Columns Dec 26, 2012 at 4:00 am

An After-Christmas Miracle

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1
I think it's sweet that you mentioned Chord Overstreet, since he's arguably the celebrity that looks the most like your hubby.
2
Isn't the obvious lie that Mr Lying Liar Who Tells Lies is In Luuuuuuuuuuuuv with the LW?
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Oh thank you for this xmas present, Dan: letters with more "fun" problems and less hand-wringing than we've seen in a while. And nifty solution to a problem I'd never thought about.
Hope your Christmas was wonderful!
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One essential piece of advice for HHH that I think was forgotten: Ask him what he likes, what gets him off, what doesn't, with her bj's (or anything else, communication is so important for experimenting sexually!).
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On the flavored lube thing - I once had a sex worker ask me what flavor condom I preferred. I'm still trying to figure out why the hell I'd care ;-)
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@5 Did you kiss her afterwards?
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Right, like anyone can control whether or not they get emotionally involved with someone they're having regular sex with.

Yet another example of how so-called "open relationships" rarely work.
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Simple solution for TOP: demand that your boyfriend produce a note/video/whatever from his boyfriend, explicitly giving him permission to fuck other people. It doesn't have to be specifically to you - it doesn't have to even be recent, but it does have to be clearly from his boyfriend and it has to lay out what their ground rules are re: other guys. Everyone wins: the boyfriend doesn't have to learn who you are (or even how long your relationship lasts), you get to be sure you're not ruining their relationship, and your boyfriend gets to fuck you both.
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@8: Not to be cynical, but how does TOP know that the document was really written by the boyfriend.
It seems pretty easy to produce a letter from an unknown and never-to-be-met person that you've written yourself.

I don't know if TOP is lying, but I would bet that he is--to both his boyfriends.

Although I disagree with wayne @7 that open relationships "rarely work," I think that it is indeed hard for many of us to avoid becoming emotionally attached to someone we're having regular great sex with. So that even if TOP's erstwhile boyfriend is being truthful with both his long-standing boyfriend and TOP, TOP is starting to want something he can't have.
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@wayne

It's not about control, it's about self-knowledge. If you've met someone and you know they're not boyfriend/girlfriend material (in your books) but they're fun to fuck, you're not going to get emotionally attached.

Some people struggle with this, but only because they automatically develop feelings for anyone they spend long enough fucking. Not all of us are wired that way.
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Lube, flavored or otherwise, can give the recipient of a blowjob a different sensation than a BJ without lube, so it can serve a purpose other than providing the giver a different flavor than cock. Flavored lube also helps if the giver happens to have a dry mouth, like first thing upon waking up in the morning.
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"Either this guy is lying to you about being in an open relationship or he's lying to his boyfriend about not getting emotionally involved with the other guys he fucks."

Can't it be both?
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@7: Crushes can happen, yeah. But there is a long way between the first flutterings and being "in love." A responsible person in a good open relationship will *stop having sex* with a person to whom they are overly attracted, for the sake of the primary relationship. I know, it's crazy, turning down sex. But trust me, it can be done.
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@7 To add to what others have said, not all open relationships stipulate that you must not fall in love with anyone else. The ones that stipulate that the main partner not know about their partner's other partners, as Dan said, typically do, but that's not the only kind of open relationship there is.
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@9: Notary Public to the rescue!
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But what can I do about my blowjobs?!?

If we were talking about my dick, I could put together a whole training program for you, complete with videos, guest lecturers, homework, agility and endurance exercises, a prayer book, real-time biofeedback monitoring, shopping excursions, and a few carefully selected zen koans.

But alas, we're talking about your husband's dick, not mine, so I guess you'll have to ask him.
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@3: Ditto with nocutename! Happy holidays to you, Dan, and everybody! I hope everyone enjoyed a wonderful Christmas!

Flavored lube.....hmm...I'm gonna have to remember that one.
Oh, wait---aspartame?! That's as bad as high fructose corn syrup!
And THAT shit's in just about everything!

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@seandr: Why would anyone sucking your dick need a special prayer book? Would it have prayers of thanksgiving in it, or prayers for strength and fortitude?
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@16
I think you should put the training program together anyway. And sell it online. Or at least post it for us. :)
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@16(seandr): Maybe you meant a "play book," not a "prayer book."
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@15: Quite literally LOL. I am pretty sure that this is the first time that sentence has appeared in the Savage Love comments.
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To TOP: If it seems shady, walks shady, talks shady, it's probably fucking shady. That's the basic premise Dan's operating on and so should you. Also, this week's SL was posted briefly (i.e. for a matter of hours) last week, which kind of dulled the novelty factor for this week but oh well. Happy Holidays to all!
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TOP started a relationship, and he claims he loves him? I'm thinking he isn't quite all there himself...
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@nocutename: a special prayer book

I've already revealed too much, so let's just say it has to do with accepting a higher power and giving it its due worship.

I could see working a play book into my program if I was into football players.
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@17 A flavored lube has to use artificial sweetener, if it has a sweet taste, since sugar or high fructose corn syrup might cause yeast infections if used for other than oral action. The point of flavored lube is that it tastes better than unflavored lube (or for some, that it tastes better than what they are lubricating).
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@26:
Why would you use flavoured lube for anything but oral?
But then again: why would one need lube for oral?
So many questions...
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@migrationist

Careful about suggesting lube isn't needed around these here parts...
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It might not be needed around YOUR parts :-) But seriously, some people might go back and forth between hand-job action (for which lube can be nice) and blow-job action.
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@27 One might start with oral then plunge into another orifice, so pure cane sugar as a sweetner would not be such a good idea.

Lube is not necessary for oral. I just wanted to point out that it is an option for a slightly different sensation. Dan did not seem to consider any reason for it other than to mask the natural dick flavor.
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Hello Dam Savage,

I geuss you may feel a little upset , but we are watching you and your paper and any thing that goes against America and hurting people over the " bell ringers of Salavation Army " . The thing is I look at Seattle with a "Hannibal Lector " attitude and only the rude really pay the price ...., I here dinner is served every day at the Missions that are very much advid fans of yours and my have you for dinner .
But just remember the FBI can not help you or that SPD - such rude unprofessional fellows they bloody are and we watch them too......
So chow for now Danny boy and sleep well.

AIRA
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@31.Awkward!
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@31: What the fuck was that?
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@32 No look at the typos, it might actually be christians.
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@16 please tell me more
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it's amazing how often men expect porn star bj's, but will never tell you more than "that isn't doing it for me" or "ouch--teeth." they won't go thru the myriad little nuances that make for the great bj, and teach you. no, that would be too sensible. i had to make a point of asking a willing teacher to give me an all-night intensive lesson on the subject, before i got to the point where it 1) wasn't extremely physically uncomfortable for me and 2) it did it for him and others. [hint: you guys do yourselves and immense disservice calling it "sucking" cock. we take it literally. it's all downhill from there, fyi].
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@16 & @25 seandr: Lol! Okay, I think you've gotten our attention...
when's the video getting posted?

@24 Hunter78: Oh, shit. I KNOW I'm stepping into something here by even responding, but depending on whose dick that's referring to, that actually doesn't sound half bad. Bottoms up!

@31: Whoaaaaaa--- somebody's three turds shy of a flush! Go back to your bat cave and stay there! You have been feasting on waaaaay too much Santorum filtered guano to make any sense at all. Do yourself two favors: 1) learn to spell and use grammar correctly in complete sentences, and 2) Wean yourself from FOX TV.
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So. There *are* open relatioships where one of the rules is "don't want to know about whom you fuck on the side". It's not only cheating cheaters who're lying who say that.

Thanks for confirming that, Dan.

@31 New troll a-trolling ? Learn some class from Hunter, Troll. You need to make sense once in a while for people to bother to read you ever again.
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My open relationship has a "contract" and a visibility clause: the person we fuck has to know that we are allowed to fuck then. I have however also heard the "I don't want to know who you fuck on the side - just be safe".

I prefer to fuck people openly and not in the shades but my husband has my blessing to pretend I don't know for fun's sake (even though he tells me all I want to know).

Saying this, I also find TOP's boyfriend a bit too shady for my liking.
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@38, there definitely are. I, personally, can't do that. I was dating (unofficially and unexclusively) an ex of mine and we talked about poly and open relationships. The abstract thought of him fucking someone else freaked me out. When I found out who it was, I was like, "Oh, ok." Confused the shit outta him. But I knew her, liked her, and trusted that she wasn't trying to keep him away from me. So it was fine.
Letting them be with other people that I don't know means not knowing if they're the type of person who wants to just sleep with them, or someone who thinks they can "steal" them away.
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@38- I don't see the point in mocking someone with that word in his name.
42
Okay, I'm trying to shift the discussion to something more unusual from this week's column: DOUCHE's dilemma was twofold: how to keep his boyfriend's asshole open for him to pee in it, and how to pee while staying hard so he could fulfill his boyfriend's fantasy and fill full his boyfriend's ass.
Dan helped him with the first part by directing him to a website that features all kinds of goodies, including the ass tunnel (which I loved seeing). But that doesn't address the other problem: how does DOUCHE stay hard enough to penetrate his bf while peeing?

I'm a woman who was under the impression that it is difficult for a man to pee when he's hard, yet since DOUCHE's bf has the expectation and since Dan didn't address that part of his letter, I am wondering. So a question goes out to the men here: how hard is it to pee when you're hard?
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@31: Interesting; you created an account on Feb. 2nd to comment on the Mars Hill Church story (and went to all the trouble of filling out your profile), then didn't return to comment (except perhaps anonymously?) until this December. In the event that this was the result of mandatory in-patient psychiatric treatment, you might want to voluntarily re-admit yourself, or at least show your doctor what you wrote. As someone who suffers from mental illness myself, I know it can be difficult to see when our perceptions don't square with reality, so I'm letting you know that your comment makes you sound delusional, paranoid, and potentially dangerous to those around you.

It's possible that your writing skills, by rendering your comment only marginally-intelligible, are making you sound less psychologically stable than you actually are; if that's the case, I'd suggest some writing courses at your local technical college (or university, if it offers the possibility of taking a few courses without enrolling in a full degree program) instead of (or possibly in addition to) psychological treatment. It's not necessarily fair, but prospective employers, clients, newspaper editorial staff, etc. are going to judge you by your writing, and learning to express your thoughts in complete, legible sentences could very much help you achieve your goals in life, whatever they are.

Stick with us, christiancultsniper! Though you might simply be a troll, I'm not about to write-off and ignore what could be a desperate cry for help. Life can be wonderful, even for those of us whose brains don't work entirely well all of the time. Under the Affordable Care Act, you may be able to get subsidized or publicly-funded health insurance even if you couldn't before, so if a lack of an ability to pay for treatment has been stopping you, it's worth looking into again (you clearly have internet access, so you can hopefully Google around to see what your options are). Good luck!
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@everyone: I read Dan's column all the time, but for some reason this is the first time I've followed up on reading the comments.

You guys are awesome! Thanks for an enjoyable 20 minutes!

Now I guess I have to go into the previous columns. This may take awhile...
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About the lube, here is a great suggestion. Coconut oil. Tastes good, smells good, organic, anti-bacterial, melts on contact with the body. Slippery at high speeds and luscious when you go slow. I've tried all kinds of lubes and this is truly the best for all types of sex and great for the skin. Massage it in everywhere!!!!! Have fun.
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coconut oil. does it damage condoms?
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@43 John, what a caring, thoughtful response. You've restored my faith in humanity, at least for today:)
@45 Burt's Bees Baby Bee Apricot Oil also works well, as does good old EVOO from the kitchen.
@46 I don't use condoms (monogamous marriage, IUD)so I can't say whether they damage condoms. It used to be that you could use oil on polyurethane condoms i.e. Trojan supras, but now they come pre-lubricated and the package states that you should not use any additional lubricant.
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I don't really think a douche is a good Christmas gift idea!
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@39: My husband has my blessing to pretend he's just pretending I'm okay with the extramarital nookie. Works for us :-)

>> even though he tells me all I want to know

Most potential partners (for him) appreciate some privacy around their activities, so I am working on being less curious about his sex life with others.

@42: I dated a guy who was into that. We didn't get to the point of experimentation together, but I gather that he would pee right after he came, before he got soft.
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I'd avoid coconut oil, agreeing with poster 46. Any oil is never a good mix with condoms. A good slippery gel is the new brand Aloe Cadabra. http://www.theadulttoyshop.com/lubricant… among many other retailers. The lavender is really strong, like an essential oil so you get the same quality only in a water based version. highly recommended but still safe with condoms.
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@50:
I don't think I'd like to suck on Aloe Cadabra.

@Eirene @29:
I thought spit was a good lubricant for going back and forth between BJs and HJs. Or just blow uncut guys, no need for extra lubrication!
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now they come pre-lubricated and the package states that you should not use any additional lubricant

Well, that's a drag, so to speak. Lube makes condoms a lot less likely to break -- didn't anyone tell them that?

migrationist@51: no, spit is okay when it's from your mouth, which keeps producing it, but on your hands it doesn't last at all. My experience is unfortunately foreskin-free, so no data there. :-(
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@51 no Aloe Cadabra... wouldn't you want the side benefit of softer lips after a blow job ;)
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@43 wins the internet.
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@42
So a question goes out to the men here: how hard is it to pee when you're hard?

Speaking just for myself: not possible.
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As my comment got in under the wire before the retraction, I didn't really get a close second look. While I abide by the idea that, in a situation with multiple possible lies, "I love you," has to start as a strong favourite, the closing reference to Mr Lying Liar Who Tells Lies as "my lover" makes a major dent in any attempt to pass this off as concern for the BF. Of course, the main motivation could certainly be strong distaste for being played, but methinks quite possibly TOP wants official status. Maybe it's time for an Anne Boleyn moment.
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@19, @35, @37:
As I'm sure you can imagine, it isn't a process that lends itself well to e-learning.
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@42 nocutename:
If my dick is any more than at half mast, I can't pee.

Another fun pee fact. Sometimes if you pee in the morning after a night of sex that leaves a bit of come in the hole, the blockage can send the stream in surprising and messy directions. The lesson - make sure you get every last drop.
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@42 it's really difficult to pee when hard, even in a situation where you don't have to aim the stream, like DOUCHE's situation or peeing in the shower.
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@42. I think his boyfriend just wants him to pee in his ass, hard or not. So he gets hard in order to penetrate him, then lets himself get soft so he can pee. The problem is after he gets soft the urine can't flow because of the constricting power of his boyfriend's tight ass. Common problem. The ass tunnel is meant to keep his boyfriend's ass open in such a way that he is able to pee while soft (I think).
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43 for the win
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@62

Lovin' the display pic.
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Eirene@52, we added some astroglide silicone lubricant, which I was not impressed with, then ended up ditching the condom anyway, but it didnt break from adding lube. What is it about condoms that makes so much extra lube necessary in the first place? I had to keep adding more until we got rid of the condom, then I was fine.
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@62: Ah, that makes sense. I assumed that the bf wanted him to be hard.
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I'm a male who's into the piss-enema thing, and can confirm that some men (not me, but a couple of my ex-boyfriends) can indeed urinate while almost fully hard, during penetrative sex.

Any kind of stimulation tends to mess it up, though, so usually it's alternating a few thrusts with total stillness and a lot of waiting. It's an interesting sensation, not totally pleasant or unpleasant.
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Thanks, mydriasis!
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TOP, the whole key to the answer you don't want is right here: "The whole situation is starting to make me uneasy. I can't figure out why I want to know more about his boyfriend. Is it so I can verify that he's not cheating, or that jealousy is an issue for them and that's why I can't meet him? I do know that I wish my lover would be more open with me."

The whole situation makes you uneasy. Your gut-alarm has already gone off, and on some level you want it not to be your lying lover's fault, or for someone to tell you that your gut is wrong, when it isn't.

Dan's advice isn't well-reasoned, but the end point is solid: DTMFA; and not because there is or isn't a way to verify what your creepy lover is up to, or because there are 'usual rules' of some kind between the openly-relationshipped, but because *you already know he's lying*, because the situation (his lies) are already making you uneasy - and that's all the information you need, isn't it?

When he's lying to you, kiddo, he's lying to everyone else too, including himself. Do not reward that asshole with trust he doesn't deserve. D.T.M.F.A.
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A data point for 42:

I can pee while hard reliably, just takes a few deep breaths and staying still while the "pipes switch" or whatever the hell is happening. Easier than waiting for it to go down when ya real have to go. AIMING is a real problem though, as I have not tested this while in an asshole. Usually have to bend the waist at least 60 degrees or there's gonna be some serious cleanup to do.
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@ 59 and everyone in general. pee directly after you have sex. You do not want gunk sitting around in your urethra all night. Especially women, it's bladder-infection-ville. Even if it's only a little pee, it will help.
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Warning: people, much like food, don't necessarily taste as good as they look.

While the packaging would undoubtedly be nicer, there's no guarantee that Overstreet/Jackson lube would taste any better than Maggie Gallagher lube.

Come to think of it, their lube probably tastes like protein powder, quinoa and spinach, while hers tastes like Krispy Kreme and french fries.
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Many people have used coconut oil with condoms without them breaking. There are different types of oil & you shouldn't just lump them all together. From what I've read, the biggest reasons why condoms break are: not pinching the tip of the condom when putting it on. This adds more room in the condom and the penis is not forced against the end. Next, not enough lube. Lube (CO) should be placed on the penis before putting on the condom as well as on the outside of the condom or as a vaginal lubricant. It is anti-bacterial & anti- fungal and has helped many woman who have had yeast issues. If in doubt, try it first with a good athletic hand job and a condom and you will see for your self. Condoms have come a long way in quality & so have natural lubes.
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To HHH:

ProTip: Suck. 'Blow job' is just a figure of speech.

;-)
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@73 A condom coupled with a vigorous handjob sounds like a good way of testing the effects (on a condom) of any lube/condom combinations, since there are so many variations in materials in both categories. If, in the future, I need to consider condoms again, I may try this. Thanks for the idea.
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I would just like to take this opportunity to give another win to 43.
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TOP- how one defines 'cheating' in a non-monogamous situation is quite tricky indeed.

DOUCHE - peeing while hard? trying morning wake up sex while you have a 'piss-hardon' instead of running for the bathroom
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The best thing to do when you are unable to pee for whatever reason is to "count to pee".

one, two, pee
one, two, pee
one, two, pee
one, two, pee
one, two, pee
one, two, peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEE!!!
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I can do spells too.
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We note that the weirdos are coming out for New Year's.
84
As a Lynchburg resident (urgh), I can confirm the Liberty University association.
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Hey stalkers at 80 and 81, do you really want to be with someone who is with you only because he/she had a spell put on them? That's more than a little messed up: It's actually dishonorable. What about your partner's free will? Why are your needs more important than theirs? They did everything they could to get rid of you, and you couldn't accept that. Super super super nice.

Also, does the spell last forever, so that their "love" and feelings of "committment" are forever something artificial? Or does the spell wear off some day, and they wake up and realize they wasted valuable time being with you? Awkward! (And then you have to cast the spell again, such a bother).

Finally, since prophetharry and wiseindividual care so much about love and restoring relationships, I'm sure their services are free, right? If they are not free, what kind of contract does the buyer have with them? Do the sellers guarantee results in writing, so that the buyer has protection and recourse in a court of law? To what extent does the "victim" get to participate in the contractual agreement?

Curious minds need to know.
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(Yes, I know the spammers don't come back after dumping off their inarticulate ramblings, I just wanted to have a little fun.)
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TOP- You mean of all the people where you live you could not find someone who was unattached and ready to commit the kind of affection you seem to want to give and get? You must not value yourself much.BTW your lover is not about to leave his comfortable situation and maybe his lover doesn't know about you for a very good reason.Find someone else to play with
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I liked the fortroff video link and store.
That thing is rad!
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Hunter78 re:@24:......or were you being totally sarcastic?
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@90 Hunter78: It was indeed that. Thanks for the recipe,
and happy 2013.

Happy 2013 to everybody!!
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Happy New Year, auntie grizelda and all SL readers!
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@92 EricaP and everybody: Happy healthy, safe, sane and prosperous 2013 and beyond!!!
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