TheMisanthrope
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6:54 AM TheMisanthrope commented on Emails From Reasonable Bernie Supporters Pour Into My Inbox.
LavaGirl, you think Bernie is some Cult of Personality, when he's just the figurehead of something larger and angrier than just supporting Bernie.

Bernie wasn't the perfect candidate. Some thought he was spft on gun control. Others pointed out his hypocrisy on military spending when it came to that joke of a plane with a Vermont factory. But, by and large, his policies were much more in line with his rhetoric. And his rhetoric was much more in line with traditional lefty morality.

But, it's not about him. This is an ideological fight against the Democrats taking over the right wing of the government as the Republicans fall off the edge. The whole political left field is wide fucking open with few candidates even playing to that crowd. Instead, they fear bad press from Fox News and Limbaugh and are perfectly happy to sidle up to big moneyed interests. Hillary is, economically, to the Right of Trump's rhetoric. She sponsors bills supported by the fucking Chamber of Commerce. This is a Democrat who is supposed to align with workers not corporations.

Washington State Democrats have been doing this for decades with Microsoft and Boeing writing bills that get rubber stamped by Republicans and Democrats alike. Both of our Senators voted for the TPP fast track, like the good Boeing lapdogs they are.

The anger at Hillary has little to do with Bernie as a candidate but more to do with Bernie's platform as an ideal. He was shoving left, and people responded (not in the numbers needed, but in very large numbers).

It distresses me to see Democrats who claim to be liberal demonize the liberals who have standards for not lining up with the Queen of Free Trade (no, Senator Murray, you don't support those ideals either). Savage is angry because we're not lining up for HIS preferred candidate, despite her having MAJOR flaws. He sees this as a flaw of the left rather than a flaw of the candidate. Of course, this is a squish brain who supported the Iraq War, so what do we expect? Cogent political rhetoric?

Basically, if you don't understand that a Bernie isn't about Bernie, then you really don't understand what's happening here, Mrs Jones.
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2:33 PM yesterday TheMisanthrope commented on An Actually Reasonable Email From an Actually Sane Sanders Supporter.
Might I add that, with Clinton, we're locked into 8 years of shitty politics. Whether it's two full terms of shitty politics from Clinton, or one term of shitty Clinton politics and one term of a shitty Republican's politics, Clinton locks us in to nearly a decade of fucking shit. The next chance we'll have for a good president from the Ds will be in 2024.

Trump...you get four years. He's a one term president, and his stated policies on the economy are far more appealing than Clinton's (if you actually believe anything he says).

I'm this close to flipping from Green to Trump just to get rid of a crappy candidate. That's how much I think a Clinton presidency will suck.

And, yes, I think TPP will be far worse than the Supremes. Clinton is not a viable solution.
1:34 PM yesterday TheMisanthrope commented on An Actually Reasonable Email From an Actually Sane Sanders Supporter.
Reasonable = lining up behind your shitty candidate
Unreasonable = Having standards

Good thing we have squish brains like you to think for us, Dan.
12:20 AM yesterday TheMisanthrope commented on Emails From Reasonable Bernie Supporters Pour Into My Inbox.
@56 The contract @50 mentions is the "Contract For America"...which I believed was the Tea Party-originated "Contract From America" from 2010 and not the Republican Party-originated "Contract With America" from the 1990s. The Contract From America led to the September 2010 Pledge to America, followed by the landslide victory in the House. Though, admittedly, that pledge resulted in no final legislation over 4 years.

You're embarrassingly naive if you believe Hillary isn't going to land is in a foreign military quagmire; those are her specialty. Maybe not because of dropping out of TPP (that's called being flip), but look at the shit she pulled in Libya. Or, maybe you don't want to acknowledge her actual hawkishness (and like avoiding the idea that she voted for the Iraq War either because she supported it or because she was duped by the expert con artist George W. Bush.

Of course, I think you're being hilariously naively optimistic of Clinton's actual political stances, and have been for months. I would love to live in your world where politicians followed through on their campaign promises and Democrats handed out flowers to every voter in their birthday. But, of course, I live in a reality where Hillary landed us in Libya, fucked up Syria, and greased arms deals for the Saudis.
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Jun 29 TheMisanthrope commented on Emails From Reasonable Bernie Supporters Pour Into My Inbox.
@51 You do realize @50 just advocated for a Tea Party signature move with the Contract for America, a non-binding piece of paper that they used to hold politicians feet to the fire for fear of abandonment. And you tell him "I feel you" while you go around insulting other people for actually holding our politicians feet to the fire. Are you being ironic, spineless, or just dumb?

And, no, I wasn't super serious about Iran, or Russia, or Canada. I mean, I kind of expect her to go guns blazing if any of the TPP countries back down once she's in office, and I think the only countries completely off limits are Saudi Arabia and the EU. Although, if she did go to war with any of those you'd totally back her, wouldn't you? Would you be willing to take responsibility for Hillary's next foreign quagmire like Libya or Iraq? And, be serious, you are totally thinking Iran is actually a possibility, however slight, otherwise you wouldn't think I was being deadly serious.

Besides, Hillary changes her mind on a lot of things. Dan calls it evolving. I call it pandering unless I see actionable items come off her desk. Because, lord knows, she's got nothing to lose by lying...just like every campaigning politician.
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Jun 29 TheMisanthrope commented on Emails From Reasonable Bernie Supporters Pour Into My Inbox.
@34 I didn't say I agreed with the Tea Party. But their tactics, their spine, and their willingness to throw candidates under the bus for not supporting their positions? Yeah, I can get behind that.

How about going to war with Canada?
Jun 29 TheMisanthrope commented on Emails From Reasonable Bernie Supporters Pour Into My Inbox.
@27 See also: Super Predators
Jun 29 TheMisanthrope commented on Emails From Reasonable Bernie Supporters Pour Into My Inbox.
@24 She could also flip flop and say the nuclear deal was bad and go to war. It's not like she hasnt flip flop flipped on deals she helped broker before (TPP/TPIP, anyone?).
Jun 29 TheMisanthrope commented on Emails From Reasonable Bernie Supporters Pour Into My Inbox.
@24 since 2008, the Republicans also won majorities in the house and the senate. It's not like they weren't successful at what they did.

I'm proud to be a founding member of the Left's version of the Tea Party.
Jun 29 TheMisanthrope commented on How I Learned To Stop Worrying About Bernie-Or-Busters and Love the Polls*.
@47 It's all well and good for you to rally around Hillary from your protected haven of Australia, but up here there are some SERIOUS concerns about Hillary and her record. There is no human I would trust to have a meaningful Mea culpa on the campaign trail, and Hillary is definitely in that category. She's not a liar because she's Hillary, she's a liar because she's a politician.

@48 Dan said he spent the better part of an hour "laying into" Pramila because she didn't want to endorse Clinton just yet. I dunno what your definition of laying into somebody is, but it's generally pretty angry in my book (and Dan isn't exactly a calm cucumber if he's not getting his way).