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Re: 7:21 pm - No, he did say "... lucky to be alive."
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More torture! More carpetbombing! Good god. It sounds like they were all bragging about how many war crimes they plan to commit. Good Christians one and all!

These debates used to be funny, but this shit is just revolting. The whole lot of them disgusts me.
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As long as they have the money, there's no inherent reason for any of the candidates to pull out before the convention, given how unconventional this election cycle is.
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I wonder what the ratings are for this shit. I can only hope my fellow Americans are out enjoying dinner and a movie.
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Rubio go BOOM.

He'll be back, though. He's a sneaky little shit, just like Niedermayer.
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On the bungled entrance, I believe my exact words were "Keystone Kandidates"

@2: Word.
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Maybe Rubio just needed a glass of water.
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Noooooooooo this horrible. Jeb and Kasich played off each other brilliantly. It's my worst nightmare coming true.

Kasich and Jeb come in second and third in New Hampshire. Doesn't matter the order or whose first (Trump, and Cruz were/are never going to be President). The Bush family pulls some ugly shit in S.C. like they always do. And suddenly we have a Republican ticket that could actually win. Doesn't matter the order.

Hence I change my prediction either Bush or Kasich will get the nomination. Bush won't VP for Kasich doesn't need to. However the Bush family machine will mass behind Kasich so if he wins it doesn't matter the Bush family is still in.

Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck I knew it would come down to this.

Yeah I know after the last Republican debate I thought it be Bush/Rubio. But I was wrong.

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Dramatic much, Machiavelli?
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Republicans are horrible people.
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Someone on Gawker said the video of the bungled entrance was much better with Benny Hill music. So I muted the debate and played Yakety Sax from youtube against it. It was fantastic.
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@7: No, whoever wins the presidency wins 270 electoral votes first. Nobody can tell you who that person will be - even whether it's a D or R, nobody. Take a sedative.
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@10: You have already said that, dozens of times, for over ten years now. You're as repetitive as Marco Rubio.
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>racist

>anti-Muslim

we're still doing this?
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Trump: "I will bring jobs back from China"

Should be easy for him... http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Business/…
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Catalina is just consistent in her position, raindrop. Hard to complain about that, no?
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Interesting article in the NYT: Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright Sc…

Steinem and Albright appear to feel that all young women should vote for Clinton because she's a woman, that even if these young women prefer the ideas that Sanders has, they should vote for Clinton anyway because gender-solidarity trumps that.

I wonder if Steinem and Albright felt the same way about any black people who supported Clinton in 2008. I wonder if, back then, they felt that all these black people should be supporting Obama out of racial solidarity, that it was wrong for any of them to prefer Clinton's ideas.
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Of the remaining Republican candidates who have a reasonable shot at getting the nomination, who do you think poses the greatest threat to Clinton or Sanders?
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@16: I know. I shouldn't be so sensitive. Just that I remain a Republican even though I'll be voting for Hillary it is just a temporary deviation until my beloved party heals. Every time she writes that it's like cold ice water being poured onto my heart.
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Real Clear Politics put together some clips of Marco's repetitions.
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Raindrop dear, you seem like a decent enough person, so it's time to face facts - your party left you. The reason you are voting for Hillary Clinton is because she is pretty much an old-school Republican. So is Obama, for that matter. The Democratic party let itself get taken over by the Rockefeller Republicans, just as the GOP let themselves get taken over by the Idiot fringe of Birchers, Libertarians and Prosperity Gospel Christians.

Bernie Sanders is the true heir to the Democratic legacy, and if he succeeds, he may be able to bring the Democratic party back to its base. If not, I would hope that the Progressives try to get back to basics and work on electing people to state houses and house seats. I don't have a whole lot of faith in them having that sort of discipline, but we'll see.

But in the meantime, Just remember: Republicans are horrible people.
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19/raindrop: @16: I know. I shouldn't be so sensitive. Just that I remain a Republican even though I'll be voting for Hillary

There are Democrats and Republicans who demonize people on "the other side." In contrast, there are those who strongly disagree with people on "the other side" but don't demonize them.

From what I've read, more and more people are falling into that first camp.

Here's an article from 2014 in The Atlantic; Why Americans Are So Polarized: Education and Evolution: Improvements in learning—which correlates with stronger partisanship—and the tendency to choose likeminded mates may be helping to create divided politics.
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Catalina @24 is exactly correct. The parties change over time. They are not static or fixed. Neither party is the same as it was when we were young. Both parties have shifted quite a bit to the right in the last 20-30 years.

Bernie represents what would have been a mainstream democrat in the 1960s. Hillary is more like a Goldwater republican than an old style democrat. All of the current republicans would have been laughed out of the 1960s republican party as extreme right-wing lunatics that should not be taken seriously.

Bill Clinton started the democrats on a path to retake the center, and as a result shifted the democrats rightward. Reagan, Cheney, and operatives like Karl Rove actively courted the religious right, whom the old republican party mostly ignored, which resulted in an abandonment of the center over time, and an embrace of more and more extreme right wing views, until now an idiot like Marco Rubio is considered a mainstream republican.

This all leads to people like Raindrop, who probably considered himself a moderate republican 20 years ago, and who deludes himself in thinking that he still is, floundering in a party that has moved away from him.

Some day the republican party may decide to try to recover the center, but this is not the year.
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There isn't much difference between Republicans and Putin, except there's no single governing entity yet. There would have to be a duel between the Koch Brothers and Karl Rove.
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Compare this to Matt Baume's debate liveslog. So much better on every possible front--more entertaining, more informative, more thoughtful. And it's nothing special, really.

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