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Elections departments don't advertise this, but the USPS is instructed to deliver un- and under-stamped ballots, postage due. (Anecdotally, I've heard that the USPS sometimes fucks up and returns unstamped ballots, so if you're going to try this for the sake of trying this, vote early.)
So for those of you who complain that your vote isn't worth the price of the stamp, don't use one. Just vote, goddammit.
I experimented with it myself with an election I didn't care that much about; I think it was a school levy that was definitely going to pass. USPS did not send my ballot back.
@8 For real. McGinn's spent the vast majority of his adult life in Seattle. I was born and raised in Eastern Washington, but I consider myself a Seattleite through and through. I have no sympathy for his kind of purity nonsense .
@7, Yeah screw anyone who comes from anywhere else, no matter how long they've lived here. We should change the rules so that only people who's families have been here for at least 3 generations are allowed to run for public office. Obviously, no one who has been here less time than that has ever contributed to this city. And pull up the drawbridges already!
Garrett should complain to his postmaster or something. I'm happy to eat the $0.42 or whatever it is, but the County should pay postage due for those who aren't.
Surprised to hear about Montlake Ale House lying to its staff. Goldy's been doing his Drinking Liberally evenings there for years. He must know the management; maybe he can get them to shape up?
Conlin vs Sawant or Carver ? Yeah, not much to worry about there Richard. Funny how you guys like O'Brien even though he voted (twice) against building the tunnel.
@ 20, that's a good question. Is he really qualified to opine about Capitol Hill matters, if he didn't grow up there? If there's anything I hate, it's some jerkwad from Magnolia moving there when he's 18 and thinking that living there for the next 20 years makes him a neighbor.
I hate to say it, but a lot of the people who make a big deal out of being from here aren't all that bright. One gets the idea that if left to their own devices we'd still be dumping our sewage in Lake Washington and our garbage in the sound. Luckily, evolution is doing its job, and that crowd is dying off.
(To be sure, the vast majority of locals are just darling)
I hope McGinn makes it into the top two, and I hope Murray doesn't, but I'm pretty sure he will. God help us if he wins. For the life of me, I can't understand his appeal.
But none of the candidates are particularly good. That's what's depressing.
Well, when you're running a McGinn vs the world race, even if 75% of the world is against him, once divided by enough challengers McGinn's 25% is still enough (or 27% as this count suggests).
That's still 73% of people who scrape up a stamp to vote in a primary saying "not you" to Mike.
Conlin 's 49% to Stranger Endorsed Sawant's 33% is really shitty but Stranger Endorsed O'Brien's 57% to Shen's 35% is victory in the face of the evil Seattle Times. The 2nd place finisher took more votes vs O'Brien.
That supporter for Gray is wrong by the way.
The numbers show she came in 9th of 9 candidates, although over 4x more than "write ins".
Doug McQuaid 1887 2.02
Ed Murray 28248 30.24
Kate Martin, planner 1730 1.85
Bruce A. Harrell 14458 15.48
Mike McGinn 25364 27.15
Peter Steinbrueck 15189 16.26
Mary Martin, factory worker 1124 1.2
Joey Gray 914 0.98
Charlie Staadecker 4287 4.59
Write-in 205 0.22
WTF kind of dumbass statement is that? Like, candidates are supposed to host their election parties in places that are not popular with tourists? Your provincial bitchiness is showing.
McGinn will come out on top when all the ballots are counted.
His strength has always been his incredible grassroots support, and judging from comments his volunteers made at 95 Slide, they drummed up a lot of it in the last two days. I believe them.
And why are we doing this primary again? Because the general election voters would be confused by having several candidates on the ballot so they need to be winnowed down by the primary election voters? Even though the voters are the same in both cases? What a waste of money.
fletc3her, I'm not sure about that. McGinn's 27% gets him through the primary with the most votes, but vs one other "not McGinn" I think McGinn is toast.
Now the real mayoral race begins. Ed Murray (who has never had to run a real campaign in his life) is going to realize that it takes more than money to come out on top, you need to actually know what you're talking about. I expect McGinn to clean his clock in the General Election.
@39Doug, you can do that and I'll hold out hope that Steinbrueck surges late into the general election. I think we'll be equally disappointed. 73% voted "anybody but McGinn" and probably aren't so easily plied back into his saddlebags.
I'm also Eastern Washington raised, but am still "from" Seattle. When I haven't lived in Seattle, I've also lived in Spokane (downtown and the Valley), Fort Lewis, Tacoma (plus UP and Lakewood), Bellevue, and Everett. I've worked in all of the major cities but Everett. I've lived in multiple neighborhoods in Seattle proper.
What I've learned is that Seattle represents Washington State's values. Perhaps CB should move to Idaho; his brain is as landlocked as that State.
Also, I'm glad McGinn is still in the race. His start was painful, but I think he's learned much along the way and has some good ideas. He obviously loves this city very much. Murray is awesome, but I believe he sees Seattle as a change to gain some executive leadership on the resume and we are just a stepping stone to larger ambitions. He's always excelled at playing the long game and it'd be no surprise to me if he applied that to his political career as well.
ChefJoe dear, it really depends on the voter turnout, doesn't it? A lot of anti-McGinn people turned out to vote "against" him, but they were motivated, as all primary voters are.
In the Fall, will we see a groundswell for the incumbent, or will that nasally voice dog walker be victorious? Stay tuned....
Kaushik, who's already been part of the Murray campaign's ugly tactics of smearing the mayor while dodging issues, shrugged. "I don't know. Ask the mayor... Ask The Stranger."
The Stranger? Isn't that the paper where Sandeep Kaushik once appeared in a photograph exposing and pointing at his own nipple?
Your anti-Conlin spin is getting a bit tired. He got better numbers than his opponent, and way better numbers than McGinn. He is on to the general election, and will probably do better there.
Conlin has the support of just about every progressive organization in the city, except for The Stranger. Well, congratulations, I'm sure your endorsement helped (a little). But I doubt it will be enough to do the job.
McGinn: “Four years ago, they said, ‘How does this environmentalist neighborhood activist win a mayor’s race?’ And four years later they’re still saying it!”
yet the SECB can't say "neighborhood activist" without spittle and bile when it comes to Steinbrueck.
Murray comes off as a flip-flopper who will say anything to get elected, while McGinn has been consistent in his positions. I would think McGinn will be able to exploit that. It's already one of his main talking points.
@56, I think Murray has been faithful to his convictions. His record of accomplishments is pretty solid.
McGinn was not consistent on all of his positions. His flip-flop, if you will, on the tunnel cost citizens - his delaying the process was costly. He is also pretty true to his convictions, I'll grant him that, but not very good at achieving his goals. Murray has the upper hand.
You are so SOL. I was at Murray's Victory Party. He best line "this is a historical election but I am not running to a gay Mayor or a progressive Mayor. I am running to be and EFFECTIVE Mayor". McGinn has spent the last 4 years demonstrating he has no idea how to be an effective Mayor. And oh yeah, McGinn was against the Tunnel until he was OK with it (just before the 2009 election) and then he was against it and Olympia and the Governor and anyone who supported him because they believed he was for or against the tunnel. So there is that.
Fnarf, a money-backed establishment candidate taking a third of the vote against an outspent liberal freshman says something totally different than a socialist with little money winning similar numbers against a four-term fixture of downtown business.
@61: McGinn's been an effective mayor. Seattle is in damn good shape right now. Compare that to Murray's ineffective role as Senate Majority Leader and, well, it's a pretty weak talking point on Ed's part.
@65: McGinn's been an effective mayor? Is it "being an effective mayor" to run a police department that gets put under federal investigation and to welch on your promise to put rail on the ballot?
Thanks for a fun live-blog, guys! (by "guys" I mean Stranger Staff, and maybe a quarter of the commenters.)
The McGinn party was great, by the by. Best campaign I've ever been involved with. Looking forward to the next few months, no matter how heavy a lift it may be.
@ 67, it's been years since I lived in Seattle, but there were enough issues going on then, that it's clear SPD's problems are very long term. Your hint that it's all McGinn's fault somehow is bullshit. We can legitimately ask Nickles, Schell, or even Rice why they left that one to percolate.
The SPD's problems are indeed long-term. The presursor to the GSBA (Greater Seattle Business Association) was a group of gay bar owners who banded together in the 1970's to fight the SPD's and WSLCB's regular shakedowns of gay and minority establishments.
So true, Catalina. When DOJ finally turned its attention to SPD it was long overdue. Their work in LA and New Orleans had finally managed to improve those departments. I was really surprised when McGinn put so much energy into stalling DOJ once they began here, using his personal lawyer to send bristly letters to the US Attorney and Holmes, fighting DOJ's timelines and choice of leadership.
A lot of that was posturing as usual, so it turned out okay, but it feels like he chose to rob the process of some badly needed momentum in order to protect his chain of command and the Officers Guild. And remember, this came on the heels of his decision to rehire Chief Diaz, refusing to risk replacing him with the experienced reform candidate who'd applied.
I don't know if McGinn's second place finish is a "sort of" win -- an incumbent mayor should be the head of the pack. Every serious contender that ran against McGinn ran as "not McGinn," which means their voters aren't likely to flock to hizzoner in the general. If McGinn is smart, he'll do a deal with Harrel: deliver your supporters in November and I'll back you for my chair come the day. It's still an uphill battle for McGinn, even if he gains ground as ballots are counted. All the more reason to volunteer and donate for him. The alternative is a guy who has done great works in the legislature but apparently wants to be mayor so he can... be the mayor.
@79: McGinn's "uphill battle" will become easier when Murray will finally have to start talking about actual issues. Being "not McGinn" is not enough when you have no new or good ideas.
@63 -- Aside from the endorsements of The Seattle Times and The Stranger, and the money, the races are almost identical. Go to the endorsements page for each incumbent, remove the newspaper endorsements and see if you can guess which incumbent (O'Brien or Conlin) is endorsed by whom. For example:
Washington Conservation Voters
Washington Chapter of the Sierra Club
Cascade Bicycle Club
King County Democrats
11th District Democrats
32nd District Democrats
SEIU 775 NW
SEIU Local 925
(and many more labor, environmental and progressive organizations)
versus:
11th District Democrats
32nd District Democrats
34th District Democrats
King County Democrats
Affordable Housing Council
Cascade Bicycle Club
Seattle Transit Blog
Sierra Club
(and many more labor, environmental and progressive organizations)
Give up? Conlin is the one with the support of the Affordable Housing Council. Why is that, if he is such an enemy of the poor? Maybe it is because he has championed density, including transit based development, Apodments and other changes which make it easier to build apartments. Of course, that lost him votes on the fancy part of Capitol Hill (AKA the Steinbruek vote).
That, and the mindless criticisms of Conlin by The Stranger was enough to lower his numbers just a bit. I don't think you've been as whacky with your endorsements since you endorsed a drunk driver for city council or a law and order man for state attorney general.
McGinn and Murray were the strongest mayoral candidates. Going forward both sides should stop the pointless negative attacks and focus on the major issue that separates them: a more regional focus v.s. a more Seattle-centric focus. Murray is the regionalist who believes that Seattle resources, investment, and goodwill should stretch beyond its borders and be part of a greater metropolitan community that might help the poorer suburbs to the South but might also flush Seattle tax revenue into expensive infrastructure projects in wealthier suburbs, like Edmonds instead of using that money to more fully fund projects here in the city. McGinn is by far the more city-centered candidate who is more likely to place the needs and interests of our city above other "State and regional" interests. McGinn has earned a reputation for not always playing well with political power brokers and for standing up to insiders in D.C., Olympia and in other parts of the State to advocate for Seattle. Both Murray and McGinn are fine candidates who will both make good mayors. Instead of being negative, we should focus on the key issue in the race -Greater Seattle regionalism v.s. Seattle-focused advocacy and investment- over the next few months.
73% voted against McGinn .... In a primary...In the worst month to have an election, early August. McGinn doesn't have to be effective to be better than Murray. Incumbency will be an asset once there are more voters paying attention.
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But McGinn will win, right ?
Elections departments don't advertise this, but the USPS is instructed to deliver un- and under-stamped ballots, postage due. (Anecdotally, I've heard that the USPS sometimes fucks up and returns unstamped ballots, so if you're going to try this for the sake of trying this, vote early.)
So for those of you who complain that your vote isn't worth the price of the stamp, don't use one. Just vote, goddammit.
I experimented with it myself with an election I didn't care that much about; I think it was a school levy that was definitely going to pass. USPS did not send my ballot back.
At least they are Cascadians, unlike McGinns least coast long island transplant stank ass.
Yet he still pushes Least Coast values.
Don't trip potato chip.
You are a Westerner, and a North Westerner at that.
@10
Sounds like someone's a transplant.
Garrett should complain to his postmaster or something. I'm happy to eat the $0.42 or whatever it is, but the County should pay postage due for those who aren't.
@12
Totally irresponsible.
No one should EVER listen to Creed.
PS: McGinn's still in. Oh snappppppp
(To be sure, the vast majority of locals are just darling)
I hope McGinn makes it into the top two, and I hope Murray doesn't, but I'm pretty sure he will. God help us if he wins. For the life of me, I can't understand his appeal.
But none of the candidates are particularly good. That's what's depressing.
That's still 73% of people who scrape up a stamp to vote in a primary saying "not you" to Mike.
The numbers show she came in 9th of 9 candidates, although over 4x more than "write ins".
Doug McQuaid 1887 2.02
Ed Murray 28248 30.24
Kate Martin, planner 1730 1.85
Bruce A. Harrell 14458 15.48
Mike McGinn 25364 27.15
Peter Steinbrueck 15189 16.26
Mary Martin, factory worker 1124 1.2
Joey Gray 914 0.98
Charlie Staadecker 4287 4.59
Write-in 205 0.22
Also, Kshama Sawant is going to win the general election! With the help of my 2nd donation of the year tonight.
WTF kind of dumbass statement is that? Like, candidates are supposed to host their election parties in places that are not popular with tourists? Your provincial bitchiness is showing.
His strength has always been his incredible grassroots support, and judging from comments his volunteers made at 95 Slide, they drummed up a lot of it in the last two days. I believe them.
Catalina -- O'Brien is a Fremonster.
What I've learned is that Seattle represents Washington State's values. Perhaps CB should move to Idaho; his brain is as landlocked as that State.
Also, I'm glad McGinn is still in the race. His start was painful, but I think he's learned much along the way and has some good ideas. He obviously loves this city very much. Murray is awesome, but I believe he sees Seattle as a change to gain some executive leadership on the resume and we are just a stepping stone to larger ambitions. He's always excelled at playing the long game and it'd be no surprise to me if he applied that to his political career as well.
In the Fall, will we see a groundswell for the incumbent, or will that nasally voice dog walker be victorious? Stay tuned....
The Stranger? Isn't that the paper where Sandeep Kaushik once appeared in a photograph exposing and pointing at his own nipple?
Conlin has the support of just about every progressive organization in the city, except for The Stranger. Well, congratulations, I'm sure your endorsement helped (a little). But I doubt it will be enough to do the job.
yet the SECB can't say "neighborhood activist" without spittle and bile when it comes to Steinbrueck.
WTF?
Now that it's mano a mano, we'll see whose bossa dis town.
Yeah exactly, this is a McGinn blowout.
Ok. How about Ed Murray for Mayor?
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Posted by Zander on August 16, 2011 at 10:47 PM
Fucking genius.
McGinn was not consistent on all of his positions. His flip-flop, if you will, on the tunnel cost citizens - his delaying the process was costly. He is also pretty true to his convictions, I'll grant him that, but not very good at achieving his goals. Murray has the upper hand.
Really, pretty good in that context, otherwise, ya, she is now burdened with running uphill for 3 months.
You are so SOL. I was at Murray's Victory Party. He best line "this is a historical election but I am not running to a gay Mayor or a progressive Mayor. I am running to be and EFFECTIVE Mayor". McGinn has spent the last 4 years demonstrating he has no idea how to be an effective Mayor. And oh yeah, McGinn was against the Tunnel until he was OK with it (just before the 2009 election) and then he was against it and Olympia and the Governor and anyone who supported him because they believed he was for or against the tunnel. So there is that.
We're taking over, baby.
The McGinn party was great, by the by. Best campaign I've ever been involved with. Looking forward to the next few months, no matter how heavy a lift it may be.
A lot of that was posturing as usual, so it turned out okay, but it feels like he chose to rob the process of some badly needed momentum in order to protect his chain of command and the Officers Guild. And remember, this came on the heels of his decision to rehire Chief Diaz, refusing to risk replacing him with the experienced reform candidate who'd applied.
conlin in shocking trouble at 49 percent, but mcginn is doing great! at 27 percent.
socialist at 33 percent, stunning breakthrough, beats incumbent mayor, but mayor doing great!
ah his powerful get out the vote machine. 27 percent.
27 percent sucks, and it's the death knell. get real.
@63 -- Aside from the endorsements of The Seattle Times and The Stranger, and the money, the races are almost identical. Go to the endorsements page for each incumbent, remove the newspaper endorsements and see if you can guess which incumbent (O'Brien or Conlin) is endorsed by whom. For example:
Washington Conservation Voters
Washington Chapter of the Sierra Club
Cascade Bicycle Club
King County Democrats
11th District Democrats
32nd District Democrats
SEIU 775 NW
SEIU Local 925
(and many more labor, environmental and progressive organizations)
versus:
11th District Democrats
32nd District Democrats
34th District Democrats
King County Democrats
Affordable Housing Council
Cascade Bicycle Club
Seattle Transit Blog
Sierra Club
(and many more labor, environmental and progressive organizations)
Give up? Conlin is the one with the support of the Affordable Housing Council. Why is that, if he is such an enemy of the poor? Maybe it is because he has championed density, including transit based development, Apodments and other changes which make it easier to build apartments. Of course, that lost him votes on the fancy part of Capitol Hill (AKA the Steinbruek vote).
That, and the mindless criticisms of Conlin by The Stranger was enough to lower his numbers just a bit. I don't think you've been as whacky with your endorsements since you endorsed a drunk driver for city council or a law and order man for state attorney general.
Do you mean this Affordable Housing Council?
http://www.mba-ks.com/index.cfm?/Members…
The Master Builders Association is certainly interesting in construction projects, but it hardly looks like its on the side of the non-wealthy renter.