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So, the evidence was that he was not guilty. Good thing our justice system isn't based on ~feelings.
GET THE FUCK OUT.
The notion that the jury was obligated to find Zimmerman not culpable under the law is a wholesale fabrication of gun nuts, right-wingers, and racists. We need to stop giving it credence.
Or maybe next Tuesday ... whichever comes next.
Shhhh
The Stranger is trying really hard to ignore any news stories that don't fit their narrative. In their minds Zimmerman, the jury, the judge and prosecution and the legislature that wrote SYG laws all belong to the same KKK chapter and all own AK47s.
Don't confuse the children!
Martin was on his own private property...as much as if he were in the shared living room where both Zimmerman and Martin were sharing an apartment.
The minute Zimmerman left his car to pursue Martin with a gun, a crime was set in motion.
This jury was poorly instructed -- or just plain stupid -- and the prosecution did its best to make Martin look like the perpetrator!
This has to be declared a mistrial.
I know, but the federal government won't let them explicitly say it's only legal to murder blacks. They have to leave that to Florida's education system, criminal justice system, news media, and assorted local racists to ensure any uniformed resident is aware the law is for killing blacks. And it's apparently working.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/…
this is an instance where the law and the words "reasonable doubt" allowed a vigilante/1st degree manslaughterer to walk away.
http://jezebel.com/zimmerman-prosecutor-…
Yes, those people would love for this to all go away. You know who doesn't? People who want the opposite of what those people want. Go cry your crocodile tears elsewhere sycophant.
Perhaps you should take a look at who is REALLY murdering black kids
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri…]
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri…
Protip:
It is not the Neighborhood Watch or white-hispanics.
Now kindly go spout your racism somewhere else.
@29: It's always racism, reverse or otherwise, when someone liberal says something about race that makes conservatives feel bad in their warm and gooey places. Rolling my gay black bed-wetting liberal eyes at your butthurt.
@29 - http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpc73v…
You're not In Seattle right? I thought I remember reading that. If so thats too bad, the city would be lucky to have you (and I'd be offering to smoke you out sometime).
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/14…
This case is moot. Civil or federal litigation is possibly next, but let's at least begin to talk in terms of that legal context. Because that's what matters.
I'm sorry, maybe it's just me, but I think that all these full-throttle laser beams of various agendas on this case will not be constructive in the long run.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mapms6…
An unarmed teenager, minding his business, with no story of bad behaviour, was hunted down and murdered by a grown armed man, looking for trouble (that's what being a vigilante is). The man was from a higher social class.The man was not charged with anything, then was relunctantly charged, and found not guilty.
How can a country, where such things are allowed to happen, keep on claiming that its justice is blind to social class differences, and that it is "the leader of the free world" ? Most people (Americans are such a small part of the world population) could not care less that Florida is not representative of all the US. No protest equates "all of the US is happy about its having racist judicial procedures". And that's dangerous. Do you want the image of the US abroad to be "they are hypocritical callous killers, who even kill their own black people" ? Because I can assure you Bush junior's horrible wars and tortures have given a lot of credence to the "hypocritical callous killers" angle. That angle's end result : terrorism.
The US have never been a fine place to be black, and now it's a worse and worse place to be a woman too. At this point It's either protest until blatant injustices are resolved, and fascist politicians are removed from office, or abandon your country to fascism.
When I read about politics in the US, I'm scared for everybody I know and respect there. I feel like telling them to leave that wretched place, and come to Europe to find less danger in the streets, less injustice in the courts, and live a longer, happier life - and watch from afar the US follow on its path to fascism (what you call far-right is fascism) and then tank. But protesting is better.
The US brand of fascism, promoted by the rich, by the religious, and by the "white elderly males", has a real hold on your country. Your elections are not even free anymore (have they ever been ?) : non-whites have less access to vote, and voting is rigged by machine voting.
So regardless of the individuals involved, at this time citizens have either the choice to protest every injustice, or to flee abroad.
Your hero Trayvon Martin was a thug, but more importantly he was a criminal. And now he's a dead criminal thug. Which is a permanent state of affairs. If you don't like it, too fucking bad. Now go tell your thug friends that they'd better be goddamned careful next time, because if they attack an armed man they might be killed over it.
Trayvon Martin had it coming.
Jesus, you are tiresome. A relaxed, satisfied mind and a range of vocabulary would lively up the angry, racist, stupid yet condescending, and- worst of all at this point- REPETITIVE bullshit you post. You're about a snifter of bourbon and a manic episode away from ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES JACK A DULL BOY... but then you'd just be crazy instead of an asshole with too much time on his hands and the mistaken belief that posting the same dumb shit over and over makes him a crusader for the truth instead of a nerve-shredding troll. And as much as I'd like to believe- for the sake of humanity- that this uncontrolled Tourette's-like barking of yours is a preexisting condition, I know in my heart this is just your own personal failing.
So fuck you. I judge not by the color of someone's skin, but by the content of their character. Your hero, the young thug Trayvon Martin, picked the wrong man to assault, and paid for it with his life. Harsh, yes. But Trayvon Martin had it coming. Now run along and worry about the thousands of black men who were murdered by other black men since your hero-thug decided to run a beat-down on the wrong victim.
Think you've made me feel guilty? Think again, idiot. Being black is no longer an automatic sympathy card in Seattle or anywhere else.
P.S.
And did you quote MLK? Motherfucker, PLEASE.
Now that we're having one of those honest chats about race in America, could you explain why black men commit 50% of the murders when they comprise 6.5% of the population?
You are having an argument with the dim-witted voices inside your own head. We're not chatting about anything except your obliviousness to your own batshit bigotry. I don't want you to be scared; I don't care what you feel about me at all. I have already said more to you than I ever had any inclination to. Nothing productive will come of this, so why don't you find someone who will buy your "shock and awe" racist bullshit as some kind of unalloyed truth-telling? I suggest taking an informal poll as to who watches Fox News and go from there. At least then no one would have to be witness to you trying to act "hard" and "down", what with your insane and insanely awkward "put/run a beat-down" and "uncle tom motherfucker" turns of phrase. Nothing sadder than a racist secretly harboring an attraction to those he derides. Hey, you're not related to Strom Thurmond, are you?
In all seriousness, go away little man.
And with that as a background, do you believe that the law could be used to kill black people (like Martin) by encouraging escalated usage of force (ie, murder) while simultaneously denying that same race of people the same leniency for murder if the situations were reversed?
If you had been black and the cop white, and given your aggressive and confrontational nature, and noting that the chance for such an event increases greatly in such a scenario, would you have still "had it coming" if you had ended up shot dead instead?
@noicons: I'm going to give you the same advice I gave Seattleblues. You need to dial it back a little. If you present too much like a racist cartoon character, readers will write you off as just stupid, or loony, and you'll end up like poor Sgt. Doom; all sound and fury and read by nobody.
Remember! If you're too outrageous, you outrage no one. Or you get banned.
It is a delicate balance.
Pridge: If it's a talking point Noicons introduced, he's got nuttin'. The silence after 62-68 proves the full extent of the nuttin', and I commend you.
Noicons: When arguing with a woman, if she makes a point and all you have to say in retort is "You're a bitch", you lost. Badly. Just sayin'.
When arguing with a gay man, if he makes a point and all you have to say in retort is "You're a bitch, too", you lost. Badly. Just sayin'.
Damn, man, you just keep missing the point, even when the punchline is you. Which is not unusual, but are you really getting anything out of this at this point?
1) Semi-innocuous but offensive talking point as told by Fox News (or equivalent)
2) As the narrative in the comment thread evolves, bring in additional "data" from RedState and The Blaze
3) As Noicons' talking points are demolished, bring in racist bleating from Breitbart and Stormfront.
4) When Noicons find itself isolated but determined to have the last word, start spitting out one liner personal insults.
5) MUST HAVE LAST WORD.
At some point I assume it ends up in a puddle of it's own tears and piss, sobbing because it realizes that a female dog is higher on the evolutionary ladder than it can ever hope to be.
What a crock of bullshit.
Good to see you back, I like the new icon! So do we let it have the last word? I think we've covered near everything that'd need to be said if a random stranger wandered in here and surveyed the debate.
This is the pathetic little whiner who has called me:a "racist" over and over. I especially liked "terrified racist maniacal bigot" in Pridge's post #49, and his use of "it" in recent posts to signify that those he disagrees with are not human. Kumbaya, ya hypocritical yet oh-so-typical Seattle fuckwad liberal. And then you wonder why so many people despise your kind?
Second and third sentences: caricatures and outright lies.
Gibe moni plos.
When I got to work, I explained what happened to the foreman, who laughed it off. As for your question in #65, blacks commit a far greater percentage of the violent crimes than their proportion of the population. If they don't want to be disproportionately imprisoned, they should start by behaving.
If I felt "trapped by my identity", I probably wouldn't cop to it since remaining wholly anonymous would be the easiest thing to do in this forum. I'm quite comfortable with it, as well as my own mind; being black and gay does not compel me to take up certain political positions- I came to those on my own. So keep your pity and your condescension: I don't feel like a stranger in a strange land, I feel like a gay black man talking to an asshole. See, I can take facts and circumstances as they come!
Pridge is a typical liberal Seattle type: Absolutely cannot take it when someone calls out his bullshit. He's a whining little bitch. Looks like one too, at least if that's his picture. I hope the dude he blows likes him, anyway. Hey lolorhone, does Pridge do ya like you like it? Hope so. There's someone for everyone, and you seem well matched. You can talk civil rights in between squirts.
Good to be back. The icon is the physical CD image from PJ Harvey's Let England Shake- Harvey happens to be my favorite musician. As for Noicons, I felt I should address his notion of my identity politics (he doesn't seem to get that gross assumption is one of the fundamentals of bigotry) but w/r/t the Martin debate, we both know he can't proceed without the same endlessly repeated bullshit (he was a thug! he had it coming! he was your hero! you and your thug friends better watch out! I'm foaming at the mouth! Get to thuh choppa!! AAAARGH!!!). He never had a point, so I say we say something if we feel like it but, in reality, we won the minute he starting typing.
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"And as much as I'd like to believe- for the sake of humanity- that this uncontrolled Tourette's-like barking of yours is a preexisting condition, I know in my heart this is just your own personal failing."
Yeah, pretty much that covers it.
Don't forget, I've also said you hurt your dick masturbating to dead black teenagers.
You've done nothing tho suggest anything that I've said and/or implied about you is incorrect. I call you what you are.
Imagine living in a housing complex/development that you recently moved to. The incompetent neighborhood watch doesn't bother to update it's knowledge of the residents, and decides to harass you "because you don't belong". While dealing with the arrogant fuck that is getting in your face, you get upset and push back. Whether you end up on top or the bottom of the tussle, the hero wanna-be pulls a gun and shoots you. The end (you die).
How does this scenario make you a thug or a criminal?? Oh, wait...you've been smoking pot, so therefor you should die for your sins. I mean EVERYONE knows how physically aggressive being stoned on pot makes you...
Ah, you think, but that wouldn't happen to me since I'm not a hoodie wearing teenager. Or black.
My point exactly.
I'm not black, or a teen anymore, so I don't have those concerns anymore. Does it strike you odd that I don't want this scenario to happen to anyone else??? Once apon a time I was a large scary looking teen, frequently stoned, but it wasn't a lethal condition for me. It shouldn't be for anyone else either.
Peace