Film/TV Jun 6, 2012 at 4:00 am

Ridley Scott's Space-Exploring Prometheus Is Smart Until It's Not

In space, no one can hear you investigate.

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Face Huggers?
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No, But the mouth rape quota is filling in spades
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It was smart until it introduced the idea of extraterrestrial origins of humanity. Paleontology and genetics have dragged that idea through the dirt so thoroughly it's not even funny. They haven't even left any room for the idea that aliens could have at least uplifted our ancestors.
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I just found it boring. Schlocky and boring. Twenty minutes of unnecessary exposition in the beginning (truly, they could have tossed everything before David running around on the ship and no one would have noticed), characters I couldn't bring myself to give a shit about...

Oh, and let's not forget the numerous times they treated the audience like blithering idiots. "He cut me off!" Yes, he cut the feed on his camera, we all saw it happen three seconds ago, and we don't need you to narrate it to an empty room for us. It was overacted, underwhelming, and a complete failure at provoking anything but indifference.
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Who cares if the movie calls it an abortion or not? OMG it's a total act of studio cowardice! What else is new?

And the whole seeding life is just a metaphor for the concept extra-terrestrial origins of primitive life (a microbe-packed meteor for example), a theory that has not been completely discarded yet. Given that it's basically a sci-fi fantasy movie, I don't see taking a mythic shortcut as that big of a big deal.

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Spoiler alert...

Why the fuck did the map guy get lost on his way out of the goddam alien house thing? He's the fucking MAP GUY!!!!

And why was the robot guy so hell bent on re-activating the alien DNA through impregnation and re-activating the alien ship's armageddon mission, when his main mission really was just to help the old CEO guy find medical help?

I'm tired of feeling like such a stupid fucker, and this movie did not help me.
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Constant gives this movie way too much credit and @6 doesn't give himself nearly enough. Robot David's behavior and motivations are never explained or justified. The scientists are the least science-minded people with zero understanding of scietific method ever put on a screen. A couple dozen obvious points of logic (or the lack thereof) are just ignored and tossed aside because--ooo look shiny movie thing!! 3-D monster argh! That there are 6 or 7 different stages of life/methods of destruction in one organism is just ridiculous--the zombie effect?? WTF was that? They figure out the aliens were about to launch the death ship to earth when the crew were wiped out by their own creation, but then we're told that the aliens changed their mind about killing us. Based on what? They tried but killed themselves in the process and then tried again the second the last one was woken up, so why the hell the humans think the aliens changed their minds? And why does this "advanced" species so beyond our own have technology interfaces less sophisticaed than a speak and spell? Why would ancient cave paintings (not put there by aliens, because I guess the alien put us on earth by dumping their dead-guy DNA in a waterfall, so how the hell the cave paintings appear isn't explained) point not to the alien creators home world but to their mass-extinction warfare army installation? That's just to start.

See it in 3-d if you want, but everything in this movie is still two dimensional. And if this movie defines a new, contemporary meaning of "Deep" than y'all gotta check out my fecal deposits. now that is some deep shit.
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@7 hits it dead on.

Also...let's look at this for a moment:

black goo + engineer + water = human
black goo + worms = phallic velociraptor snake
phallic velociraptor snake + stupid "scientists" = nothing
black goo + human = double jointed zombie
black goo + human sexing it up = squid
engineer + earlier mentioned squid = Alien

This makes no sense!!!
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I agree that it's not the best sci-fi movie ever, but (*SPOILERS*):

A large part of Alien 3 dealt with the alien-parasites taking on slightly different forms depending on what species they were birthed from. Their life cycles are complex, especially depending on which stage you catch them at. We've never seen them hatch from the urns before- it seems like a larval stage, and they go through various moltings. As far as the liberties which the screenwriters/effects people took with biology go, slight changes in alien morphology are the least of my concerns. Every scene and conversation involving DNA, on the other hand... *facepalm*

I found the motivations of Fassbender's character to be quite clear. Part following orders from his boss/daddy to see if the black goo grants eternal life, part experimenting on a dude who was a dick to him.

I'll admit, the zombie thing came out of left field and really didn't need to be there.

PS @6- your fecal deposits actually are deep. Very deep. Human microbiome project FTW!
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What I haven't seen anyone address is the...improbability...of a woman basically cutting herself in half, giving herself what is euphemistically called a "caesarian section," stapling herself shut, and then spending the rest of the movie fighting aliens, running across vast fields, fields, leaping broad chasms with a single bound, dodging falling spacecraft, and rappelling herself down steep drops. Sure, every now and then she bends over and says, "ouch," but come on people! She didn't even take a sick day!
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Spoilers?

@10: I don't know what was on those pens she kept injecting herself with, but I doubt it was insulin...
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@7 and @8, I agree with you SO fully, plus another whole list of complaints. However, @7, I'm pretty sure when she said 'why did they change their minds?' she meant why did they change their minds about having created us, why did they try to destroy us after going to the trouble of making us.
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Saw the flic in Imax 3D for 16 bucks yesterday. Confusing, sanguine and, at times, silly. But the actors were good and, of course, the special effects can only be appraciated in 3D. Kudos for the hundreds of digital crew members who worked so hard to bring this flic to fruition.
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I really enjoyed Prometheus. I am 3D animator and the modeling, texturing, lighting, and animation was incredible. I have to give a big thumbs up to Weta Digital for all this wonderful eye candy. The real 3D imaging was flawless. The script and the acting was a little cheesy but overall it was entertaining to watch. I like how they explored other creatures beside the main alien. It opens up the alien world. I used to be a movie snob, but now I just go see movie to be entertained. Cant wait to see the sequel.
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I enjoyed it, if only on the level of its visuals and its star power. I don't really spend much effort following the science of the piece; we who have sex don't have the time to worry about that sort of thing. There was some bad dialogue, and on balance, I thought that all of the "smart" was unnecessary window dressing; Alien seemed smart because its plot was sparse to the point of near non-existence. This need to pack a movie with story and exposition to flatter the audience's intelligence is one of the least attractive attributes of contemporary cinema. But where a lot of blockbusters focus a lot of attention on property damage and quippy dialogue, and where independent and arthouse cinema focuses ever more sanctimoniously and sleep-inducingly on social drama and economics, it's sort of refreshing to see a movie take big questions and distill them into pure eye candy.

If anything, Prometheus failed to reach its full potential by not distilling its ideas enough--by packing too much plot, too much dialogue, too may stars into its frames. The evolutionary trajectory of a fast-mutating parasite and the gift of watching Noomi Rapace stagger around in a makeshift terry cloth bikini, played out against the backdrop of digitally enhanced Iceland, would have been enough. Questions of our engineers would have seemed smarter left undiscussed.

It seems to me that so-called "think pieces" in the mainstream cinema rob us of something by trying to have our post-movie coffee-talk for us.
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@15 FYI, my wife & I went after sex last night and there was plenty of time to worry about the science(and other,numerable) flaws, so obviously you do not know what you are talking about.
Ok, I got some of the meaning of this monstrosity figured out:

Just like Star Wars was dearly loved and appreciated creation but for some reason the creator had to go back and try to explain the back story and in the process ruin the entire thing,
and
the way the Alien films were beloved creations until they tried to go back and explain everything,
The "engineers" created humans and loved them, but, inexplicably, decided they needed to improve them or explain the back story, or something, with the usual disasterous results.
Jesus please save us. Zombie? A token fucking zombie for chrissakes? Armageddon can not come soon enough.

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And the captain of the ship, Janek, a black guy, interfaces with the ship through what appears to be a 2 turntable dj set-up?

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In general, I agree to this article
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FYI, my wife & I went after sex last night and there was plenty of time to worry about the science(and other,numerable) flaws, so obviously you do not know what you are talking about.
Just as I'm sure some chimps can type, it's almost inevitable that some people who look to arts & entertainment for scientific veracity can find the clitoris. The exception proves the rule. ;)

In any case, I reserve the right, as artist, audience, and critic, to disregard scientific veracity as flagrantly as you do paragraph structure. I don't think "it's just entertainment" is a catch-all excuse for entertainment violating the rules of logic, but, conversely, I don't think that art or entertainment necessarily needs an excuse to defy logic, except when it fails to entertain (which it obviously did for you, and did not for me--so who's right? the science nerd who gets laid, or the professional entertainer who noticed the scientific inconsistencies but couldn't be bothered to care about them?).
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@19 why so many words just to let us know you're a twat?

Not as grave as THE PREQUELS. Not as non- existant as that fevered dream I had that they'd made a fourth Indie, during which I shat my bead with puke. Not as inconsequential as Depp's "Wanka". But a fucking dire disapointment all the fucking same.
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Oh but I did really like Fassbender's rendition of a classic pulp scifi protaganist. It was a thing of beauty. Wish it had been the center of a different movie.
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Given that the ones who enjoyed the film, on whatever basis, are having their intelligence questioned, I'm afraid, @20, that I'm operating on a different definition of "twat" than are you.

Aside from that, your qualifications with regards to prequels, Indie, and "Wanka" are astute, and no one who knows squat about acting could take exception to Fassbender's performance, which you rightly laud.
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@19 it's me who is right. Or you who was on better drugs. Or both.
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@23 - It's possible; if there's a first time for everything, I don't see why my being wrong wouldn't fall under that particular rule. And I don't doubt for a moment I have better drugs; I only know there have been a good number of blockbusters that even my immaculate stash was unable to redeem.
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@22 sorry, it's your delivery. You're coming off as kind of an insufferable bore. I'm sure that's not the case but then it would seem that a masturbating peacock has stolen your quill. Good day.
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At worst, I am a sufferable bore, given the number and quality of those happy to suffer me. Even you can't help but hail me (though I imagine that, for some reason, you don't see it as a compliment) as a "masturbating peacock". You think that's a bad thing?
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I said GOOD DAY sir and/or madame!
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Just kidding. Be your highfalutin primped up self, you ain't hurtin' no one. It's all good in the neighborhood. But I will zap you with an eyeroll if I get my dander up. Pchew! pchew!
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Has Paul Constant been sniffing paint thinner?? This movie was NOT a treatise on existentialism. That's an insult to existentialism. The reason that you walk away from this movie going, "what the fuck did I just watch??" is because it's a crappy, poorly written and even more poorly directed film.

Exhibit A) an archaeologist finds yet another ancient picture of a person pointing to four balls. Conclusion: we've found our makers! (what! huh? how so! The conclusion is SO illogical that the writer skips that whole, "this is what lead us to our conclusion" speech).

Exhibit B) the same archaeologist after having thoroughly contaminating the site (she must not be a professional) carbon dates the dead bodies at 2000 years old. Her conclusion is that "this verifies our thesis statement - these guys are our makers!" Um, they're carbon dating the aliens in the year 2093. So, these guys created humans during the height of the Roman Empire? (Don't tell the Romans this, THEY thought that they were the center of the universe.)

Exhibit C) The alien in the picture isn't even pointing to home planet balls - just some random out of the way planet no where near their home planet.

These are just superficial nits - there are so many plot holes and unanswered questions you could drive a truck through them.

This gal pretty much covered them (read it and tell me I'm wrong):
http://m15m.livejournal.com/23209.html

Now, when I say unanswered questions, I don't mean "LIFE'S big questions" I mean just basic plot questions. Even existentialist movies have to make plot sense. Plot is the how of the movie - how does this thing lead to the next thing (character motivation, chronology, inner logic set up by the premise of the movie), existentialists are debating the WHY of the movie (why'd he shoot that man? we'll never know). Witness the Vanishing - an actual existential movie (they even quote Camus). That movie DID make sense plot-wise, you just never find out WHY the bad guy of the story did what he did. Plot is about story chronology there aren't existential philosophers debating how things happen, just, when they happen, whether or not those events mean anything.

You can't call a story existentialist just because it didn't make any sense (or any of its plot points don't go anywhere - even in the Vanishing the plot points actually DO go somewhere!!). This makes existentialists look like drooling idiots (I can't quite figure out how make one thing follow the next so I'm just going to say that nothing means anything and nobody'll notice that I can't figure out basic logic).

But, and here's the kicker, this ain't even an existentialist flick: the main character (the vehicle of the film and therefore the perspective through which we are looking at the film's theme) is the one with faith in a god, the reason they go to the planet is to FIND humankind's meaning. And here is another way in which the movie fails miserably: you can't figure out who the main character is (a pretty fundamental thing that even a mentally average ten-year-old can tell you) until you see the last man standing, because the movie fails to show who is driving the story, that is until there's no one else left to do the driving. This probably explains why I spent the entire time thinking, "what is the point in all of this? Why are we here (in this part of the story, or for that matter on the alien planet)? What is supposed to be accomplished? I can't tell!"

Yeah, this movie attempts to tackle the big questions by skimping on the basics: plot, character and storytelling. With those things lacking, the theme just dissolves under a muck of gooey and muddle-headed mess. The movie doesn't start until the last three minutes of the film when the "last man standing" finally decides to do something, by then it's too late. If the Stranger made any sense they would not call this existentialist, or call it a good film, or put it on it's recommends list (I want my 11 fuckin' dollars back, Stranger!).
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I said GOOD DAY sir and/or madame!
My [G/g]od(s) . . . How did you know?! ;) Even my wife can't parse that one, some days.

And thanks (truly!) for what I'm taking (correctly or not) as a Gene Wilder Wonka reference (though I protest vehemently that I never stole Fizzy Lifting Drinks).

I'll see you your eyeroll and raise you a frustrated sigh. But I think we should do a shot first. And probably another one after.

Be well!
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Ta.

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