What I find insidious about the quoted section is how they make sure you know the kids were white (blonde) and "pretty" so you can feel the appropriate levels of mourning, as understood by the reporter/writer.
Because who would care if a couple ugly brown girls got killed, right?
Such a weird world we live in.
#1 has it exactly right, regardless of what any stupid or unbalanced commenters have to say.
And in the cases of an ex-boyfriend/husband who is out to stalk and many times kill ("If I can't have her, nobody can") - what should the woman do? Just a restraining order? What does someone do who is the crosshairs of someone with overwhelming rage?
@10
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@7, 11 & 15 agree. This is an abject tragedy without the qualifiers. How senseless. My condolences to the family.
Charles,
While I agree that relatively easy access to a firearm rendered this horror, I remain dubious that "gun ideology" is at work here. To be sure, immediate despair and/or insanity factor in initially. However, @1 has a very good point that the mother's anger and despair would remain. And the weapon's availability did make it easier for this carnage. Still, I believe mothers killing their own children is rare in the human experience.
@ 16, rare, but distressingly common enough. When they reach that tipping point, they'll use poison or knives or (if the children are little enough) they'll drown or suffocate them.
I'll confess that I miss exactly what "gun ideology" is at work in these articles, but when I saw they were from the NY Post (no wonder they reported that the girls were "pretty" and "blond" ) it didn't matter to me what angle they were pushing. There's a lot more gun ideology at work when children negligently killed by firearms are reported by more sober media outlets as dying by "accident."
@9: i'll bite, since i've lived through that exact situation with my little sister.
restraining order = gun seizure. how do you know that someone has a gun? registration/licensure. wouldn't stop every incidence, but it would stop most.
but we can't have registration/licensure, because tyranny.
I don't understand how access to guns has anything to do with these horrendous murders. Mothers who kill their children have done so in many many different ways. And if a mother is so unstable as to be driven to murder her own children I'm sure that the diffence between the ease of shooting them vs other methods is hardly a deciding factor. Frankly, the manner in which these two women murdered their children is of little importance other than the hope that the children suffered less than if they had been poisoned, suffocated or drowned.
"Our econometric results are consistent with the literature on suicide which finds that suicide is often a rash and impulsive decision–most people who try but fail to commit suicide do not recommit at a later date–as a result, small increases in the cost of suicide can dissuade people long enough so that they never do commit suicide."
In other words, killing with a gun is easier, so it means people succeed where they would normally fail and then not try again.
As has been demonstrated in dozens of reports and studies of suicide, the act is almost always impulsive, and when presented with even minimal hurdles the rate of attempt drops dramatically. That is why gun ownership and suicide (and murder/suicide) are so interdependent.
and your graph does not factor how rural the states are, or how elderly the population is (both of which increase suicide rates), or factor out long gun (which are not used in suicide) ownership . if it did it would tell a very different story.
something about correlation and causation.
@38: no it's not. it's familicide, of which the suicide is an integral bookend to the punishment of the errant spouse. "look what you forced me to do".
I basically don't believe that a person exists until I hear a physical description of them. The individual details are value neutral. But they were real young people who were shot. A lot of people get lost in the big numbers of shot 1z so it's useful to be reminded that each is a person
the whole racial privilege/prejudice talk gets a lot more unearned mileage for the pro-gun crowd than it does for us
without the firearm, the impulse may remain, but it becomes far harder. it takes serious committment to achieve the same end.
Sometimes the trash takes its self out.
Because who would care if a couple ugly brown girls got killed, right?
Such a weird world we live in.
#1 has it exactly right, regardless of what any stupid or unbalanced commenters have to say.
@ 3 once again demonstrates that he's the only trash that needs to be taken out. (Figuratively speaking only.)
@ 7 beat me to what I was going to say.
And in the cases of an ex-boyfriend/husband who is out to stalk and many times kill ("If I can't have her, nobody can") - what should the woman do? Just a restraining order? What does someone do who is the crosshairs of someone with overwhelming rage?
So when do you take out your trash?
I came to say the same... "pretty blonde" daughters? Although not entirely surprising given it's from the NY Post.
I compost or recycle everything. What I can compost or recycle I use to create art that my agent sells through galleries in Manhattan, LA and London.
Charles,
While I agree that relatively easy access to a firearm rendered this horror, I remain dubious that "gun ideology" is at work here. To be sure, immediate despair and/or insanity factor in initially. However, @1 has a very good point that the mother's anger and despair would remain. And the weapon's availability did make it easier for this carnage. Still, I believe mothers killing their own children is rare in the human experience.
I'll confess that I miss exactly what "gun ideology" is at work in these articles, but when I saw they were from the NY Post (no wonder they reported that the girls were "pretty" and "blond" ) it didn't matter to me what angle they were pushing. There's a lot more gun ideology at work when children negligently killed by firearms are reported by more sober media outlets as dying by "accident."
We all despair. Even you.
restraining order = gun seizure. how do you know that someone has a gun? registration/licensure. wouldn't stop every incidence, but it would stop most.
but we can't have registration/licensure, because tyranny.
don't be as stupid as Goldy.
this is not a gun story.
it is a "shacking up is hell on the kids" story.
"Cops didn’t name the fiance, but said they had been to the home before on domestic calls."
children in homes with unmarried adults are at great risk oif death, abuse and neglect.
when is Slog going to get up in arms about it?
because the children.
and, after all, its not like she might of drowned them or anything....
"Our econometric results are consistent with the literature on suicide which finds that suicide is often a rash and impulsive decision–most people who try but fail to commit suicide do not recommit at a later date–as a result, small increases in the cost of suicide can dissuade people long enough so that they never do commit suicide."
In other words, killing with a gun is easier, so it means people succeed where they would normally fail and then not try again.
The USA has lower suicide rates than Japan and France and China, and many other countries.
Despite having three times as many guns as France, 50X as many guns as China, 200X japan.
Thirty nations with far lower rates of gun ownership have far more suicides than America.
guns≠suicide.
morons.
5280, i expect you to chime in with a gunner tautology far before comment 32. Slog harder.
after you explain @29. instead of ignoring it.
and your graph does not factor how rural the states are, or how elderly the population is (both of which increase suicide rates), or factor out long gun (which are not used in suicide) ownership . if it did it would tell a very different story.
something about correlation and causation.
This article is about infanticide. Not suicide.
the oddity here is that a woman did it.
the whole racial privilege/prejudice talk gets a lot more unearned mileage for the pro-gun crowd than it does for us