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Meh, she's right though.

Dreaming big is fine, as long as you can also operate in the real world where 50% +- x% of the rest of the country are completely opposed to all your big dreams and you're forced to compromise.

Go ahead and dream big and talk big, but then wake back up and take all the tiny, unimpressive, little victories you can get and be proud of them because in the real, awake world, that's all you're going to get. If you spend all your time pouting about the Grand Victory you didn't get because your opponents fought you tooth and nail (as they always do), then you're not fit to be a national leader.
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The last paragraph here sounds a good point. Why in the FUCK would I vote for someone whose whole campaign involves scaling back progressive expectations? If your only answer to Sanders' call for single-payer is "We're not Europe", I'll stay home on election day.

For me, it's Bernie or no one. What a slimy fucking hack she is.
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boo fucking hoo. have you listened to the shit that Bernistas throw at Hillary? I heard the same accusations in 1998.

here's a compelling argument she hasn't used, for fear of offending the feewings of old voters: Bernie is fucking Seventy-Four, 75 on election day. he'd be the old person elected POTUS by 6 years. and Reagan, the current record holder, was gormless in his 2nd term.

yeah, call me an Ageist.
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@4 Hillary is 69, 70 on Election Day. Which means she'd be the oldest president by one year. Look at Reagan, the current record holder. He was gormless in his second year.
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@6 Or, 68 turning 69.
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I expect the the Clintonites will rapidly become more desperate, shrill, and irrational as the campaigns drag on. Voters know HILLARY very well and are not enthusiastic about her maintaining the status quo that's made her rich.

She's has a highly lucrative gig as a motivational speaker for psychopathic oligarchs, and she also happens to be running for president. Not a compelling case to make, that's for sure.
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@ 2, Do RepubliKKKans get elected by telling their bug-eyed, hair-pulling voters to just put up and shut up? No, they promise to cut all taxes, outlaw abortion, and exterminate the Mexicans and the homos.

Telling voters upfront that they can suck it is not a winning Democratic strategy.
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Also, @4 You must mean 2008 not 1998. Because she was still FLOTUS in 1998, if memory serves.

Anyways, just because 8 years have passed since you last heard the criticisms, doesn't mean the same statements aren't true. For instance, her voting for the Iraq War and PATRIOT Act (twice!!) over the course of her Senate career doesn't magically disappear because she became Secretary of State. That's like saying "Hey, I know that George Zimmerman shot that kid in 2012. But, that was four years ago. I'm sure he's a good guy now."
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@3:

Because pie-in-the-sky optimism doesn't mean jack in the political arena, as @2 quite correctly points out. There's a good reason Otto Von Bismark coined the phrase, "politics is the art of the possible", because effective governance requires compromise; you fight for your ideals, but in the end you still have to work with the opposition if you want to actually get things done. "My way or the highway" is pretty much guaranteed to result in gridlock, because our system is set up to not only allow a single Senator to throw a metaphorical sabot into the legislative machinery, but to make it as difficult as possible to extract it once it's in there. So, pragmatism has to be the modus operandi, otherwise, even in the best of circumstances nothing gets done - and we are far from the best of circumstances in our current political climate.
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Here's something Party Unity My Ass!! Remember that from 2008? And it wasn't the Obama supporters pulling that shit out of their asses. It was the Clinton supporters.

If Hillary is the nominee while scaling back any expectations that we can catch up with Western Europe fuck it...I'm staying home on election day. God knows Gov. Inslee isn't much of a reason to show up and vote.

PARTY UNITY MY ASS!!!
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Yes, let's tone police the female candidate. Thanks guys.
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Remember when Hilary used race baiting against Obama during the Primaries of 2008? Good times. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12…
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Sorry, if you are willing to sit back and let President Trump happen on account of your 'progressive ideals', you are a petulant twit.
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@3: taking your ball and going home, then? I think you'd enjoy Hillary's presidency more than Cruz.
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@5, 6: in general, women last longer than men. so yeah, she's older than I want my POTUS to be, but I think her longevity is a better bet than Sander's.

@10: no, I remember 1998, too. she's being saddled with Bill's policy failures and infidelities as well.
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I just wanted to drop by and say that I didn't think anyone could be worse at writing about American politics than Paul Constant but I was way, way wrong.
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@9,
Republicans get elected by:
1) Running in gerrymandered districts, and
2) Doing everything they can to disenfranchise voters.

In big, general elections where they've failed to disenfranchise voters, republicans tend to lose.

All their promises are sort of meaningless. They rarely accomplish anything they say they're going to do, not in a grand scheme anyway. They only accomplish bits and pieces of their promises in tiny victories. Death by a thousand paper cuts.
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This I think was what helped move me away from HRC to BHO eight years ago. She's running the same campaign, and she's losing me again by doing so.
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It's a presidential campaign, Matt, not a water balloon fight.
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Waiting for my Coates article on Hilary Clinton and reparations....
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@ 20, I'm not talking about what happens after they get elected, I'm saying that they generate turnout by telling their voters that they effectively support their ideals and will follow through with them. This is why they control Congress, and the majorities of state governorships and legislatures. Well, that and the fact that there's a huge number of horrid, sadistic, hate-crazed old white people that need to just die off already.

When Democrats tell their voters to give up and just accept that their goals can't be achieved, it kills turnout and volunteering real quick.
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Bernie's not going to get nominated (and yes, he is too old, and that's said by someone who's near his age), and Trump's not going to get nominated.

So who would you vote for: Clinton or Cruz? That's the real decision. The other crap doesn't matter.
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@12: Well, since Washington is a solid blue state I'm sure the state's electoral votes will go to the Democrat nominee; so you can stay at home and pout without too much guilt.
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Bern will persevere. Clinton will lose. Medicare-for-all is coming to the United States.
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@12:

And it's precisely that sort of attitude that allows the GOP to run roughshod over the electorate at the local and state levels. Keep in mind: you don't HAVE to vote on every race or ballot measure for the ones you DO vote on to be counted. If you simply cannot stomach voting for HRC in the general election, should she be the Democratic nominee, there are plenty of down-ballot candidates who could still benefit from your vote.
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@27:

Care to wager on those outcomes?
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Seriously, do you think either one is going to lose to Trump/Cruz/Rubio?

Right now, it's a battle for the Republicans to win the national election. The national electorate, including the establishment, isn't the same group taking Foghorn Leghorn to the Republican convention.
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@28: No, it's that the GOP espouses the viewpoints of its base, whereas the Ds just don't even care about progressives.
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@25- As someone who votes in the primaries I do have to think about who I vote for in the primaries. Good lord, do you even understand what order the votes take place in?
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@27,

You're delusional.

Tepid as it is, Obamacare just barely managed to pass the house and senate during a democratic majority. How, exactly, do you think Bernie is going to give you "Medicare-for-all" and get it passed a now republican controlled house and senate?

While I agree with the sentiment that Medicade-for-all would be a great thing, there is zero chance of that happening any time in the near future. The best we can hope for is any democrat being elected so they can continue to veto more attempts by the republicans to get rid of any health care at all.
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@33 You are clueless. By all accounts Bernie can only get elected by a broad populist wave that will change congress. If your plan is to continue having 40% turnout to vote during midterms you might as well forget it.
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@29 Would your wager have been the same one year ago when you all polished your crystal balls to assess that Sanders had 0 chances?
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@11 "politics is the art of the possible"

Precisely and what we have seen for the last 30+ years is that it is impossible to run a neoliberal candidate under the guise of a lesser evil and stop moving to the right.
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obama didn't ever support the public option. never did it. he was the face of the dem party and his message was forget the public option or any of that single payer shit. made it easy for dems to cozy up with insurance co. lobbyists.
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Sanders has been much more effective in Congress than Clinton has, and he has a track record of working with Republicans and earning Republican votes. If you want a visionary, vote Sanders. If you want a pragmatist who can get things done... still vote Sanders.
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With me it's not so much about the mean things Clinton says about Bernie Sanders, those are lies and just wrong. No, it's more about her message. Since when has it been wrong in America to dream big? Dreaming big used to define us. Since when have we given up on "Hope and Change"? What happened to "Yes We Can!"? What happened to "The Audacity of Hope"? I will vote for any Republican but the Clinton one in the General Election.

Please wait...

and remember to be decent to everyone
all of the time.

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