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I live in a very rural area - the police in our village (not large enough to be a town) get $10.15/hr. Even the police chief works a second job. The fire department, which belongs to a nearby town, is staffed 95% with volunteers - the two part time paid firemen get $8/hr. The nearest McDonald's is 4 miles away - starting pay there is $7.75.

Which is to say that outside of large cities, it isn't just fast food workers and retail employees that are not getting paid enough to live.
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And just like that, "Brown Bag Friday" was born.
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Switzerland is voting on $25/hr.

At the rate this is going, you will soon be able to quit your high tech job and work at the Shell mini-mart and bring home nearly the same pay.
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Capitalism is great system because of its imperfections and because of its limited need for socialistic policies. The two paramount struggles are:
- The need for equitable but competitive compensation for labor performed.
- The need for equitable but unrestrictive taxation for government expenditures.
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@4: "Limited need for socialistic policies"? You mean like how it keep crashing and requires socialistic policies to bail it out and keep running? And then runs smoothly until those "socialistic policies" start getting cut?
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the need for socialist policies is limited in the the full on socialism policy -- state ownership of means of production -- isn't needed. we want sweden, not USSR.

sweden has capitalism well tamed by "socialistic" policies. right wingers call it socialism. whatever you call it, it's not full on state ownership of the means of production. the fact that capitalism also creates wealth, lifted europe out of mass scale poverty -- when tamed -- and is helping do so today in india and china etc. needs recogniction, too.

capitalism is like a bull. you need a fucking fence to limit it and prods to govern it. WE have to control IT. but killing the bull and having state bureacracies take over won't work -- ussr didn't invent computers cell phones or laptops did it. capitalism did. I'd add to the list of two things needed a few more like limiting role of money in politics and taming capitalism's impact on environment -- actually, it's better to call it environmental regulation with or without capitalism, ALL systems of production harm the environment and can do so -- so it's a robust amount of regulation and redistribution we need to have. but really, what nation that is socialist would you prefer to live in that manages things better than germany sweden finland denmark etc. the epitomes of the social democratic policies? where is better, north korea? cuba? what? by saying limited need for socialist policies I think what was meant was "policies to regulate capitalism at all times without going full on USSR style ownership of means of production" NOT "policies for a few months then stop the socialist policies for a few years till it crashes again." the limit is not going all the way to ussr, I think we'd all agree we need regulations, tax, redistribution, and other controls on capitalism AT ALL TIMES WITHOUT LETTING UP AND OFTEN MAKING THE REGULATIONS STRONGER. eg now we need that $15 min wage, right? but we don't ned the state to pay everyone's salary!
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How many times is Slog going to repost this story? Repetition does not increase one's significance.
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Because minimum wage workers are the only people who matter in Seattle politics today. For all the condescension and vicious insults, all these "job creators" and representatives of the entrepreneurial class can't overcome the influence of the ones at the bottom.

If you hate seeing workers in the news, either do something that matters more than what they're doing, or go Galt. What's holding you back?
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@8, whoosh!

I approve of 15Now, with no tip adjustment (I'm fine with taking SS, insurance and such out of the 15, since it is the way it is done now). But posting/linking the same article on Sunday at 11:38 am, Saturday at 10:38 am, and some nebulous time on Friday (the original post relinks to the Sunday post) doesn't help the issue any. All it does it exacerbate issue fatigue.

Fast food strikes in Seattle in 2013 did nothing for 15Now. It was already a movement, and fast food strikes were already happening all over the place (including Seattle). If anything, Slog is further marginalizing the issue by "chest pounding" and claiming credit for themselves and others rather than the real people who both got this movement off the ground and made it what it is today.

I love seeing workers in the news. I hate seeing workers' issues reduced to poor copy/paste jobs on blogs in an attempt to bolster views/"hits". I hope you can see the difference.
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We think this issue is doomed to fail, and that is will cause great inflation - at a minimum.
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@10. Inflation may be (is) coming for far more significant reasons than workers simply getting a living wage.

Quantitative easing giving easy money to speculators to buy up assets which drives up the cost of assets (food, energy) is causing a lot of unrest around the world.

I've never understood the sympathy folks have for big businesses brazenly shaving extra profit from workers who need to then must get public assistance to continue living while working even full time.

This raise will only affect about 100,000 workers in Seattle (hardly inflation inducing number of workers). Nominal raises in prices for small businesses to help them pay better wages will help keep money local. Big business can easily handle the increase. When inflation (or deflation or both) rears it's (their) head(s) in the future at least this city will have put it's foot down on what is an essential community value.
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@9

Um, hey, "15Now supporter" [sic], I hate to burst your bubble, but if you think Slog is repetitive on this issue, you might want to stay far, far away from 15Now's blog, email list, or Twitter feed.

(It's called campaigning.)
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#12, I do stay away from their blog, for just that reason. I don't mind campaigning, I mind repetition. If the cause is that worthy, surely Slog can type something new about the campaign, rather than literally just repost the same story and pictures three days in a row. A worthy issue deserves more, doesn't it?

Also, there is no sic. 15Now is the precise way it is written both on the .org site and on the Google "hit", supporter is spelled correctly and is not supposed to be capitalized..
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Oddly enough, I was unable to delete the double period at the end of the post. Mea Culpa.
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You can raise the minimum wage, just do it slowly to give me time to save up and get the hell out of this place before my job shuts down. I can't wait to get the hell out of this place full of (inhales deeply) Pabst Blue Ribbon drinking, trust fund financed, dub-step listening, soy latte drinking, non-bathing, white-boy dreadlocks rocking, Prius driving, large soda banning, gun grabbing, vegan "burger" eating, pieces of trustafarian white privileged hipster shit!

And as for #8, I am a worker and I am against 15Now and I'm doing what most people with brains either have done or will do: MOVING! You can have Seattle. Spokane will never go along with this madness and Bellevue even has Republicans on their city council, so count them out too. But just to be safe I'm moving to either Texas or North Carolina...and for once I would like a 15Now socialist hipster to explain how on Earth they're going to get this thing passed in Houston.

I would PAY good money to watch a socialist run for office in Texas.

Seattle will become a quarantine zone for idiotic liberals. You can keep this cesspool, just stay the hell out of Texas (cocks shotgun)
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No, Swiss voters are LESS SOCIALIST and smarter than the Seattle mayor or city council: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world…

They voted against both a minimum wage (Switzerland doesn't even have one at all) and against more military spending. They also have one of the highest rates of gun ownership on Earth (and low levels of gun crime, of course) All they need to do is legalize drugs and make universal healthcare membership optional as opposed to mandatory, and they would have a 100% libertarian nation.

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That was an original, reflective interpretation of "Screw you guys, I'ma going home"

Sadly, that's the same kind of innovative self-expression that Texas frowns upon.
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@13

Well, then clearly you have grounds to ask for a refund.
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First thing I hear Sawant say when I go to a town hall meeting: "Let's step away from the numbers..." Okay Mrs. Doctorate in Economics - are you stepping away from the numbers because you know they don't support your position?

She needs to stick with teaching socialist economics to pot-smoking college existentialists, because she's a horrible politician.

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