failed to provide the 1st Aggressor instruction, which essentially informs the jury that self-defense is negated if the person claiming self defense created the situation requiring use of force.

It's in the law, the State asked for the instruction, the defense postured and claimed it would be error because 1st aggressor is inappropriate unless it was proven that defendant used or threatened force first, court didn't give instruction. The jury was not allowed to decide the case based upon the actual law. I blame the State, to a large extent, for not being more prepared to argue what was, of course, the crux of the case.
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@3: Stop projecting.
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I think it is telling that Juror B27, or whatever her number was, is married to an attorney. Had a book deal lined up within days of the verdict. And somehow got on that jury. She didn't have preconceived notions? She and her husband never discussed this case in the months leading up to the trial? She had a CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT in the past????

Bullshit.
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@10, he's not projecting anything, he's being accurate. The purpose of SYG is to allow the easy killing of black males, which has been the dominant method of handling them throughout almost all of American history. In Florida, it's the return of Jim Crow.

Isn't it fun for you to be part of such a national movement?
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It's fun to read all the pissing and moaning by the usual bedwetters.
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@14 - Complaining and being outraged over the sanctioned slaughter of young blacks = "pissing and moaning" by "bedwetters."

That's the soul of the modern conservative right there folks.
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@2: that is fine. The jury first hears all the statements and evidence, then receives instruction on the precise. Language of the law. The idea is that they go in to deliberations and discuss and have a chance to examine evidence. That's what deliberations are for.
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@15, would we call you the bedwetter's bedwetter? Your thug friend Trayvon had it coming. If he pulled that stunt in Seattle and was killed, the prosecutor would wind up not only losing the case but the state would have to pay for Zimmerman's laywer.

Trayvon Martin was a thug who picked the wrong victim for a beat down.
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@4, is this the same jenteal who contradicted herself literally within seconds while testifying? That girl was completely incapable of telling the truth about a single thing.
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I rest my case.
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Dont be too hard on the bigot noicons/misterg, he's only 12....
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Rest your case, Pridge, but the jury found Zimmerman not guilty, and I'm laughing at you and your kind.
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Agreeing with the verdict doesnt make you a bigot. I vote dem, lean left but this case was fucked from the start. The state did not have enough to convict Zimmerman, if they did it would have been done, stop painting all 6 women jurors as card carrying members of the KKK
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Thank you, @9, for the concise refutation of the nauseatingly common claim that the jury was "obliged to acquit" under Florida law.

I'm still feeling furious at the prosecution for botching the voir dire so badly, and for failing to unrelentingly object to jury instructions so riddled with omission and misdirection.

But the idea that "the law" placed Zimmerman's course of instigation, escalation, and deadly force beyond the reach of conviction is some profoundly misinformed bullshit.
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@21 - Keep laughing! Laugh louder! Laugh to everyone! The more people who see it, the better.

Also, I imagine you look something like this:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma2ozg…

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The jury could have voted to convict and damn the law. Nullification is always an option no matter what the jury's instructions say.
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@22, but if the bedwetters of the Slog didn't foam at the mouth about "racism," then they couldn't get their daily fix of self-esteem they so badly need! Just imagine if they had to evaluate the facts. They'd fall apart.
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@26 - You were just dying to say "progressives" instead of bedwetters weren't you?
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But I'm a progressive. No, I mean to say "bedwetters."
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@27: I keep hoping for "fuckwit" to pop out again.

Look Mister G/Unbrainwashed/Noicons, no one is going to believe you are different people if you keep saying the same exact shit. You need to realize that not everyone is as stupid as you are. But I guess that is just part of being really stupid.
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@29, do you have the vapors or something?
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Nothing prevented these jurors from finding George Zimmerman guilty of manslaughter except their adherence to social conditioning.

They played their learned role as good, little suburbanites.

Juries need to learn that while their verdicts may be appealed and even overturned, they are well within their power to find a killer guilty - the fucking law be damned.
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@28 - You're a progressive? Uh huh, then Rodney Tom's a Democrat.

@29 - Have you noticed that it's very fond of the three syllable names? Mis-ter-G, Un-brain-washed, and now No-i-cons.
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Juries need to learn that while their verdicts may be appealed and even overturned, they are well within their power to find a killer guilty - the fucking law be damned.

Yep, that what it comes down to for the lunatics of the far left and the far right: "the fucking law be damned." Sarah Palin, if your run for Senate fizzles out, come to Seattle. Change a few words, and the bedwetters will love ya, babe. No need for facts, logic, or law. The fucking law be damned.
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Little One,

Law is not about right and wrong.

Law is not about justice.

Law is about who will and who will not have power.

Whom shall you serve?

Study to show yourself worthy, and we may speak again.
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@34, if so, then: You don't have the power, so fuck you. Is that direct enough?
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Little One,

When you do not know,
you cling desperately to belief.

When you no longer trust yourself,
you turn to authority.

The pursuit of control leaves you powerless.

Study, Little One, study.
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@36, I cling to facts. Trayvon Martin attacked an armed man. He deserved what he got.
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Struggle, Little One, struggle.
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@38, no struggle here. In fact, they wrote a song a long time ago that anticipated the dead thug, Trayvon Martin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPXnoLAEU…

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So many days turned to nothing, Little One,
so short your journey.

You are Trayvon Martin.

You are George Zimmerman.

You killed yourself.
You struggle.

Let go, Little One, or struggle.

The water flows.
The stone struggles.
The water flows.
The stone lets go.
The water flows.

Little steps, Little One, little steps.
Return to your journey.
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@9 @23 -- Correct. If some of the jurors thought he was guilty, but couldn't figure out why stalking, initiating a conflict and killing a guy was against the law, then the prosecution did a very poor job of explaining the law.
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@41, it was your hero, the vicious thug Trayvon Martin, who bought the farm as the end result of "initiating a conflict" with an armed man, George Zimmerman. Tell your thug buddies to be more careful next time. People who pull stunts like Trayvon Martin's deserve what they get.

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