Ugh. Creeeeeepy. Megasympathies, Anon.

[The] King County Prosecutor's Office dropped the assault charges against you due to the "he said, she said" nature of the complaint (despite the photos the officer took of my bruises and the documented black eye I sported for a week following your drunken Early Man impression).

I don't buy it. Domestic violence is a high priority that is most certainly prosecuted. You sound like a Drama Queen, and perhaps that's the determination that both the police and the prosecutor made...

A few years ago, a lesbian woman righteously defended herself and her family from a bigot on the bus with a gun. It sounds like this guy is seeking to escalate again, and the system has demonstrated that it won't help you even after he already harmed you. So take a page out of her book. Good luck!

A few years ago, a lesbian woman righteously defended herself and her family from a bigot on the bus with a gun.

You know very well that that is not exactly the way that shooting went down. Fact is, it was just another nut with a gun who over-reacted to a non-violent situation. Yes, she *happened* to be a lesbian, but the fact is she was also a bat-shit crazy gun nut with a history of simular over-reactions...

Looks like the COCAINE and MALT LIQUOR is flowing freely again...

Ziffy, is it your mission in life to shit up every thread where domestic violence is mentioned, and thus convince everyone who encounters you that you are by far the biggest attention whore on slog? Because if so, well done boy.

Lotta real Men's Men out there. Call the wahmbulance for them!

You're a sheeple asshat, Dr. M.

Oooh! Oooh! Look, the little attention whore knows a swear word! He's stamping his feet! He might curse again!

Get a new hobby, or get used to the feeling of my boot in your ass.

On the one hand, if an anonymous person takes the time to write to the internet about it, you gotta assume it went down exactly like she says it did.

On the other hand, as an enthusiastic supporter of gay rights, the man in question doesn't fit the profile of cop, failed conservative politician, professional athlete, or R&B singer, who together account for 99.99% of all domestic violence crimes.

Tough call indeed...

Well apparently Arthur can't read. This wasn't a case of domestic violence. Did you miss the bit about the OP being at an R-74 event with their partner? Or the fact that the assailant would not be directly affected by R-74, implying that the assailant wasn't gay, and that the OP was.

Stop being so fucking stupid.

@12: that's like asking him to stop huffing glue. Ain't gonna happen.

im totally confused on the gender of some folks involved here...is this a man who punched a woman, or a man who punched a man?

and is the victim at the 74 rally with a male partner or female partner?

and was the victim dating the puncher?

so confused.

It could be a regular old assault, not domestic violence. Or it could be that the author is a bi woman, and was in a relationship with this man before and is now in a relationship with a woman. Or maybe some other situation entirely. Whatever the details, the guy sounds like scum and I hope he heeds the restraining order.

The usage of the word sheeple is a signifier of someone to be ignored.

@17: or roundly and repeatedly mocked.

Amen to that. I have yet to meet anyone who uses the word "sheeple" unironically, who ever says anything worth listening to.

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Oh come on all you Ziffy haters. Get a sense of humor already. I love the cocaine and malt liquor schtick. He just likes being contrarian and pushing people's buttons. Seems like he's good at it!

P.S. I love this week's artwork--hahahahaha

Get that restraining order renewed and stay safe, Anon.

I think I bring up some valid points. True, they go against the "politically correct" view, but that doesn't mean they are not valid and possible even - gasp - correct.

Look, I.A. screeds are usually shrill and one-sided. Almost certainly most of them leave out significant information or are written through the blinders of skewed perspective.

I think I bring up some valid points.

I'm sure you do, attention whore.

Unfortunately for you, this isn't the special olympics or a 2nd-grade spelling bee: you don't get a medal just for showing up.

@15: Male assailant / Female victim / Female partner / Assailant and victim NEVER dated

@2: Charges were dropped due to insufficient testimony on victim's behalf; assailant's girlfriend (whose home the incident took place) provided sworn testimony against victim and the victim stupidly did not insist on the police interviewing the assailant who was safely ensconced indoors when the the cops were hailed. There was confusion, a concussion and everyone was (supposedly) amongst friends. But nice use of italics. Thanks for playing.

24: Well then it's funny how you only actually point out IA screeds being "shrill and one-sided" when they happen to be women writing about assault. Every other time you just make that tired old "COCAINE and MALT LIQUOR" joke and move on. But the second it's a woman writing about a man doing something violent or sleazy, shit gets SERIOUS.

I wonder what your sore spot is. Do you have some kind of rape charge you're unhappy about? Your bitterness towards women doesn't exactly suggest an ability to get consensually laid, after all.

@26 thanks! clears up a lot!

so how does the victim get a NCO againstthe dude if there was not enough evidence to charge the dude?

and if she really was a victim of the dude, and the courts wouldnt charge him, she should have filed civil complaint against him. sued for damages , pain and suffering etc.

If the restraining order doesn't work you may want to try a restraining odor.

I remember being innocent. Blindly supporting any woman that made claims of domestic violence. I also believed that no one would possibly lie about being a victim.... Then I got divorced. Her inner Dr Suess emerged, she sure showed me. Money, spent. Record? Yes.

She sure showed me. If your story is bullshit, fuck you too.

On second thought, I think your story is bullshit. Here's why,

WA State takes domestic violence prosecution to insane levels every day. An alleged victim can disappear, change their story, even begin to babble insanely and the city will press charges. The accused can hide for as long as they want to hide, be interviewed or not interviewed and charges will get filed. The accused can have as many witnesses as they want, they will still get charged.

There is actually no way on earth that someone in the greater Seattle area can be accused of domestic violence and not get arrested and charged. Accused not there? They will wait. They will wait for as long as it takes.

The problem with lies is that their lies. This story is bullshit. It just sucks that somewhere right now, someone really needs some fucking help but shit heads are taking the resources on bullshit claims. Yeah, fuck you too.

LMAO @anyone insisting all serious domestic abuse calls are prosecuted. Anywhere on earth.

31: That's how all charges are supposed work: If you're accused of a crime and it's not obviously fake, you get charged, and then your guilt or innocence is determined via trial. If you're guilty, you're convicted.

What you're saying is that domestic violence claims, specifically, should be intermittently ignored because your ex-wife is a bitch.

So on the contrary: fuck YOU.

@31, you nailed it. Exactly my point. The "story" is bull shit. The A.I. is simply a drama queen.

BonaFish passed the following noxious gas:

I wonder what your sore spot is. Do you have some kind of rape charge you're unhappy about? Your bitterness towards women doesn't exactly suggest an ability to get consensually laid, after all.

Ah yes, the old "when did you stop beating your wife" nonsense that morons like you always fall back on when you have no valid argument...

Yeah, prosecutors really go out of their way to put guys with domestic violence charges behind bars....opps, wait, they don't! Clearly you morons never heard of Crawford v. Washington. Domestic violence charges are light slap on the wrist if they are actually prosecuted at all!

"The survey of West Coast prosecutors found that in 82 percent of respondents’ jurisdictions, more than half of domestic violence charges are misdemeanors."
http://www.law.umich.edu/library/spotlig…

"Given that there is no evidence besides the 911 call that directly implicates the husband as the cause of the wife’s injuries, prosecutors would be unlikely even to file a case against the husband, let alone convict him."
http://lawweb.usc.edu/why/students/orgs/…

In some parts of the state, attorneys and judges still view domestic battery as an interpersonal problem instead of a crime, said Sarah Terwelp, executive director of Women's Transitional Care Services in Lawrence.
'Topeka resident Tara Balch says that's the way she felt she was treated in Jefferson County after an incident in early April in which she was battered by her then-boyfriend. She said she got a broken nose, two black eyes, a chipped tooth and handprint-shaped bruises on her back.
"It was a full-out beating," she said. "I was literally and legitimately scared for my life."
When she met with county prosecutor Michael Hayes, she learned her boyfriend would be given a chance to apply for diversion and have his charge dropped.
"The prosecuting attorney seemed to think that it was two drunken people hitting each other," Balch said. "He told me he was dropping charges, and I began to cry. ... He said this was his policy - to drop charges on the first offense."
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/aug/24…

Y.F. Redux, cherry-picking a few notable cases does not prove your case, only your bias.

35: I don't really need a "valid" argument when the shit I'm arguing against is "WOMEN are lying WHORES! Those BITCHES!!"

Pretty much anything in opposition to your woman-hating bullshit is gonna be valid.

Also I notice you didn't answer my question. Although maybe it wasn't rape though; maybe it's just public masturbation at the gym. Was that it? Maybe some chick chalked that up to rape and that's why you're so mad?

@30: To set your mind at ease, this was assault but not "domestic violence". The victim and accused were acquainted but not in any sort of relationship beyond casual friends. The physical assault occured in the home of the accused girlfriend, who obviously stood by her man and swore on a stack of bibles that he was innocent. without testimony from a witness aside from the victim, the PA felt she did not have a case. Sure, the victim could have filed civil charges and now perhaps she will.

Dear #33,
I would love to buy tickets to your fantasy world. That place sounds fantastic. Almost like Disneyland or Laurelhurst. Perhaps you have never realized that untold many upon many people are innocent and convicted as well as plenty still that are super guilty but do not get convicted. If you were unaware of this, sorry to burst your bubble. Additionally, the level of justice served is directly affected by how much money your are able to 'invest' in the case. That said, I hope that you never have to experience the ego shattering effects of a conviction you didn't 'earn'.

But yes, my ex wife is a bitch. Something it sounds like you two have in common.

ps, thx for clearing that up for me #39.

40: At what point did I claim that false convictions NEVER happen? Work on your reading comprehension and then read my post again. Or better yet, I'll spell it out for you:

The solution to false accusations or false convictions is NOT to ignore a certain type of crime because the accuser is "probably" a lying bitch. All crimes have to be investigated, all accused criminals have to be given a trial, and in order for that to happen they all have to be charged. "Charged" and "convicted" are not the same thing. As far as innocent people being convicted goes, this is not unique to domestic abuse charges; it's a universal kink in the justice system whose solution is more complicated than merely assuming that certain crime victims are probably crying wolf.

In fact, when it comes to domestic violence, the exact opposite of your alleged problem is extremely common (that is, abusers never being charged). If you believe otherwise, then I'm not the one living in a fantasy world here.

Wow. 41.

"...Perhaps you have never realized that untold many upon many people are innocent and convicted as well as plenty still that are super guilty but do not get convicted...."

This is a general statement as it relates to the flawed justice system. Nothing about domestic violence or violent men or rape or any of your favorite troll rantings. Merely a statement of fact.

Fact is, I envy your lack of understanding of the justice system.

ps- It sucks whatever someone must have done to you. I am sorry that you suffer. That however is no excuse to become a complete See You Next Tuesday. At the very least you come off as a horrible person. Have a better tomorrow.

31: That's how all charges are supposed work: If you're accused of a crime and it's not obviously fake, you get charged, and then your guilt or innocence is determined via trial. If you're guilty, you're convicted.

What you're saying is that domestic violence claims, specifically, should be intermittently ignored because your ex-wife is a bitch.

So on the contrary: fuck YOU.
Posted by Bonefish on December 1,

...Not sure what the hell you speak of. Dear Troll, whenever directing someone to improve basic reading comprehension, please make sure that you can in fact read.

Bonefish? Don't forget to take your meds.

Oh, you guys. This thread is almost as good as the ones in Sock Puppet Theatre.

http://sockpuppettheatre.com/

So which character is this Ziffarelli chap? I'm not sure yet, but it's pretty obvious he's been on the internet too long, and sadly, does not know of a world without it.

Yes, my lack of blind hatred towards anything with a vagina clearly makes ME look like the miserable one here. Here's what "happened" to me: I grew a brain and a spine, and as a result this pathetic "men are the REAL victims" rhetoric doesn't appeal to me. It disgusts me because I see it for the pathetic, ball-less whining that it is.

Your entire complaint is that people can accuse you of crimes and that results in those alleged crimes being investigated (requiring your charge and arrest). That they don't just take your word that you're innocent and ignore the claims of your accuser:

"There is actually no way on earth that someone in the greater Seattle area can be accused of domestic violence and not get arrested and charged."

That didn't sound like a context-free factual statement about the justice system in general, did it? It sounds like you were bitching that being accused of domestic violence (like any crime) leads to arrest, charge, and investigation. Complaining about that implies that it shouldn't happen (I shouldn't have to explain this to someone old enough to be married & divorced).

The only part that shouldn't have happened is the accusation, and that's on your shitty ex; not "women," not "the justice system." The arrest, charge, and investigation absolutely should have happened (once again, as it should with every type of crime). The (purported) universal application of these steps is not what's wrong with the justice system.

If you want to bitch about how horrible your ex was, I'm all ears. But if you want to claim that the state should pursue domestic violence crimes with less fervor than other crimes because women can't be trusted, then you're simply being idiotic (not to mention ignorant of domestic violence issues in general). A person doesn't have to be crazy or bitter to react to that type of idiocy with contempt.

In fact, just the opposite: I think YOUR position is motivated by blind bitterness that stops you from seeing how not all (or even most) domestic violence victims are just faking it like your ex, and the state can't just assume to know from the get-go which ones are faking it (and neither can you). When someone is wrongfully accused of a crime, I get pissed at the accuser. Not at other alleged victims of the same crime, and not at the idea that all those claims are investigated and all suspects charged and tried.

Interestingly, HellboundAlleee, I don't even have a "smart phone". I spend at most an hour a day on the Intertubes.

Wow, Bonefish, was this YOUR "A.I."? Or are you a typical man-hater "wronged" lesbian Seattalite?

47: Back from the gym already, eh? You don't last very long do you?

Put me in Bonefish's camp. Both Arthur and Where's-"my ex-wife is a bitch (ever think that one's on you a little?)"-The Love are men scorned who, because of their own personal choices in affiliating with shitty people, doubt any woman who makes a claim that she has been harmed. Even though the vast majority of DV and rape goes unreported, they will continue to think this, and are incapable of showing even the slightest bit of compassion for them. At least Arthur. I don't know much about WTL aside from his current arguments.

Also, there's nothing about DV in this anon. It was an assault, plainly. It could be all men in this case ("he said, she said" is a common expression for hearsay). Your interpretation that it's a lying female crying DV is, like everything else you say, super sexist and therefore not respectable in the slightest. You assumed way too much from the beginning to argue otherwise.

Bonefish, I don't know where to start here...

I never, let me reiterate, never, ever suggested that dv is a victims fault or should not be prosecuted. What I am doing is taking a blind attempt towards conversation with an obviously angry turned overly aggressive man hater. I'll go farther and level with you, I prefer girls to guys as well.

Nowhere in any of these posts have I mentioned blaming women or that police should not pursue these calls. Fact is, not all dv victims are women. That may hurt you to realize but there are reports of aggressive violent women.

What I advocate, strongly, is that in the event an accuser is found to have used the system as a tool for revenge or jealous retribution that they then be held accountable for all costs related to the false claim as well as be convicted of false reporting and sued for conspiracy to deny another citizens civil rights.

I stated disgust that resources are wasted on bullshit cases which in turn deny another the help that they actually need. Whether that help be because they were mugged, burglarized, a victim of auto theft or any other wide range of law enforcement duties. I remain hopeful that through honest communication, equal accountability standards and compassion this city may become less jaded.

Create less shitty people through understanding. Violence is wrong in all capacities. Violence is violence. The dv laws distort that fact and expand it to insane levels where a swear word can equal dv. Not actual violence mind you, but a word.

Kids gloves removed though, if you for a hot second think that OUR justice system cannot be improved, you stand as one of the reasons it is slow to be improved. Which is why I bid a final fuck you too you Bonefish. My shitty troll companion. Get over yourself and try to enjoy life.

I'll bet you'll find that a majority of men don't hate women, they just don't like you. Not because you're ugly, gay, angry or whatever you choose to label yourself. But because you don't like yourself. That's what your aggressive attempts to misinform, misunderstand and misinterpret have shown me. A shitty little self loathing troll.

#49, I did misunderstand the original post to be a relationship based disagreement. And yes I did make a poor choice in partnering as it relates to my ex wife. I paid for that mistake and continue to pay for that mistake to this day.

Honestly, Bonefish's rants about women hating hooked me into the conversation as it turned into this dv discussion.

However, my contentions towards the biased pursuit of domestic violence cases are not based on hate issues. I have witnessed bias that exists in these cases. Violence is never the answer. But violence is violence. And far too often when it becomes clear that a case is flawed, instead of holding the false reporter accountable for the damage that their fraud has caused, it merely gets dropped and chalked up to someone being upset. What about the resources spent proving ones innocence? What about the wasted law enforcement resources?

When an accused is convicted, they can then be sued as well. If we were to be fair minded people, I believe that if an accuser is found to be fraudulent, they should be held accountable. Man or women. In my opinion that doesn't make me hate men or women, I just hate bullshit.

@51: I whole-heartedly agree - there should be a "person who cried wolf" punishment but just because the prosecuting attorney assigned to this case chose not to waste her time on it, doesn't automatically mean that someone wasn't assaulted, injured and suffered as a result. This was clearly a situation where the legal system failed the victim.

50,51: I don't know why you're still falling back on accusing me of believing our justice system is perfect, since I've explicitly said that it isn't.

My point (yet again) is that, when you look at the big long list of imperfections in our justice system, the fact that every crime suspect is (purportedly) charged is NOT one of them.

A person who levels a false charge against someone should be punished, I agree. That's not the issue we're debating.

We're debating your claim that there's a "biased pursuit" of domestic violence cases where they're pursued too fervently. Your claim to have "witnessed" such bias is based on a sample size of 1. And I'll go even further and admit that you're far from the only one either. The point is that there are more uninvestigated cases of DV than there are false convictions. DV cases are investigated and prosecuted at a disproportionately LOW rate. And this overestimation of how many DV cases are "fake" is part of the reason why.

You can claim that you don't advocate for these calls to be ignored, but that would be the only logically feasible conclusion from your position that DV cases are pursued too readily. Because pursuing every case until either conviction or reasonable doubt are reached is exactly what you're complaining about having happened to you.

Now you're backpedaling and claiming that all you've been advocating is for false accusers to face punishment as well, though I don't know why you think people can believe you when your earlier complaints about people being charged "too readily" are written in black and white.

Now you can go with your (extremely inaccurate on many levels) theory that I'm some man-hating lesbian who is bitter about life if it makes you feel better. Though I wonder why you think a person has to be self-loathing in order to lack respect for people who advocate measures that would lower the already-too-low rate at which DV cases are pursued.

My darling Bonefish,

double speak, double speak, obfuscate, read between lines and more double speak. Attention deficient much? Point was never given to these unspoken masses of people not investigated. I'm sure they exist. After my personal case experiences I volunteered on my own accord to both victim advocacy groups as well as fathers rights groups. As it turns, they both seem to cross paths often. The rough dozen cases I witnessed involved half men that were flat out women beating pieces of shit and a surprising half that were roughly pigeon holed for outbursts in court, during visitation hearings and other 'vocal infractions'.. These cases made me take notice of a very real issue in reporting of this serious social issue. Far too often a DV label allows one the opportunity to gain advantage in the family court 'circus'. I've seen it. I've lived it. I've paid well over $6000.00 for it. In my 'little' mind, it sort of makes me a freaking expert on this subject.

I would not even for a second consider any situation where it is okay to cause physical harm to anyone you claim to love. That is not love. Men on men, women on women, men on women, adult on child etc. I am disgusted by senseless violent acts in any form. I do not look to discredit women nor do I blindly support men. I do blindly support truth. regardless of whatever statistical obfuscation we create do justify our own bull headed position. I was wrong to respond to your insults and generalized rants with like minded insults Bonefish. But perhaps Bull headed might be a better tag for you. Just saying...