I'd say 787 siting has more to do with this than unions:

3346 Mountainbrook Ave, Charleston, SC 29420
4 beds, 3 baths, 1,500 sqft
$125,000

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3346-M…

@1
You know there already is a local workforce not in need of being convinced to relocate here in the state, don't you?

Typography matters: A block quote or curly quotation marks would have made it simpler to know that John Kirby didn't say he stood with the oppressed.

I'm sorry Charles, but that is some offensive shit. You have no right to equate the extermination of millions of people for no reason other than their ethnicity with what's happening in gaza. I may think that Israel is wrong in many ways in this particular instance, but the inescapable fact is that Palestinians have fought the right of Israel to exist and have killed many Jews in the process. So no, those two things aren't remotely the same. Whether you think Israel is wrong in this instance or not.

Recent history as precedent, then those 787-10s will most likely come off the line delayed and defective in SC. The message Boeing is sending consumers is "we don't give a shit about quality as long as we save a buck", and they think a unionized workforce is the problem?

It really has more to do with the fact that the 787-10 mid fuselage will not fit into a DreamLifter unlike the 787-8 and 787-9.

@5 A lot of well meaning people get caught up in the "good guy vs. bad guy" narrative when it comes to Israel and Palestine. It's easier than considering the inherent grayness of the conflict and the idea that no one's hands are clean. Most of the time, it's the pro-Israel faction that falls into this thinking.

There are days when I wish Slog had all commentators register and show the first and last name of everyone along with their home address. You'd be amazed how fast things would become more civil

@10: Well, how many commenters would there be if your address was shown?
Not that I wouldn't mind having some of you drop by for afternoon tea.

Fact Check needed by Slog & Twitter-- The US has been exporting oil since 1995, when the then-newly annointed Republican leadership of the House & Senate repealed a ban on the export of crude oil from Alaska.

"During the administration of President Bill Clinton, the export ban was lifted for crude oil produced in Alaska. For a few years, producers sold Alaskan oil in Asian markets. Alaskan production has steadily declined, however, making exports less viable."

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/energ…

Nor does Charles seem to care about Syria & Iraq or farther afield, North Korea,

Charles, do you realize that Hamas is still shooting rockets? Today? They are at war with Israel.

I realize that you fancy yourself as "progressive" or 'Marxist" (though frankly I don't believe it) but sympathizing with innocent Hamas-supporters (elections do matter and Gaza voted for Hamas quite strongly) is not the same as Jews in Warsaw Ghetto. Get a grip.

What #14 said. Anyone who looked at a map could see that American oil companies operating in Alaska would have a strong reason to export oil to Japan and South Korea and, in fact, they have done so for decades.

@9,

Given that the Warsaw ghetto was the only one that resisted, then, us, they were smuggling in guns.

But the comparison still isn't apt, because when the Warsaw ghetto fought back the Nazis pretty much razed it and killed everyone they could get their hands on. A thousand casualties among a population of 1.8 million is child's play.

Perhaps it's time for the state to sue Boeing.... Get some of those tax dollars back at least. Talk about corporate welfare.

@10,

Have you ever seen a comments section that requires Facebook? It's not much better. The main difference is that anyone with something to lose mostly remains civil while the "self-employed" straight, "Christian" white men vomit up whatever they feel like.

Slog may be rough and tumble, but the commentariat here is one of the best I've seen.

@17, your reasoning - they elected Hamas, so they and their children should be burned alive and blown to pieces - is not at all different from that of your average terrorist.

Congratulations.

@7 Yes, this is something that's been talked about in the aerospace press for months now. This wouldn't be a surprise TO ANYONE THAT DID THEIR RESEARCH. \

If it was all about unionized labor, then the 777x would have been built down there as well. But it wasn't, so the picture is more complicated (like everything else in aerospace) than Charles lets on.

Once again, Charles can't do his fucking job. Maybe he should be evaluating the body fat or BMI of Greg McNerney. Charles, you know who that is, right?

@5 and @15,

Floating around the internets today is an interesting comparison.

"An ultra-nationalist, militarized state claims exclusive rights to land historically co-occupied by another race, dispossessing its inhabitants in contravention of international laws.

Citing the others' culture for its alleged conspiratorial nature, they relegate the people to ghettos, walled-in to strictly limit their movement and access to resources.

Exploiting relatively isolated incidents of violence -- characterized as a threat to broad, national security -- they mount a militarized offensive against a civilian population, leveling private houses and businesses in non-judicial retribution."

Does that sound like the Warsaw ghettos of 1939? Cause its exactly what happened.

And does it sound like Soweto in the 80's? Cause its exactly what happened.

And does it sound like Gaza this afternoon. It should. Because its exactly what is fucking happening.

And while the German citizenry, and South Africa's Boers were appeased their government were doing this in the interests of national security – and the righteousness of their racial identity – so are the citizens of Israel.

If there were a Grand Prize for Bitter Fucking Irony – this takes the cake: "The Jews are bombing civilians in ghettos they created in the interests of establishing and expanding a purer state."

Holy fucking shit. The hunted is now the hunter.

BTW - The horror of WWll doesn't give any special license to Judaism. It was an absolute atrocity, but its a line the Jews share with 27 million Russians, (a total of 64 million non-Jews).

"But wait," say the Zionists "The world wasn't out to exterminate your race."

In fact the Nazis held that the Slavs, like the Jews, were subhuman. "All Poles," Hitler swore, "will disappear from the world." On August 22, 1939, one week before the Nazi invasion of Poland, Hitler gave the Wehrmacht their instructions: "Kill without pity or mercy all men, women and children of Polish descent or language.... Be merciless. Be brutal. It is necessary to proceed with maximum severity. The war is to be a war of annihilation." And Catholics, and the disabled, and gays....

The perceived exceptionalism of "Jewish annihilation" is the cultural inculcation of an un-truth – necessary to reinforce a persecution complex – that would justify actions in a place like Gaza.

Add to that an identity of being God's "chosen tribe" – which is about a quarter-step from the Nazi's proclaimed "Master Race", and you've got a recipe for history to repeat itself in unimaginably horrible ways. Turn on CNN or BBC.

Like the Germans who sat at home minding their business while state-inflicted horror swept around them, so too are the people of Israel, complicit in the atrocities their government is delivering to "those dirty muslims."

@25 you're so smart, why don't they build the fuselages here?

Argentina is mostly an attempt by energy hedge funds to privatize Argentina's oil firms

Blue Angels!

I originally wrote a long comment, but realized I shouldn't need to explain:

The Lena Ghannam post is shamefully offensive Mudede and if you can't see why, I am done reading your posts.

A. Israel is not the representative for Jews around the world. Many of which condemn the actions of both nations, Palestine and Israel.

B. The mass genocide of Jews in Europe is nothing like the war in the middle-east. While we are drawing comparisons why not point out that they all have hair, and limbs as well, and that they speak using a manipulation of air and their nose, throats and mouths?? Oh are mine ridiculous? maybe that is because it is a ridiculously offensive comparison to draw anything between.

Wow, I've never seen so many comments pulled for having an opposing viewpoint. North Korea would be proud. :)

Final statement: As a Jew, I see this issue as absolutely too complicated to deserve the type of polarizing opinions that are spouted back and forth about it. People need to stop pretending there is a bad guy and a good guy, and a simple solution. Do I have any solutions? No. Why? Because not living in the Middle-East means my perspective on the crisis is second-hand, and warped via many media means. So should people in my (our) situation make overreaching opinionated statements about the situation unless they are directly involved? Probably not.

@27 Because all the equipment to manufacture those fuselages are already in SC or suppliers earlier in the food chain.

@26 comparing this to Warsaw, and Soweto disregards any sense of historical context. How don't you see that? Were the Jews prior to WWII calling for the extinction of Germany? No. . .

You say, "Exploiting relatively isolated incidents of violence" and then do not cite any reference to how this is a valid comparison between the historical events. Is your comparison between Hamas sending rockets into Israel on a daily basis and Jews going about their day to day lives in Germany???

Why can't people try to be rational?

@34 "Hamas could do that, but has chosen not to, it's a fairly simple situation."

Okay, so now that you pointed out the solution only works without Hamas. . . Maybe suggest an actual solution? Your 'solution' only works in a theorhetical world where Hamas suddenly chooses a different ideology, thus, making it not really such a simple solution. The 'not simple' part then being how is Hamas taken out of power in Palestine?

@34 But disregarding that one (fairly huge) aspect of the solution, the other steps seem like a good way to go.

@37 - Sure, its not an apples to apples comparison. In fact its kind of apples to rhinoceroses or worse. However, if the holocaust is going to keep getting trotted out by Israel every time they need to justify disproportionate violence then they should at the very least brace themselves for these comparisons. They asked for it. Also, since we are paying for this with our tax dollars just as much as we did the war in Iraq, we have every right to use hyperbole to express outrage over how the Israelis are conducting themselves with OUR FUCKING MONEY.

Now if you want to point out the hypocrisy of Charles condemning Israel, but taking it easy on Mugabe, then you'd be on to something.

@40 - You must be really fun at parties.

@41
"However, if the holocaust is going to keep getting trotted out by Israel every time they need to justify disproportionate violence then they should at the very least brace themselves for these comparisons."
They don't trot out the Holocaust. The murder of the Palestinian was condemned unequivocally. On the other hand there is no crime blacks commit, including against Jews, in which the race card isn't played. Charles has done this himself.

"Now if you want to point out the hypocrisy of Charles condemning Israel, but taking it easy on Mugabe, then you'd be on to something."
I did on several occasions and my comment was deleted. Charles has also posted on several occasions about how Palestinians and Jews are not treated equally in Israel. I posted a link that showed his half black daughter was not treated equally in this country- she has a 300% higher chance of being admitted to a college then an Asian or white student who has the same admission score. I asked him if he felt good that his daughter would get affirmative action at the expense of more disadvantaged Asians. I pointed out that Affirmative Action was supposed to be a kind of reparation for past injustices yet he is an upper middle class very education African immigrant (from a country practicing genocide against whites) and gets a racial advantages that should be going to poor blacks whose relatives were slaves in this country. I asked him how he felt about that. Deleted.

@41 I wish people in the USA would express their outrage by voting for new people rather than constantly re-electing the people who are choosing where taxes are spent! (as opposed to tweeting histrionic tweets back and forth). :)

@32 People need to stop pretending there is a bad guy and a good guy, and a simple solution.

There is no simple solution, other than to stop dropping bombs where there are civilians. There are no bad guys except for people who drop bombs where there are civilians.

@36 and how/why did that come to be?

Do you, the disgraceful person doing the censoring, at least have the balls to chime in and defend said censorship?

When a group participates in a war which seems to include intentional attacks on civilian targets and infrastructure such as UN schools (designated safe points!) and the only power plant in the Gaza Strip, they better expect comparisons to other instances of ethnic cleansing. And I say this as someone who was a week ago very sympathetic to the Israeli side. Look back, you'll find me defending them from the stupid attacks on them based on the theory that it must be awful because so few Israelis were dying. When you shell internationally designated safe places, and destroy the civilian infrastructure, you start losing a lot of support.

Again, I think the initial invasion to destroy Hamas tunnels was justified, but since the invasion has started, it seems to have spiraled out of control, and the Israelis seem to just be on a rampage now.

@48, You should know that regardless of one entity being an actual state and the other being a newspaper, the principal of censoring civil debate is equally repugnant. And the people who would defend state censorship are just as nauseating as those would defend a newspaper doing it.

Either you believe in civil debate or you don't. There are no caveats.

@50, the difference being the state censors with the threat of force behind it, so state censorship is just a notch above private censorship as far as repugnance goes.

@51, yet the core idea is the very same: prevent dissemination of an opposing view. The principal is the same, and thus equally repugnant. The argument could be made that a newspaper actively censoring civil debate is actually worse than a military-supported state doing so, since their very purpose is predicated on the idea of being an open conduit for information. The irony is just too great.

@10 - There was a piece a while back (here) that said that the best comments on the internet were from registered pseudonyms.

@24 - the real problem with your "simple plan" is that the Israelis haven't had any real intention of accepting a two state solution or ever ending their military occupation of the west bank...ever. It' s not Hamas who are the holdup; it's been the Israelis.

Maybe, just Maybe, Rabin could have sold it...until an ultra-orthodox settler radical assassinated him...not an "arab" or "muslim".

However bad the Israelis are now, they are still one stop short of industrial genocide; beyond that, the analogy is perfect.

@57, "such a way that it is allowed here" = agrees with the official views.

None of the dozen posts that were censored today were uncivil in the slightest way, unless, as I just said, opposing views are considered uncivil. They obviously are. Which is, indeed, quite repugnant.

@56, sounds like Hamas' wet dream.

Imagine if Boko Haram had more than machetes and rusty AK's.

Man, this thread sure brought out the racists and anti-Semites.

@26: That was cuntpasted directly from a 2003 FreeRepublic post. It's full of lies. Just as an example, the proclamation that "all Poles will disappear from the world" came from Himmler, not Hitler. Oops.

@59 - Arafat should have taken that deal, because it was likely as good as it was ever going to get.

However, it was not a true two state solution - the "73%" was a swiss cheese & Bantustan arrangement guaranteed to maintain Israeli occupation in all but name and effectively continued hegemony.

Yes, Arafat should have taken it, but let's not pretend it was an honest offer of a real "Palestine".

@46 Yes, I see where you're going here, but you're making a logical fallacy here. These are two different issues.

Charles wasn't talking about the establishment of Boeing South Carolina, he was talking about the well known choice to only build the 787-10 there. Unless you want to claim that the length of the 747-400 (the plane which the 747-LCF/Dreamlifter is based on) was designed such that the length of the internal cargo area was too short for the fuselage of the then future 787-10, of course. Then you're a crazy person.

These are two separate issues and as I said earlier, the whole thing is way more complicated than Charles bothers to let on. Had he done some basic research into this area, he would have known this.

@61 I'm calling BS on you.

The quote is from a 1981 book (revised 2001) titled; "Forgotten Holocaust: The Poles Under German Occupation, 1939-1944." (Page 3.)

The author is Richard C. Lukas, an American historian who served as a Research Consultant at the United States Air Force Historical Archives. Lukas receiving his Ph.D. from Florida State University in 1963. An academic, he taught at universities in Florida, Ohio and Tennessee.

He won the Janusz Korczak Literary Award from the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (1994) – a Jewish organization.

He won Polonia Restituta award from the Government of Poland (1988)

American Council for Polish Culture's Cultural Achievement Award (1994).

Your efforts to discredit other as lying – are disservice to justice for the innocent people (in Gaza, and in Israel alike) who are victims of extreme, nationalistic, militaristic, Fascism

Your mistake, of calling anyone who objects to Israeli policies and practices and being "anti-Jew," is a convenience of intellectual laziness and moral vacancy.

As long as the Nazis did the thinking for everyone, the answers seemed easy. So I can understand why its hard to come to grips with the Palestinian State, when you realize that you've allowed "leaders" to take you down the path to infamy.

It's likely that what the photograph actually shows was the cache of diaries and other documents being excavated from the Warsaw ghetto after WWII. If we didn't have those as evidence, we wouldn't have known anything except that hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed either there or in killing camps. But obviously Mudede hasn't read any of that material, because he needs to hate Jews.

@64: I'm calling BS right back on you.
The quote in question IS from Heinrich Himmler, not Adolf Hitler as you (and the guy who wrote the original FreeRepublic post in 2003) falsely claim. Mr. Lukas got it right, but you and whoever you stole that post from got it wrong.
I'm pointing to a basic inability to get the facts straight, not to mention the distasteful absence of critical thinking it takes to copy and paste someone else's words without reference or attribution. Formulate your own ideas instead of just repeating verbatim what some other yahoo wrote a decade ago.

I never said, as you claim, that "anyone who objects to Israeli policies and practices [is] being 'anti-Jew'". No, I simply referenced the presence of racist and anti-Semitic posts in this thread. If you think I equate opposition to current Israeli foreign policy with anti-Semitism, you clearly don't know me. (I'm a strong critic of the Likudniks in general and of their treatment of the Palestinians and kowtowing to settlers in particular.)

It's very funny that you decry those who let others do the thinking for them when you resort to plagiarizing a decade-old, inaccuracy-ridden blog post in order to make a point.

Wait, so I pull a well-documented quote from Himmler -- provide attribution to the author -- but missattribute the quote to Hitler, and so therefore it's irrelevant.

Yeah, huge difference between Hitler and the Reichsfuhrer and founder of the Einsatzgruppen.

I'll stand by my main point. You can stand by you apologists.

@68: What is relevant is that you plagiarized a post, concealed its origin, and didn't even bother to correct blatant errors. Those are not the actions of a man who thinks with his own head.
Honestly, I care more about your lie that I conflate opposition to Israeli foreign policy with being anti-Jew. I'm a pro-Israel Jew, a moderate Zionist if you will, but I strongly condemn the policies pursued by the Likudniks. You're just too damn ignorant to read a thing I say that doesn't jibe with your uh-pin-yuns.

How is it the plagiarization in a post when I put the quote – in quotations? And the post begins with a BLAZINGLY clear qualifier:

"Floating around the internets today is an interesting comparison."

Look, you yourself introduced the words "racist and anti-Semetic" into the conversation, when there's nothing of the sort in any of the comments. You might not like the stinging rebuke of Israel, but nothing comes even close to a suggestion of racial animus.

You're welcome to go fuck yourself no matter what your persuasion.

@70 - please consider taking your own advice, that last part especially.

@71

I'm surprised you didn't repeat "You must be fun at parties." – as you've nearly exhausted that tired meme in the absence of a marginally intelligent or original thought.

@70: "How is it the plagiarization in a post when I put the quote – in quotations? And the post begins with a BLAZINGLY clear qualifier:"
No attribution anywhere. Also, not actually IN QUOTATIONS.
"Look, you yourself introduced the words 'racist and anti-Semetic' [sic] into the conversation, when there's nothing of the sort in any of the comments."
One, you don't understand how direct quotations work. Two, read post #43 and get back to me.

@72 - You must be really fun at parties.