Comments

1
Occupy Bellevue. Honestly, if the protesters want to really make a point about economics, they should all go in the tunnel and take the 550 to Bellevue. There is a nice big park on the south side of Bellevue Square.
2
Occupy Bellevue, but boycott Freeman!
3
I'd rather have light rail to Ballard than Bellevue anyway.
4
You have neglected to add in this article that Kemper Freeman,Sr, created his empire in the former strawberry fields of Japanese American farmers that were herded into US concentration camps. I would assume he paid these familys anywhere from 0 to pennys on the dollar. Shame on him for profitting from the despair of his fellow Bellevue neighbors.
The Freeman name is fouled by their opportunistic greed and narcissism.

Joi M D
5
@4: Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure he probably bought 'em all at foreclosure auctions. Ben from STB knows more about that history, though.
6
@4: I actually did look into this, and in my article I quote a local expert on the subject, David Neiwert.

It's indisputable that Miller Freeman, the grandfather of Kemper Freeman Jr., was at best "wary" of Japanese Americans. (The "wary" quote comes from Generations, the book Kemper Freeman Jr. himself paid to have written about his family.)

However, Neiwert, the local expert on this, told me he hasn't been able to find any evidence of the Freeman family actually buying land from Japanese-American strawberry farmers (or snatching it up after they were interned) in order to build Bellevue Square.

I know this story goes around. But what appears to have happened is a bit more complicated.

Bottom line: The land for the original Bellevue Square, as I understand it, and as Neiwert explained it to me, was purchased from major eastside landowners who were not themselves Japanese-American.
7
Watching the ultrarich play games with communities like toys yet hearing class warfare is wrong, why?

This is what OWS is all against and about.
8
Great article, Eli. One of Lord Freeman's sly little half-truths was in a recent story in The Seattle Times, which highlighted the anti-rail provision in I-1125:

"I have no care how people get [to] here [Bellevue Square]. But I need them to get here...

Of course, he cares how they leave. Bellevue Square exists to sell overpriced knick-knacks that nobody needs. Hauling away large poundage of said knick-knacks has less to do with race, class, or income, and more to do with your lower vertebrae. Persons who have to haul all of that crap on foot to and from a light-rail station will buy fewer pounds of said overpriced crap, which means less money for hereditary Lord Freeman. He wants our tax money to subsidize the automobiles which make crap-hauling possible, not the light rail which moves more persons per hour than any road lane possibly could. (Note: persons, not crap. Lord Freeman parts company with us on the question of which is more important.)
9
Oddly, SLOG today provided evidence in support of Kemper Freeman's efforts to keep the Puget Sound area from becoming an overly dense megalopolis like other urban areas around the US.

In this article SLOG presents census data showing Washington State to be among the most "equal" states. I dove deeper into the source data, and what it suggests is that majority of the inequality comes from the largest dense metropolitan areas. Here's the link to my comments detailing this:

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/archives…

So, in effect, the Republican ideal of a low tax, personal transit, sprawling region ends up distributing the wealth and reducing inequality the most...whereas the high density, high tax, mass transit style makes it more unfair for most.

But then again...we all know Libs are Royalists!
10
http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/Blog…

Portland Mercury

Q&A: What the Hell is Going on With TriMet's Budget?

Posted by Sarah Mirk on Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:10 PM

TriMet's board meeting this morning dropped a bombshell: The public transit agency looks like it will have a $12-17 million budget hole this coming year, instead of a balanced budget like they'd hoped. The finance issues going on with TriMet are super complicated, so to get the skinny, I called up Michael Andersen, who writes and edits Portland "low-car newsmagazine" Portland Afoot (which is great and you should subscribe!).
MERCURY: So this means big cuts, right? What is TriMet looking at cutting?
MICHAEL ANDERSEN: I think it's almost certainly going to involve service cuts. TriMet's basically got to choose whether to eliminate routes completely or cut service across the board. When you make service worse across the system, you make it worse for people who are trying to build it into their life. There might also be mid-year fare increases. And there's a continuing fight about LIFT services, they might reduce the area for where they do LIFT pick up.

Are there any ideas for revenue or ways to not cut service across the board?
Board Member Steve Clark specifically said that ending the operation of WES should be on the table. Right now, TriMet loses $18 per ride on WES, versus on the Green Line, they lose 92 cents per ride. I'm also writing about this guy's idea for a three percent tax hike on hotel rooms, which could generate $13 million in additional revenue for transit. Tourists are people who come to the city, benefit from the service, but don't pay any payroll tax. Another idea is there's about 3,000 parking spots in TriMet Park & Ride lots that are full every day. If TriMet charged each of those people $1 every day to park, they'd have $800,000 a year from that.

Is there any way TriMet can stop funding big capital projects and put that money toward service instead?
Most of the money for capital projects has to be spent on capital projects. However, starting in 2015, TriMet is going to be taking more money out of the general fund to pay off bonds for the Milwaukie Light Rail project. Its agreed to put itself more deeply in debt with money it doesn't have. If they wanted to stop that, they could, but that would mean not building a rail line they already have a bridge for. So for the most part, no.

Break down for me what's causing the budget shortfall.
TriMet identified three forces. Obviously there's a lot going on but here's what they identify as the variables: Slower wage growth than they were hoping for, higher costs of the union contract, and the allocation of less federal operating funds than in previous transportation bills.

The union issues here are confusing. What's going on with their contract fight?
There are two things moving at the same time. First, the union is fighting with TirMet over their current contract, which is what has the drivers pissed off right now. This year, TriMet director Neil McFarlane reversed past practices and froze drivers' wages and froze the level of their health care benefits at its 2010 rate. The other moving part is that TriMet and the union are in negotiations over the new contract and according to the union, TriMet brought a bunch of new stuff to the table all of a sudden without going through the proper process. A judge found that to be correct and, as a result, the final offer TriMet was able to make to the union wound up having to be more pro-union than they had wanted it to be.

What sort of things is the contract fight over?
It's a list of about 15 things, mostly relating to healthcare and retirement benefits. The thing that TriMet has to worry about most in the future is retiree medical cost. That's off the charts for any public agency in Oregon, I think. The management has decided to go after that in part because they haven't saved any money for the increasing medical costs. TriMet's broke, but they're going to become broker.

How do TriMet's benefits compare to other public agencies'?
It's really, really good. And that's part of the reason the agency can retain good bus drivers.

But it's also part of the reason why they're broke.
Yup. For example, TriMet's current deductible for unionized employees is $0 for the individual, compared to $1500 for the Lane Transit District in Eugene, $300 for employees at Multnomah County, $250 at Washington County.

11
@9: "Oddly, SLOG today provided evidence in support of Kemper Freeman's efforts to keep the Puget Sound area from becoming an overly dense megalopolis like other urban areas around the US."

If you don't like dense, successful, transit-rich cities.

"So, in effect, the Republican ideal of a low tax, personal transit, sprawling region ends up distributing the wealth and reducing inequality the most...whereas the high density, high tax, mass transit style makes it more unfair for most."

Are you Herman Cain? Because you just made all that shit up.

12
@8 Well observed.
13
It should be obvious why Kemper Freeman opposes Light Rail: Light Rail would allow *Eastside* Residents a viable option of leaving their cars at home, NOT having to deal with the downtown SEATTLE parking nightmare, and to take advantage of the superior shopping options available in Downtown Seattle -- as compared to the weaker shopping options available at Kemper Freeman's Bellevue Mall. Thus, Kemper Freeman sees Light Rail as direct competition to his current Bellevue Mall Eastside upper crust shopping MONOPOLY! Why *wouldn't* he spend a million dollars of slush money to maintain his monopoly on the upper crust Eastside shopping dollars -- using Tim Eyman as his "buddy boy" ???
14
@13
Close, but even worse... It gives eastside residents the option of parking downtown Bellevue and riding the train to downtown Seattle, effectively converting Kemper’s business model of free parking + shopping into just free parking. It’s hard to make a buck in that racket.
16
Doesn't this fool know that so many more people might go to his malls if there was a better way to get to them? No rocket science logic here!
17
There is a bit more history to the Freeman's opposition to transit. In the late 60s, the federal government awarded Seattle / King County funds for a multi-line heavy rail subway, all of which would be separated from traffic. They would have paid for 80% of it. At the time, Bell Square was a parking lot and a strip mall. Kemper Freeman Senior funded an opposition campaign, defeating the metro in two separate elections. He likened subways to communism.

The federal government gave the money to Atlanta, which built MARTA.

Kemper Freeman Senior was also investigated for being successful in acquiring real estate options for land that would be benefited by planned freeways. The options were purchased while the details of the routes were confidential. For the same sort of thing, one or two other east side real estate developers went to jail.

So if you want to blame one family for this region's having a transport problem that is now probably too expensive to fix, it’s the Freemans.
18
The fact that Miller Freeman bought former Japanese-American farmland from intermediaries who purchased it from the farmers is just a technicality.

He used his considerable wealth and influence to create an atmosphere of hatred toward Japanese-Americans farming on the Eastside both before and after Pearl Harbor. After WW II ended, only 11 of the original 60 farming families returned to their land. They faced intense discrimination. Several prominent Japanese community members had their houses burned down.

"Fallow fields, stolen equipment and harsh winter months forced many Japanese farmers to sell their land. The once prosperous Japanese American farming community had essentially died."

See the article "Edge City: Contests and Conflict Surrounding the Development of the Eastside" for more information.

http://sites.google.com/site/alinehistor…

Miller Freeman was an expert at harnessing racial fears to make himself richer at the expense of hard-working,law-abiding American citizens and immigrants.

Boycott Bellevue Square and all other enterprises owned by the Freeman family; their empire is built on racism and blood.

SunsetSu

19
@18: I second that!
20
Eli Sanders, this is an excellent article that presents all sides, in spite of there being only one side, ie pro-light rail.
Thank you. The Stranger, at least in the editorial department IS Seattle's only newspaper.
21
So the Freemans are sort of a real-life Bluth Family?
22
Just wanted to say that I LOVE the illustration for this article. Too cute.
23
Eli's brief Slog post about a Washington Policy Center response to this article refers to the man, as does WPC's Board listing, as The Honorable Kemper Freeman, Jr.

Am I correct in concluding that he feels entitled to this ridiculous honorific because of brief service in the State Legislature nearly 40 years ago?
24
"Light rail on the other hand, has the opposite effect because it is extremely expensive and so few people choose to use it; light rail is a drain on society and increases the friction between what people want and how they get it."
I always laugh when there's inherent contradictions in the free market morons' reasoning. Namely, Michael Ennis, who thinks Eli is a "social engineer." Just because lightrail is not used now, doesn't mean it won't be used with growth and when there's more alternatives. The author also argues that this is a drain on society but fails to connect his sentiments that people "choose" automobiles to the fact that society has voted overwhelmingly to fund mass transportation in King County. He also fails to understand the concept of "choice."

Also, just because one has made money off of people, doesn't make him a seer into their desires. The market efficiency myth is predicated on rational actors where there are MANY irrational actors in the system all the time.
26
I am voting YES for 1125 and I could care less about Kemper Freeman Jr. Is it just me or does nobody else notice the Bus System that exists today? It WORKS. Sound Transit is full of Light-Rail industry folks with interests and incomes based on getting contracts from the us. We do not need to speed $320Million on noisy, low-use light rail - including a huge tunnel. Instead, we ought to spend half-that sum on more buses and better roads. Companies like Microsoft already offer their employee's bus service. Why should our state taxe dollars pay for Sound Transits overpriced Train system? How many times do we drive by the Light Rail @ the Airport - and see empty cars, empty trains, empty parking garages? Kemper isn't the sharpest tool in the shed but he's also not an idiot. He's seeing Sound Transit's manipulation impacting where tax dollars will be spent around transportation. There is no personal vendetta. People in Pierce County or Spokane or Snohomish county - they should not have to pay for Sound Transits expensive train system - period. Sound Tranist is gonna help bankrupt Seattle, Bellevue, King County and the State of Washington. The time for building a cost-effective transit system based on light-rail was 25-40yrs ago. We are a Auto and Bus system now. There are empty condo's in bellevue - right now. If you have a job in bellevue and live elsewhere - MOVE. Don't bitch about how much it costs to commute. MOVE.
27
@26: And yet you choose to remain anonymous and unregistered.
How much is Tim Eyman paying you?
28
Also, troll dear, the return key is your friend.

Paragraphs are a wonderful thing. Please learn how to use them. Then your half-baked notions and simple-minded proclimations might at least be readable.
29
What a self-centered prat! God forbid Freeman admit that anyone might want to get to Bellevue for *another reason* than going to his stupid mall, like maybe a job? Or maybe even make their way from Bellevue (pop. 109,000) to Seattle (pop. 563,000) once in a while. I am disgusted.
30
What a self-centered prat! God forbid Freeman allow that anyone might want to get to Bellevue for some *other reason* than going to his stupid mall, like maybe a job? Or maybe even make their way from Bellevue (pop. 109,000) to Seattle (pop. 563,000) once in a while. I'm sure *that* never happens! Just another rich DB buying his own laws. It's disgusting.
31
@29 & 30 chicagojoe: You list another bunch of good reasons to boycott Bellevue Mall altogether. I wonder what Darth Freeman's Evil Empire will do when nobody buys anything, and nobody drives there because the freeways and rail systems are all fucked up thanks to corporate greed?
So much for the 1%!
32
Why would anyone want to shop at Bellevue Square in the first place? I suppose it was nice enough when getting into the city involved ferry rides and teams of oxen, but that hasn't been an issue since at least 1970.

Granted, I am old. And since almost all the respectable shopping options (Frederick & Nelson, I.Magnin, Klopensteins, Woolworths) have died off, getting me into a girdle and hat and all the other things it takes to do nice shopping trip has become more and more like prying a barnacle off a battleship. But still - Bellevue Square has so many things against it....

1.) It's in Bellevue (Which is just West Omaha with better weather)

2.) it looks like some sort of government vacination Bunker, what with all the parking garages.

3.) it has all of the stores of Southcenter, with none of the rustic charm - and who wants to go to Southcenter?

So, on those semi-decade occasions when I feel the need to buy a new frock or get my mink refreshed, I find it best to just have my driver drop me off at the Westlake Station, or the First Avenue Sears. They understand people like me.
33
@32 Catalina Vel-DuRay: Wow, can I relate!-----french dips and Frango mint shakes at Frederick & Nelson; all 8 wonderous floors of everything ever needed for a home and wardrobe!! Shoe shopping at Nordstrom's!! School clothes buying at The Bon Marche (before it became Macy's) in addition to Frederick & Nelson and Nordstrom's!! Sears and Woolworth's in Aurora Village with its own mini arboretum with blossoming cherry trees and carp pools on Old 99 before THAT got torn down for a Home Depot----God, what fond memories!!

It's so heartbreaking that it just isn't there anymore.
34
One more thing: my allergy to malls has returned!
35
Great article Eli, and marvelous commentary. As Much as Kemper has an irrational distaste for the Light Rail, and disdain for its riders, there is another business interest he might be protecting with his million dollar donation to Eyman. He seems to be irked by the idea that the train will support the development of the Bel Red Corridor, between Bellevue and Redmond. Here a rival Developer plans a mixed business-residential neighborhood. The publicly supported Sound Transit Train would represent the equivalent of Paul Allen's South Lake Union Trolley (SLUT) in promoting the growth of this project. Oh, how that must burn Kemper Freeman!
Try to be understanding. Feel his pain. The 1% have different sensitivities than the rest of us.
36
Griselda dear, I always thought that the Bon missed a great opportunity when F&N closed. Frederick's demise was because of leveraged buyouts and other nonsense - not because people didn't want to shop there. The Bon could have taken up a lot of those boutique departments (books, toys, fine foods, etc) but instead they hunkered down and tried to be a cheaper version of Nordstrom.

And speaking of F&N, it was Freeman who finally killed it when he wouldn't go along with the plan to sell the suburban stores to Marshall's or Mervyn's or one of those dreadful discount houses. Not that I really blame him for that, but it was a shame nonetheless.
37
@36:Catalina honey, I never said that people didn't want to shop at Frederick & Nelson, The Bon, etc. I meant the fate of downtown Seattle stores! Didn't The Bon pick up Frangos after F&N closed? Or was that Nordstrom?
Yes, their demises are sad reminders of corporate greed (i.e. Pacific Place).
It's a shame that really good department stores have been savagely eaten up by outlet malls and discount warehouses.

You're right--I wouldn't drive all the way to Bellevue to shop, either. That's a long way to the southeast for me, and a long wait in bumper-to-bumper on the 405 just for a pair of boots.
38
The source of the opposition is simple on my view: Freeman doesn't want Eastside shoppers taking the train into downtown Seattle for shopping day trips. Right now that's difficult because of driving and parking concerns
39
Grizelda dear, I didn't mean you. I was just referring to this meme that everyone wants low prices and just low prices, with no bells or whistles.

It's interesting - I have a little scanner app on my phone, and it tells me the price of the item, and what the various stores are selling it for. Wal-Mart is seldom the lowest price, yet everyone thinks it is cheapest place to shop. Because of that, they put up with their dreadful stores and loutish customers. They're getting ripped off, without even a chandelier or two to make them feel special.
40
@39: Okay. I apologize for the sarcastic "honey". I misunderstood what you meant: death of the department store and the rise of the no-frills outlet stores because more people want Costco (cheaper because everything is in bulk and you save by cutting out the middleman) than Nordstrom's.

WOW---you can actually scan an item on your PHONE??
Boy, we sure have entered a high-tech age, haven't we?
How soon before we officially enter The Jetson Age of
"Food-o-Rack-o-Cycles" in which everybody has "push button fingers" from dialing their meals? I guess I'm really dating myself here!
41
Maybe Kemper Freeman thinks light rail is a bad deal for the region, and that whatever's bad for the region is bad for his business. Ever consider that possibility?
42
@41: Your Hunts Point is....?
So--um, let me see if I get this straight: mind-numbing 24-hour gridlock is supposed to be better?
If I-5 and I-405 are parking lots, and Bellevue Square suddenly becomes increasingly inaccessible because of the lack of transit, what incentive do people have for shopping at Freeman's mall?

Ever consider THAT possibility?
43
I don't think light rail will have much impact on I-405 or I-5's traffic levels. I think Freeman is right to support busways instead.
44
And a Happy Peak Oil to everyone! Let's punch the gas pedal all the way on our journey to that brick wall. Anything less would be un-American. Preparing for an energy-depressed future is so...communistical and stuff.
45
@43 Mister G: Okay. You're entitled to your opinion, like the rest of us. It sounds like you live in or near the Eastside, so you'd know more about the daily commute to and from Bellevue. It sounds like Freeman's actually anti- Metro, after reading Eli Sanders' article more carefully.

Personally, I'm for light rail, and anything that salvages what's left of the environment by keeping zillions of cars and trucks off the roads.
Here's hoping you're not spending the rest of your life parked in gridlock.

@44: ......and the oil companies keep getting richer, don't they? Sigh.
46
#45, you really need to do some traveling. Honest, you do. Even in places where rail is a much bigger part of the mix, it's basically a convenience item for those who use it as opposed to a major congestion reducer on the roads.

The rail proponents never really want to talk numbers. Real ones, anyway, such as how Seattle's current system is dramatically underperforming its modest startup goals. Or that highly developed systems, like Boston's, carry only 8% of daily trips.

Have you been to Boston, or Chicago, or New York, or London? Have you driven there? I have. All four of 'em, in fsct. The roads are crammed. Would they be even more crammed but for their systems? Yes, especially New York and London. But those networks, even in the biggest cities, don't keep "zillions of cars and trucks off the roads." They keep some off.

If Boston's rail network went kaput, I think you'd be shocked at how quickly the place would adapt by using buses and expanding boat service where possible. Yup, it'd be a gigsntic pain in the ass, but not armageddon except in the media.

New York would be a much bigger problem, and so would London, but Seattle isn't either one of those places and never will be. In 40 years, we'll maybe be more like Boston in terms of density. Maybe.

And I'd suggest, as someone who's been around quite a bit more than you seem to have been, that fixed rail is by no means the only way to skin the cat. Example: Electric cars + GPS will soon equal self-guided vehicles that can travel significantly faster on some routes, but with a lot less spacing.

If you do the math, that might wind up being much cheaper, much less polluting, and much more flexible than fixed rail, which among other things is geared toward a 50-year-old, East Coast, downtown-centric cityscape that doesn't exist in the West.

Finally, to head something off at the pass: Please don't yammer about Portland. You heard it here first: Their oh-so-cool MAX and Tri-Met system is in deep, deep financial doo-ddo. The powers that be down there have worked hard to keep anyone from finding out, but this is not something they'll be able to hide for very long. Portland is going to be in for a very big, very painful come-down. Just wait.

People need to think creatively. There's no virtue in spending money you don't have on a system that won't work, by which I mean get lots of people where they need to go, cost effectively. Yeah, trains are so cool, or so you think. I suggest listening a bit more carefully to what Freeman has to say.

p.s.: I live in Seattle. I'm looking at a city that's on a steepening downward trajectory, in large part because the civic dialog and government policies are rooted in fantasy. Those are fun for a while, but they rarely work out in the long run. Even Dan Savage knows that, but someone needs to tell Mike McGinn.
47
Just one more bit of Freeman family history. Ever wonder why the access to Factoria is such a mess to and from I-90 and I-405? La Famiglia made sure Factoria Square would never be a threat to Il Quadro Bellevue.
48
#47, what does that have to do with the price of potatoes in Idaho, or with light rail in Seattle, or with I-1125?
49
@46 Mister G: I agree about needing to travel. Actually, I'd love it. The question is when? I have been going to school and trying to find steady employment for the last ten years. I've finished college and have a BA, but can't seem to find a good job (defined as offering a livable civilian wage competitive to my existing skills and hopefully offers some benefits, with sufficient time off, and room for career advancement). Surprise, surprise.

I'm not complaining here, I'm just saying. And you're right---what may work in one part of the state, United States or the world, might not do so well elsewhere. A lot of it has to do with infrastructure and the volume of people per square mile.

The only point I disagree on is concerning Freeman's views on managing traffic to and from his mall. Come on---he's rich out to get richer, and couldn't care less about the rest of us, with or without light rail and buses.
50
46, do you have any source for your information about Boston? Because I grew up there and can't fathom what it'd be like in a lot of areas served by the T if not for that option.

Freeman doesn't come off as racist any more than GW Bush did. He's a silver spoon. I'm sure he can relate to rich people of color.
51
It was recently reported at Rail-Volution that if it weren't for the DC Metro, a huge portion of downtown Washington would have to be parking garages. Instead it is the third largest downtown in the country in office space even when limited to 140 foot tall buildings.
52
#49, sorry things aren't working out. As for Freeman, if you'd just think instead of being captured by your jealousy and stereotyping, you might consider that Freeman's viewpoint is likely to have no direct connection to traffic to and from his mall.

I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of his shoppers come from the East Side. Rail or no rail, they'll still drive to his mall on the roads there. Would tolling the bridges affect him? Maybe a little, but I dare say that someone who's willing to drive from Seattle to Bellevue to shop (why, I'm not sure) is not going to be stopped by a toll.

Indirectly, I suppose he'd like to avoid what he regards as economically destructive taxes and spending that would divert money from his pockets to government pockets. But I'm not even sure about that, because he's still in favor of spending money on transit -- just in a different form than your religion calls for.

In the end, the personal attacks launched against Freeman by Seattle liberals strike me as just as brain-dead as the wingnut attacks on Obama for being a Kenyan or a socialist. It's mindless, stupid trialism, something that infects liberals just as much as anyone else.
53
#50, when I lived in Boston, the local paper (the Boston Globe) wrote about the T carrying 8% of daily trips. Surprised me at first, until I thought about Rte. 128 and everything west of it. I liked commuter rail as much as anyone, and wouldn't suggest they end it. But it really is much more a matter of convenience for the commuters than anything else.
54
It was recently reported at Rail-Volution that if it weren't for the DC Metro, a huge portion of downtown Washington would have to be parking garages.

Yeah, now there's a credible source: "Rail-Volution." Washington Metro is nice, and quite expensive, and floats generously on federal money. But it doesn't even begin to carry even close to a significant portion of the region's daily traffic.
55
@52: WOW---aren't you jumping to wrong conclusions, here?
Jealousy and stereotyping?! How do you know what religious denomination I practice, if at all?? How much is Kemper Freeman and /or Tim Eyman paying you?

I DIDN'T say things weren't working out. I merely stated a fact that many can relate to: massive unemployment. Therefore, I'm working on employing myself.

Judging from your irrationally hysterical blast of vituperative diarrhea, it sounds like you're less likely to think before being captured by capitalist stoogery.

Ohhhhhh, a WISE guy, eh? Wellll, NYUH, NYUH, NYUH!!!!!!
56
@52: So....you commute to and from Bellevue in a chauffeur driven limo?
This would explain your capitalist stooge mentality, Curly.
Or would you rather be called Moe?
57
Hey----WAIT!!!! NOW I get it!!
Mister G had to go take a Santorum break.
G must stand for goof.
58
Crazy Auntie, when did they let you out of the attic, anyway?
59
Even Crazier Mister G: I've never lived in an attic, silly! Too many spiders!
I think you need to go take a good dump to clear your head!

Your last comment is pretty amusing for someone whose elevator doesn't quite make it to the top floor.
60
Mr. G,

If Freeman really supports busways, he's not demonstrating it by supporting No-man's initiative. Where will the money come from for the busways if there is no tolling allowed?

The governor -- who I'm sure you believe is a latte-liberal monster -- recently announced that one of the ways the state is considering as a way to close the next biennium's budget gap is to eliminate school transportation.

If the state is so broke it can't pay for schoolbuses it's probably not going to be building busways either. At least the Feds pay for some of the cost of rail lines.

61
Where will the money come from for the busways if there is no tolling allowed?

For starters, you shut down Sound Transit. Then you put tolls on the various highways to support construction of busways on that highway. Nothing in I-1125 would prevent it.

Face it, you wah-wah-want light rail. Which, I might add, will be too expensive for the poor and working class. When it comes time to operate and maintain it, the money will come at the expense of the buses that poor people (read: minorities) ride.

That's the dirty little secret in every city with rail: Buses for colored people, rails for white people. That's Puget Sound's future with rail too. Ironic, huh? Yeah, yeah, you'll deny it. But really, take a look at how it really works elsewhere. You'll see.
62
Wow, requiring the Govt. to keep monies in separate accounts according to the publics wishes, rather than dumping everything into ine big ol' slush fund?

If you toll a road, that money should go to that road, hence the term "toll road".

How many projects have been voted for, and the money collected, but the project not even started?

Wasn't Sound Transit, which I regret voting for now, supposed to be a regional transit system. and not just an over lapping layer squander? 250 freaking million dollars to rent rail lines that will never see a fraction of that investment returned?

Bellevue is already on the hook for 200 million dollars, that is $20,000 for every person living in the city. And it was just a down payment.
63
@61: So you're bigoted as well as ignorant. Why am I not surprised?
And you still haven't said how much Freeman and Eyesore are paying you to post your Santorum against light rail, Mister G.

I think you've been sitting in car fumes too long.
64
I have to say that I agree with KF on a couple things - Light Rail is not the answer for a major metropolitan area - never has or will be. It is not mass transit - it is part-of-the-masses transit - it doesn't move nearly enough people. And yes, the area powers that be, including the Sound Transit propaganda machine, have picked and selectively backed light rail - because that's where there money is.

But KF will hate me dearly for the rest of the story - light rail isn't enough, and cars and highways are as obsolete as the dinosaurs they run on.... the fiscal and visionless wimps of the Seattle metro area should show some spine and build a real mass transit system - heavy rail people moving facilities like BART (SF), MARTA (Atlanta), Sydney Australia, NYC, etc etc. Sure everyone will hate the price tag today but will be on the bandwagon beating everyone else off tomorrow. KF is no visionary - he is a wacked out reactionary with no capacity to come up with a positive solution - only negations. As well, the Sound Transit and metropolitan Seattle planners are no better - they offer white bread, cake, processed crackers and the rest of the pablum diet of Compromise America. Get into Whole Grain politics and do the right thing now - its healthier financially, socially, and psychologically.

Please wait...

Comments are closed.

Commenting on this item is available only to members of the site. You can sign in here or create an account here.


Add a comment
Preview

By posting this comment, you are agreeing to our Terms of Use.