Blogs Sep 26, 2013 at 3:18 pm

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The worst street in Seattle is Shilshole in Ballard, the cyclist graveyard. Heaven forbid the gravel pits and toxic waste barrel parking zones get replaced with Burke Gilman Trail. McGinn is as pro pedestrian/bike/public transport a mayor you'll ever see, and this is a big ugly black mark on his pro-bike legacy.
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Fuck North 85th street YO. North 65th is waaaaay better dude. Totes man totes.
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For drugs and prostitutes, it's pretty good.
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@1: Don't blame McGinn for the Ballard Missing Link. Blame Ballard Oil, Salmon Bay Sand & Gravel and the entire Ballard Chamber of Commerce, who have been blocking the project for over a decade.

Aurora is the worst street in Seattle.
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What @4 said. McGinn has been throwing down hard on getting the Missing Link closed. It's the courts and the industrial owners next to Shilshole who are refusing to accept a safe bike trail.

Aurora is by far the worst. 85th isn't even in the top 5. After Aurora you've got Lake City Way, Rainier (lots of collisions), 4th Ave South, and 15th NW, especially in Interbay.
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It has potential. The success of Phinney will eventually spill over. Although I heard one guy owns most of the empty buildings around 85th.
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@4: yes those companies selfishly want to keep there workers employed and earning good wages, route that section of the Burke Gilman trail down Ballard Ave.
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Depends on where it is. Go about two blocks and it's ok.

@4 is correct, @1.
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Aurora is awful...

in the archaic sense of, "inspiring reverential wonder or fear." It is by no means the worst, and it may be the most vibrant.

85th is just a boring fast street full of cars, at least between I-5 and Fred Meyer.
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it's just junk between greenwood and 99, besides that it's fine.
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@10 and I are on the same wavelength, it seems.
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As someone who lives a block off, it's pretty horrible, but mostly for being traffic-bound and bland. There are a few blocks (greenwood to 3rd, and then again around 8th) which are actually quite nice and filled with cool local businesses. Having said that, most of your time is stuck in 4 lanes of stoplight traffic looking out at a Jack in the Box.
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Aurora is a great street, one of the best in Seattle. It's an economic engine and a gateway for immigrants in a city that is usually hostile to both of those things.

I would nominate Lake City Way, as a street that has repeatedly gone out of its way to make itself duller and more horrible, to kill everything interesting about itself, to consider the possibility of being something more than just a highway to Bothell and deciding, "no, we're not going to do that, in fact, we're going to rip out the one interesting block and replace it with stuff that Northup Way in Bellevue would be ashamed of."

North 85th isn't that bad; it's just a boring street. It's not even the worst in the Greenwood area (that would be Greenwood itself, from about 83rd south). Once 85th becomes NW, though, it's a disaster, especially the way it intersects so horribly with so many other streets. The way it shifts to 80th over the freeway -- Banner Way NE is the worst street in the city, an outrageous insult to humanity. The way it runs into the reservoir. The way it runs out at 25th. It fails at its basic function, which is to move traffic east and west in a part of the city that is terrible at east-west routes. NW 85th is terrific.
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@7- I have yet to figure out how those businesses are going to be negatively influenced by having a bike path handle the bike traffic that currently crosses their access routes via the roadway.
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@14:How would bikes be negatively affected by going down Ballard Ave?

How about not turning the whole city into a gentrified suburb, cities work best when they are diverse.
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@15- Ballard Avenue? Seriously? Because that would suck for all the cars, businesses and cyclists. It's crowded enough already (and closed for a farmer's market sometimes), which is why most cyclists take Shilshole, which is wider at least. And which is why all the traffic that would be on the bike path is already effecting the businesses you suggest would be hurt.

How are those businesses are going to be negatively influenced by having a bike path handle the bike traffic that currently crosses their access routes via the roadway?
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@13- I'm pretty sure the I-5/85th/80th clusterfuck is in the North section. It's hell on a bicycle, there's so much debris from car accidents going East to West.
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@4 is not correct. Salmon Bay filed a lawsuit for an "environmental review" because they were "concerned about the environmental impact" on Salmon Bay. At the exact same time, they were being fined by the EPA for dumping in the very same Salmon Bay.

What they want is to keep their free employee parking along that stretch of *public* property. This is an example of private entities demanding public resources to support their business. Everything else is a red herring.
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@18: Uh, how is what I said @4 "not correct"?
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@13: Greenwood Ave "from about 83rd south" is one of the worst streets in Seattle? That's absurd.

That road has bike lanes, some decent retail and at 67th turns into residential. And just off Greenwood at 57th is one of the most interesting underpasses in the city.
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@18 gets to the heart of it. If you look at the property boundaries, the business owned property ends just a few feet from the wall of the building, yet they treat the next 25 feet of city property as their own private parking. Who would want to give up that kind of free real estate?
The other red herrings they throw around are jobs and safety. Safety doesn't seem to be any kind of issue at their other facility in Fremont that is right on the Burke Gilman trail with much less visibility than Shilshole. Jobs? That's what every business cries when they don't like something. How on earth would some bicyclists riding by impact their business? What, the neighborhood might get too nice to want a cement plant in the middle of it? Zoning prevents that, but considering what a bunch of fucktards SBSG has been, I'd lobby for the change just out of spite.
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Oh yeah...85th. It's just a boundary line, so meh.
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No way 85th is worse than 45th. Not even close, but after driving from Georgetown to Shoreline this afternoon I think everything sucks and I should just move away.
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85th!? Are you kidding? It gives access between N Aurora/Greenwood and both directions of I-5, or into Roosevelt/Lake City. Though the street itself is packed with cars, diverging off of by just a block or two yields a plethora of strange and wonderful local businesses, tranquil (and affordable) neighborhoods, and an awesome library. Following it further W through Crown Hill, over the crest and down into the back door of Golden Gardens, one of the greatest beaches in the city, completes the run of its awesomeness.

Chuck's on 85th is enough reason alone for it to be an awesome street.
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Yea... I don't get it. 85th is efficient at moving a large volume of traffic. There's hundreds of worse streets in this city (LIKE ALL OF EM WITHOUT SIDEWALKS)
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@20, I think he said, worst street in Greenwood, not in Seattle. That said, I don't get what he means - I, like you, appreciate Greenwood south of 83rd. It is calm, peaceful, tree-lined, with bike lanes and good businesses (albeit interrupted by stretches of business-free blocks). Maybe not living up to its full potential as a commercial strip, but a nice place (except that light at 80th which in heavy traffic is terrible).
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Gotta love a city that decides it should focus its transportation issues on the 10% of citizens wealthy enough to be able to afford to live within biking distance to their work.

What about the other 90% of plebs that still have to drive to or through Seattle for work/school/shopping?

"Let em eat gas station cake-cookies...in their car in their 1.5 hour daily commute to and from work"!

Thanks Mayor McGinn!
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@27, we gave you I-5, what the hell else do you want?
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Go to north Aurora and 145th, look north into Shoreline, look south into Seattle, and ask yourself which is has the complete street, bus lanes, sidewalks, buried power lines, for miles.
It sure as fuck isn't Seattle.
85th is and arterial, one of the few that moves people east and west.
The worst street is Meridian at N 145th, and arterial that mixes busses, cars, sharrows, open rainwater ditches, a half made sidewalk on one side of the street that dumps into a six-way stop a few blocks from N 130th where 26 new housing units and going in.

If somebody doesn't get killed on that stretch over the next year, it will be by total accident, because the "planning" absolutely will ensure it, sooner or later.
It's absolutely fucked up.
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@27: Owning a car is expensive. Spending two hours a day in traffic to go from your "affordable" home to your job is expensive. Do the math.
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Buses move a whole lot more people around than bikes, so I would prioritize avoiding Metro cuts above anything bike related. I understand that most sloggers are also pro metro, and the politics aren't as simple as shifting funds around. But @27 isn't entirely wrong to point out that focusing on bikes benefits a relatively small number of commuters.
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as long as the jobs and housing is zoned apart the walk ability city premise is absurd.
Thousands enter an exit the city to go downtown.
Thousands that live in the city, not in motor homes, and don't work downtown, are being offered light rail from Ballard and West Seattle to downtown by mayor dumbshit. Insitutionalizing the Balkanization of the city.
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Everyone is too cool to think of 85th as just another street. Which it is. There are hundreds of worse streets. I'm sorry that having a Jack-N-The-Box is so gauche.
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Lake City Way is the worse street Seattle has to offer. Aurora oddly has potential of being really cool but it's never seemed to pull it off. And 85th is just cars cars cars...
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I'm just stunned the Stranger is admitting we count as part of Seattle way up here.
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lake city has toyoda's sushi, el norte, and fake ezells' so it cannot be the worst.

85 & aurora is pretty bad - that's the first place my stepkids saw drug addicts, in front of crack-in-the-box. the six-pack ghetto N & S of 85th is an atrocious zoning error that will plague the city for decades. other than that 85th is just "transitioning".

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@27- I live in Seattle, bike to work, am a single dad with half-time custody, and make less than $30,000 a year. Fuck your ignorant assumptions.
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I love it when bicyclists can't figure out how to deal with railroad tracks, and then blame everyone else. See if we care. We're about to shitcan your friendly mayor, so good luck getting your so-called "missing link."
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#37, so you're poor. Good for you. All the more reason to pay more attention before trying to ride parallel next to train tracks. Please tell us, are you people fuckin' brain dead in every area of your lives, or do you just like to be idiots riding your bikes? Every time one of you people gets himself killed by doing something stupid, I laugh at all of you.
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@21 - Yes, some of them even illegally place "no parking" signs to try and keep the public from parking in those public parking spaces (not unlike they do in various areas of SODO where the old warehouse buildings have similar public space abbuting them).

With regard to @7/15/Merchant Seaman, I at least understand the Ballard Chamber of Commerce argument that it will take away parking and that will hurt business (although I don't particularly buy it), but I am totally confused about how it would take jobs away from the businesses on Shilshole, hurt diversity, or cause gentrification. I mean I guess to some degree making an area safer and look nicer might help the cause of gentrification, but that is an argument against any imporvements in any neighborhood (except already rich neighborhoods), which is obviously bad policy.
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@27 - Yes. All the poor people who drive cars. And the best way to help them is to make sure they have to keep driving cars? Riiiight. Except that making it easier to take public transit, walk, or ride a bike is disproportionately a benefit to the lowest income citizens, who can't afford cars (or can't afford gas/parking to drive often).

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