It doesn't mean much to hear Murray say the last misconduct finding won't be reversed again. All we can say is that he's claiming it hasn't been reversed as of press time.
Will Murray's guy reverse it again? Maybe! We just don't know. We will never know.
There's quite a bit in the SPD story about Bailey claiming that former interim chief Pugel approved the reversals and Pugel calling bullshit on Bailey.
In a written statement Wednesday night, Pugel said, âAny claim that I âtentativelyâ or otherwise reversed any of the disciplinary decisions that I made, before the current interim chief was appointed, is not true. I did not approve any settlements. There would have been a record.â
Pugel said city officials could have asked him. âTo this day none of them have contacted me. There is no record of me approving these settlements because I did not,â he said.
Murray has no vision, no agenda and no credibility. He is a cowardly protector of the status quo, nothing more. He is Seattle's George W. Bush, a strutting peacock of ineptitude.
If only there was some short of political alternative to the Dems, to challenge their stranglehold on the political establishment and propose bold and popular policy. We elected the king of King County Democrats, and people expect change in our police state. Wouldn't want to be soft on crime!
I think Murray's playing the long game rather than doing some kind of quid pro quo.
Police reform is needed badly, but it isn't going to happen effectively from external pressure. Ultimately we'll only see real reform when the culture of the police force changes. While it might be just and righteous to punish any and all firmly now, that's likely to cause a further circling of the wagons and make the police even more insular. Let a few go now and the relationship for reform can proceed. But yeah, Bailey probably should go sooner rather than later, this whole thing has been pretty botched.
@12 Yeah, I saw that, and it was ridiculous. The next line also goes to the heart of this:
âIt is true that the union proposed lessening or even eliminating some discipline,â Pugel added. âBut I concluded the proposal was not in the best interest of the city, or the Seattle community.â
Murray's need to kick out everyone with any relation to McGinn is hurting Seattle.
Yes, we all know that the only way a police force ever gets reformed is from within. The best way to motivate them to change their own culture is to take everyone convicted of wrongdoing and let them off the hook. And nothing says "reform" like taking the punk who was arrested for shooting a guy in a bar fight at a biker rally and putting him in charge of the cop union. When that fucker sits down with a mayor who has cleverly projected a wet noodle image by acting like a wet noodle every chance he gets, you're going to see real change among the cops.
Ask any cop. This is why cops are always saying we need to go easier on crooks. If you have a gang problem, any cop will tell you the recipe for gang reform is to parole lots of gang members. They're your reformers. Burglars will change their burlarism if you reverse their convictions, because they'll go tell all the other burglars "See! Love is the answer."
Whether a crook murders a cop, or a cop murders an innocent man, the key remains the same: play the "long game" and let 'em go free! And then, presto! Change!
At least McGinn took the full four years to do it; Murray OTOH seems intent on setting some sort of record for fastest pissing away of an administration.
Will Murray's guy reverse it again? Maybe! We just don't know. We will never know.
Because Leadership!
Kinda wish I actually believed in eternal damnation at the moment.
In a written statement Wednesday night, Pugel said, âAny claim that I âtentativelyâ or otherwise reversed any of the disciplinary decisions that I made, before the current interim chief was appointed, is not true. I did not approve any settlements. There would have been a record.â
Pugel said city officials could have asked him. âTo this day none of them have contacted me. There is no record of me approving these settlements because I did not,â he said.
Full DOJ takeover today.
Police reform is needed badly, but it isn't going to happen effectively from external pressure. Ultimately we'll only see real reform when the culture of the police force changes. While it might be just and righteous to punish any and all firmly now, that's likely to cause a further circling of the wagons and make the police even more insular. Let a few go now and the relationship for reform can proceed. But yeah, Bailey probably should go sooner rather than later, this whole thing has been pretty botched.
Hmm... So, let's deputize everyone and see what happens when the law becomes moot for everybody, not just rogue assholes with a badge.
If it doesn't work when it doesn't matter, why pretend like it does with force?
âIt is true that the union proposed lessening or even eliminating some discipline,â Pugel added. âBut I concluded the proposal was not in the best interest of the city, or the Seattle community.â
Murray's need to kick out everyone with any relation to McGinn is hurting Seattle.
Yes, we all know that the only way a police force ever gets reformed is from within. The best way to motivate them to change their own culture is to take everyone convicted of wrongdoing and let them off the hook. And nothing says "reform" like taking the punk who was arrested for shooting a guy in a bar fight at a biker rally and putting him in charge of the cop union. When that fucker sits down with a mayor who has cleverly projected a wet noodle image by acting like a wet noodle every chance he gets, you're going to see real change among the cops.
Ask any cop. This is why cops are always saying we need to go easier on crooks. If you have a gang problem, any cop will tell you the recipe for gang reform is to parole lots of gang members. They're your reformers. Burglars will change their burlarism if you reverse their convictions, because they'll go tell all the other burglars "See! Love is the answer."
Whether a crook murders a cop, or a cop murders an innocent man, the key remains the same: play the "long game" and let 'em go free! And then, presto! Change!
At least McGinn took the full four years to do it; Murray OTOH seems intent on setting some sort of record for fastest pissing away of an administration.