News Aug 10, 2014 at 8:44 am

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you can't get dragged into another war when you never got out of the 1st one. way to go, neocons. it was entirely your choice to open pandora's box.
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Old blood and guts McCain is complaining that bombing isn't enough. So predictable. He will never get enough charred and dismembered bodies.
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Has a black police officer ever mistakenly killed a white teenager?

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If we only had more gun control laws, that poor black teenager would still be alive.

It's easy access to guns that causes this sort of thing and universal background checks would be a good first step toward ending all gun violence in the U.S.
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I just skimmed Ansel's three links in the Iraq item, but I didn't see any mention in them of an important point: we are now bombing to destroy weapons WE brought to Iraq and then "gave" to the Iraqis because it was too big a PITA to remove when we left—and besides, spending another few hundred billion to do so on top of the $2-4 trillion in unavoidable long-term costs (Dumsfeld/Cheney/Wolfowitz in 2003: ~$50B tops) just seemed, well, irresponsible: http://latest.com/2014/08/us-bombing-wea…

And don't forget the many tons of C4 the U.S. left unguarded early in the war while they scampered about looking for WMD. Where did those insurgents get the raw materials for IEDs, anyway? It's a head-scratcher.
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Pepper spray at Westlake Park: "Activists Protest Bombing of Gaza and innocent passerby harassed by pro Israel opposition and arrested" http://thedignityvirus.com/2014/08/09/ac…
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if people are swimming at night, the city should put a lifeguard or two on the lake, END of discussion. it's not that costly. many of them are near min wage positions! give them radios and a little boat with an electic motor, too.
there are tons of 20 year old kids who can do it! and don't we want the park used, if people want to swim at night that's great, let's enable it not stand by letting people die. more and more are swimming at night activating this space making it "vibrant." they are on floats. they are without floats. they are on SU boards. they are on kayaks. some are good swimmers. some are not. some are drunk, some are not. if they are doing it we should be providing a couple of lifeguards. heck if this draws out 100 nighttime swimmers at the legit swimming areas, I say good! pay for mor lifeguards. you can pay for it by selling the surplus land on ashworth they stupidly use for a freaking garage when little tiny 5000 SF lots would bring in $400K each easy. they could consolidate on half their lot sell the rest and pay for lifeguards then we get more swimming hours that are safe. win, win win, but oh wait, parks dept. is not accountable.
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we need to save those yazidis. the ISIS thing wants to rape then sell into slavery many women. prior wrongs don't count, though we did them and this isn't the same war. or the same reason. SOME force is okay, this could be or is one of those times, for humanitarian reasons.

if you were one of them about to be sold into slavery you'd agree. western notions of human rights rock, and are customary international law now, and we have the right and ability to stave off the killing of thousands of yazidis too. I never even heard of them, but all people have rights, not just liberals in seattle. thank you for reading.
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@4, I know this is going to come as a shock to you, but police need not have guns most of the time. Reducing police access to hammers might not prevent them from seeing black men as nails, but it would certainly prevent them from executing so many people.
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At least we're continuing our creation of new generations of terrorists in Gaza and Iraq. So when a terrorist ties a dirty bomb to themselves 20 years from now and takes out part of Yankee Stadium can we at least pretend not to know why they hate us so much? Can we at least not have our heads that far up our collective asses?
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@ 12 you should leave that comment over at the Times or KIRO where people who need to read that go. I would guess at least 97% of us here know that already.
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I can't believe people think that there weren't this many beatings and killings of black youth twenty, thirty, or forty years ago. There just wasn't any news coverage until the internet came along.
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Regarding the Polley Mine wastewater spill:

The [former] impoundment dam shows up in Google Maps topographic view at the center here. Zoom out and/or switch to satellite view to see the location relative to the rest of BC and what it looked like beforehand.

The spill went largely into the Quesnel River, a major tributary of the Fraser River, which of course empties into the Salish Sea at Vancouver, BC. The Fraser's enormous watershed is shown on this map. That map is from a site that extensively discusses existing and planned Kinder Morgan "tar sands" pipeline segments and tanker routes, well worth your time to consider on its own for Puget Sound relevance. (Lake Okanagan, where The Stranger's Katie Allison is currently vacationing near Kelowna, sits in a neighboring drainage, not the Fraser's.)

Imperial Metals' president says he'd drink from the tailings pond contents—"Pour him a tall one!" is the comment from the Indian Country news site, and I agree.

How will it affect the salmon? Hard to say at this point. More links:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/canada/n…

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/reeltimeno… (Posted after the spill, but reporting on an Aug. 1 meeting.)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co…
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Check out who has an article up on the Guardian (showed up front and center for me on the website)

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree…
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@12
Best thing to do in Iraq would be to immobilize ISIS in whatever means possible including using weapons of death. The problem is that the Iraq govt is incapable of effective action.
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@16: Strangely, Miss Henderson writes:
The “post-racial” society is an intellectual refuge for white Americans, who largely benefit from racism even when they’re unwilling or unable to admit it.

Rather than being an intellectual refuge, it is an ideal or goal. Is making peace in the world an intellectual refuge or is it only altruistic endeavors over racism that is an intellectual refuge. Is it also an intellectual refuge if you are yourself black and you talk about it or is it only an intellectual refuge if you are white and talk about it.
Whatever, with sanctimonious attitude's like Miss Henderson's its own racist elements we are assured that a post-racial America will never be a reality - and I suspect that is actually her preferred intellectual refuge.
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@17: LOL As opposed to what? Weapons of annoyance? Mild irritation?
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@8 thanks for that. i was there and when handing out flyers, was told by an irate pedestrian "i don't like hamas, fat ass." some people get really angry when their white colonial supremacist dream world is challenged. p.s. my ass is actually proportional to the rest of my body. doubly in error, he was.
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@14, a century ago newspaper in the south would write up lists of "missing" people and outright linchings. The papers got a free or flat rate to ride the trains north where the stories would be purchased and often reprinted, even though major newspapers didn't usually go and report, and often still don't.
It was regularly reported.
Then it wasn't regularly reported.
Now we are self reporting to each other the thing that didn't actually go away.
Newspapers and trains.
Smartphones and twitter.

The question always is, now that we know, what should we do about it?
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@18: Are you intentionally ignoring the fact that she is referring to people who claim we live in a post-racial society? That's why it is placed in quotations, to indicate that it is "so called" rather than actual. What I mean is, you have so completely missed the point that it makes one suspect purpose.
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@23: Post-racial has always been a concept, and quotation marks are often used to express concepts. It really makes no difference with or without them. I didn't miss any of her pathetically cynical points.
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@19, sweetheart.

Political weapons.
(Maybe you have never heard the term.)
My point is that from what I have read I do not think that there is a political solution for ISIS. No compromise possible. Its leadership must be destroyed. Killed.
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@20, "some people get really angry when their white colonial supremacist dream world is challenged" -- so are you claiming that people who don't like Hamas are white colonial supremacists living in a dream world? Good god, what a stupid comment. Go read something instead of handing out your flyers.
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@25: So tell me. That arm chair from which you do your quarterbacking, is it a wingback? A BarcaLounger? A good old fashioned American La-Z-Boy recliner?
I think your Just Kill Them (tm) solution, is, to put it charitably, flawed at the very least.
Which is not say I don't understand the frustration from which your "solution" springs. It's a crazy complicated fucked up situation, and it is very tempting to just throw up one's hands and say "Fuck it, just kill them".
Thankfully, at least for the most part, those to whom dealing with this mess are tasked are more measured and informed in their analysis than we here on Slog.
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@19 This part was about you:

The idea that we could somehow eliminate racism by ignoring race to some extent stopped people from talking about either, and allowed the systemic effects of racism to flourish in a space in which no one wanted to admit it existed at all.
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I meant @17, damnit.
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@30: Phew! You had me worried! :)

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