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9:51 PM yesterday I Hate Screen Names commented on Revolution Now Eating Its Own: Bernie Supporters Boo Bernie Sanders.
@77 But there are only two outcomes. Not voting for either outcome is indistinguishable from not doing anything at all.
1:38 PM yesterday I Hate Screen Names commented on Revolution Now Eating Its Own: Bernie Supporters Boo Bernie Sanders.
I'm really having a hard time grokking the position of the NeverHillary group here. The facts and logic here are pretty straightforward:

Fact #1: Either Clinton or Trump with be the next president of the United States.
I don't think this is in dispute. While folks talk about third-party candidates, I haven't seen anyone advance an argument than Johnson or Stein can actually win the presidency. But if someone wants to propose a realistic third option, please do so.

Fact #2: A Trump presidency will be much worse than a Clinton presidency.
Yes, Clinton is a terrible person, but she's not going to order our troops to commit war crimes, or force Muslims to register for a national database, or nominate anti-choice judges, or pull out of NATO, etc. I haven't seen any liberals really contending otherwise.

Conclusion: Given Facts #1 and #2, the sane person does what they can to get Clinton elected, which at a minimum means voting for her. There are no other realisitic options.

An analogy: suppose you're given the choice of being punched in the face or being shot in the face. You can legitimately complain that both options suck, that it's a crime to be in that position, and that the guy forcing you to make that choice should himself be shot. All good points, but when the clock runs down, you'd be a goddamn fool not to pick the punch.
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12:43 PM yesterday I Hate Screen Names commented on Revolution Now Eating Its Own: Bernie Supporters Boo Bernie Sanders.
If a Sanders supporter wants to furnish a practical strategy that defeats Trump without electing Clinton, then I'm all ears. If not, stop throwing a fucking temper tantrum.
Jul 20 I Hate Screen Names commented on Savage Love Letter of the Day: The Boyfriend Experience.
Holy fucking Christ. How do people get into these shitshow relationships?

And yes, that's a rhetorical question. I'm aware of how folks can spiral into dysfunction. I'm just amazed, and grateful for my totally sane wife.
Jul 19 I Hate Screen Names commented on Dan Savage on Jill Stein: Just No..
@55: So no response as to how voting for Stein is unlike doing noting at all. Your silences are more informative than your rationalizations.

As to your question: I can't parse that tangled sentence. But I've given up trying to get into the toxic mindset of the GOP.
Jul 19 I Hate Screen Names commented on Dan Savage on Jill Stein: Just No..
@42: So your argument is that not only does Stein have no chance in 2016, but she or the next Green candidate also have no chance in 2020. Why are you voting for them then? How-- specifically-- does that make any difference as opposed to opting out and staying home?

As to corporate rule, we're getting that either way. So it's a non-factor.
Jul 19 I Hate Screen Names commented on Dan Savage on Jill Stein: Just No..
@27: No. Most people already don't vote for either party and stay home instead. The two parties are doing just fine. If 90% of the population stayed home and 10% picked the next president-- who would thus be the choice of roughly 5% of us-- that person would still be President.

The only way to improve the two parties is to elect someone else. If you have an argument that Stein can actually win the Presidency, then I'll listen to it gladly. If not, then it's time for some damage control for 2020.
Jul 19 I Hate Screen Names commented on Dan Savage on Jill Stein: Just No..
@14: Are you brain dead? If not participating meant we get to redo the 2016 election, or that neither Clinton nor Trump take office, then I'd be not-participating like a motherfucker. But opting out does fuck-all.

Actions are judged by their consequences. And here are the possible consequences we're facing for 2016:
1. Trump presidency.
2. Clinton presidency.

That's it. There are no other outcomes. Since [2] is vastly preferable to [1], the not-shithead does what he can to make [2] a reality. Any other decision is fucking moronic.
Jul 19 I Hate Screen Names commented on Dan Savage on Jill Stein: Just No..
@9: The Democratic Party isn't going to do shit. Which is a fuckton better than a Trump-led GOP royally fucking us over. You want to take Clinton and the Dems down in 2020 and elect someone better, you have my blessing and probably my support. But TODAY, we have only two options. And one is orders of magnitude worse than the other.
Jul 19 I Hate Screen Names commented on Dan Savage on Jill Stein: Just No..
@3: 1.5 million people died as a result of the Iraq War. That's over twice the population of Seattle, dead. I'm willing to get some slime on me to prevent that from happening again. My sense of moral purity sure as shit ain't worth 1.5 million lives.

And no, it's not "[Dan's] fucking job not to have total shitbags rise to the top." It's EVERYONE'S job, yours included. Absolving oneself of the moral responsibility to vote against shitbags is PRECISELY how they rise to the top.

But I'm sure your sense of self-satisfaction is totally worth the high likelihood that my father and his (MY) family will be deported come a Trump Presidency. Asshole.