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Guess what? Alcohol at clubs = a higher chance of fighting, aggression, and dare I say it rape.
Notice there isn't much talk of fighting and tough guy shit at hardcore shows lately? It isn't because there are less straight-edge kids, it's because people in groups like FSU have disappeared for the most part.
Stop blaming your change in musical interests on the basis of whether the attendants like to drink or not. The fact you used to attend straight-edge shows doesn't earn you any street cred and really has nothing to do with the great soul music being played at the Lo-Fi. While we're on the subject, post-hardcore as a definition of a musical genre lost its meaning in the 90s.
There were also skinhead chicks with them and they chick-battled some girl and pretty much shredded her face. Bloody Hell!
The big problem was that one of the skinny's knew the bouncer so he was letting them get away with too much...
Oh by the way, the bouncer, who is African American must be racist too since he threw you out.
You're right, the bouncer was black and he seemed friendly enough with the skinheads so maybe they weren't that racist.
They were still full of hate and were there looking for a fight and not much more.
This is just another case of someone running their mouth about something they know nothing about.
Oh, sorry you got hit, but stop whining about it.
What would be a better term? Violence-addiction? Maybe you could say they had a fight-gasm? Ooh, how about pain commitment?
A skin was hit in the back of the head w/either a bottle or a glass, it's my understanding that was the first blow. I've got an email into the door girl to clarify what went down. I was standing about six feet away at the entrance to the hallway when it all happened, but I only saw Sgt. Pepper backing up screaming for the skins to fight. "Sarge" and "former soul nite fan" I'd like to hear your detailed account of what went down...well, beyond "PBR soup," whatever that means.
I saw the skins from PDX dancing.
Skinhead 'chicks' are called Skinbirds.
You know absolutely nothing about the people involved in this. Oh and calling me a greaser, wrong again douche. I'm curious who exactly you're talking about. Also who was my friend who wanted her photo taken? I am friends with a lot of people and some clarification might be nice. I'm sure this is just mindless shit talking of someone who wouldn't be able to talk a big game except in a protected forum like this.
Sgt Pepper don't be mad you got your ass handed to you in front of a large crowd of people and just like Nipper said, I saw most of this go down and someone, whether it's you or a friend of yours, hit one of them in the back of the head with a bottle. So from that point in my book, game on. Next time choose a little more carefully. Also, lets not talk about your behavior in the main room of shoving people out of the way etc. You're lucky this didn't happen earlier in the night in my book.
Pure and simple, this was a bar fight and I'm sure there were countless others that night at bars across Seattle. The only thing that makes this different is some hipster columnist decided to write about it.
I do know one thing, however, if a skinhead got hit with a drink it absolutely occurred after he threw the first punch.
Now, aside from the hilarity of a skinhead vs. Sgt Pepper bar fight, the real thing for the nipper to try and find out is what happened to the girl who came out of the bar screaming with a bloody face about 5 minutes after the initial struggle. What did she say to the skinbirds and who did she hit with a bottle?
I witnessed this, the skinhead was hit with the botlle first and it's funny how much of this you decided to leave out in your initial posting. Tell the whole truth from the get go and you may have been able to save a little face.
First off you claimed they were racist and upset about the election?!? Then this just came out of nowhere, then you admit to having some part in this. Not exactly the innocent bystander you'd like to be.
This is boring, it happened 6 days ago, and honestly it seems like you kind of brought this upon yourself. My days of sympathy for people picking fights are over.
And(this is for your Grandy)"if there's one thing more annoying than the Anglophilia involved in soul nights or scooter clubs or dressing up like Sgt. Pepper"..it's a music writer who talks crap about a certain fashionable subculture while lionizing another fashionable subculture. If a dude decides to ride a scooter and dress in a mod suit, as album artwork, whatever, it isn't any more ridiculous than, say, your hipst..er, I mean "Capital Hill club kids" riding fixies in their recommissioned 5th grade wardrobes. An outfit's an outfit, be it Sgt. Pepper or a forgotten extra from the set of the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. So if you're going to start regularly interjecting style/scene criticism into your music column, you need to widen your lens. Certainly there are a**holes in the soul night crowd just like anywhere, but last I checked they didn't have a monopoly on pretentious, or annoying, behavior.
1)ITK is a completely stupid liar
2)ITK is a large, tatted up, multiracial, reggae loving skinhead.
I bet you it's option number 1 because I don't think skinheads know how to read or use a computer :)
Assuming things isn't really one of your strong points. You're wrong on both counts.
I guess the only way I could be an anti-racist Skinhead would be that I'm multi-racial, wrong. I'm white and not even a Skinhead. And since I'm obviously in the know about what happened, the rules out being a liar. You have a very narrow view of who could possibly have any sort of an opinion on this.
In regards to your behavior, you seem to dodge some very valid and pointed questions about your behavior leading up to this incident. Maybe it's time you take responsibility for your part in this and let it drop. You're forgetting to mention you acted like a complete and utter asshole all night. When this was described to someone who left earlier in the night they guessed it was you that was involved. Shocking.
To anyone who claims this was done out of hatred, go to any number of clubs in this city and watch the exact same happen weekend afer weekend. It has less to do with the persons haircut and more about someone who needs to learn some manners.
Oh and the part about Skinheads not knowing how to read or use a computer, hilarious. I guess I could assume the same thing out of ill-mannered people who dress up like the fifth Beatle. Booooring.
Come on Sarge, no hard feelings now.
I dont know the circumstances of the fight or how it started, but that really doesnt matter. I will never understand how someone can come into such a positive event simply looking to cause trouble for people who are simply out to have a really good time to really good music. And I am going to have to go on record here to say that I agree with much of Grandy's sentiments concerning tough-guy bullshit. It has no place at Emerald City Soul Club or anywhere else as far as I am concerned.
I’m happy that you have enjoyed Emerald City Soul Club in the past and I honestly hope you get over what happened the other night and come back. That being said, I personally witnessed your rude, out of control behavior. You may have been too drunk to realize, but the girl working the door felt so threatened by you, she had to ask a couple of us come over help her. When I arrived, you were about 6 inches from face her shouting. She calmly asked you to leave and how did you reply to that? “What are you going to do to make me leave?”
To summarize the situation, if you’re still trying to figure out what happened the other night, start by looking into the mirror.
The difference between this situation and any other bar altercation is the fact that skinheads (of all types - including Anti Racist) have no middle ground, and their only response to pretty much any situation is to fight.
Having them around creates a volatile situation, which has been magnified at Soul Club where there is a diverse crowd and most people aren't going to treat the skinheads the way they want to be treated. Unfortunately, northern soul and skinheads have a long history. They will be around just like FSU kids will be around to ruin hardcore shows.
Have a beer.
Though I agree that the skinheads there were not racist/out for blood/et cetera, it is not unfair for people to assume the above statements, especially considering a strong skinhead crowd at soul club almost ALWAYS ends in some degree of violence.
If the skinheads don't want people to think they are violent, they probably shouldn't fight, and instead deal with situations like real adults.
Sgt. Pepper did not start this fight, did not get hit, and he did not get kicked out.
A completely different person walked up to a hardcore girl near Sgt. Pepper when two or three skin heads rushed at him. For some reason, the first words out of this guy's mouth were, "Wanna Go?"
Two or three skinheads (and to me it didn't appear to be the black skinhead or the Indian Skinhead) then started throwing some punches.
This occured very close to Sgt. Pepper and that's probably why people think he was invovled.
The bouncer did kick Amy and Corie out instead of the these skinheads, saying that they were his friends (probably not racist), and then the girl proceeded to punch Corie multiple times outside the lofi. Amy said that, after the bouncer kicked them out, they were pretty much sitting ducks.
Fuck ALL y'all skinheads, SHARPs, redskins, skinbirds, whatever.
Truth: this would not have even made the stranger if it was just normal dudes or hipsters fighting, way to sensationalize a subculture and play into a biased media stereotype, you just give skins more to complain about. It is funny how this made the paper but a show the next week with nearly two hundred skinheads did not, why? No fights...
ECSC was in fact started by a group that included skinheads, the first dances were supported disporportionently by skins, this was/is born out of the local skin community. Slag on them all you want, but if it was not for them and their culture you would not have a soul night
Blek!!
No more Slog for this guy.
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