News Aug 13, 2014 at 4:00 am

Both the City and Unions Want to Help Kids, but They Can't Agree on How to Get There—To Put It Mildly

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The measures sound different to me. Why is the City setting it up for them to compete? I might like to vote yes on both.
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Please don't fuck this up the way we fucked up on transit, funding, etc in the past. Go to bed, old Seattle, we'll clean this up.
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If everyone gets taxed, pre-K should be funded for all kids, not just the low income kids. Remember that tenants are funding the property taxes paid by the property owner.
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What a nice picture - A couple of Muslim girls, a couple of black boys, and an old white dude.

DIVERSITY!
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Burgess hates unions and wanted to force them to climb down. He was willing to make them go to the ballot with a competing proposal so they would lose and then he could have the advantage in any negotiations. What an asshole.
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blame the council 100%. these two different things do not conflict, they merely overlap in the general subject area -- like we have some regulations on trucking from the state and some from the feds, not a big deal.

I want to vote for both. Why is the council denying me my right to vote for both? throw out the council members who are depriving us of the right to vote on both. some of us want no, no, some want yes, no, some want no, yes, some want yes yes like me -- but we all should be able to vote.

what is the council afraid of ? democracy?
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We are fighting over pre-K because this:

"(Research shows that quality pre-K programs, among many benefits, can increase graduation rates and reduce incarceration rates; they offer generous returns on the public investment.)"

is not really true. Research is mixed, especially on how much bang for the buck you get and how long the effects last.
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@8 Really? You reject the idea of funding Pre-K wholesale?

I hope you understand that the contention is not whether to fund preschool, but how. You're kind of a lone wolf with your tea party crap.
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I'm still waiting for the discussion of where all the new pre-K classrooms are going to be located. Safe, nurturing environments, not abandoned stores in an old strip mall.

One thing for sure, the Seattle School District can't provide the space, not while its population is growing by 1000 students each year.
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I like that the unions aren't even trying to downplay the fact that I-107 is a union-written initiative that exists primarily to benefit the unions.
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@3: "Remember that tenants are funding the property taxes paid by the property owner."
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Exactly. In this article alone, two property tax funded initiatives are mentioned (park district, this preschool initiative). How do readers feel about all these costs being passed onto renters in the form of higher rents?
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ā€œFor if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them.ā€
ā€• Thomas More, Utopia
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Pre-K = free babysitting for the "gimme free shit" non-federal income tax paying crowd.

must be election season soon, liberals are offering more free stuff...

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@9, there are lots of good reasons to support pre-K for lower and middle class families.

As long as we can resist the reflexive need to set up learning "standards," and allow these establishments to run in the way their customers want them to be run (some parents want more education than play and vice versa), then pre-k won't have the same reputation for authoritarian misery that our public schools have earned.
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I fully intend on supporting the union's initiative. I 107 will train 4500 teachers and the impact will reach thousands and thousands of children. Providing pre-k workers $15/hr is very reasonable and will attract talent.

Burgess and Murray are proposing an initiative that that provides subsidize families making $150K (p22). This program is being messaged as an initiative that supports low income children and I call BS.

http://www.seattle.gov/Documents/Departm…

Anna please look into the bureaucracy and highly paid administrators in Murray's plan. You will find the person overseeing Murray's plan will make $200K per year. There are also a plethora of bureaucrats that are expected to make over $150K.

Then, Murray/ Burgess want DATA. Murray and Burgess's plan make it difficult for dollars to flow to the children.

What about campaign contrbutions to Murray's deal. According to Murray, this is the biggest thing to hit the city and the campaign is funded at $150, and the campaign has spent $36K. Who are the donors hiding behind the curtain??

Support the union plan. BTW...who leaked the brief to the Seattle Times?
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Burgess absolutely HATES unions. Burgess is the Chair of the Ed. Committee and he refused to take a position on I 1240- the charter school initiative. Unacceptable.

Charter schools have gotten into the business of prek. Does Burgess intend on including charter operators in his public/private partnerships?

The city's plan is depending on SPS facilities and SPS does not have space for Burgess's plan.

Vote I 107
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Burgess took discussion around unions behind closed doors; it is on tape. He would not allow a discussion at the dias.

"While that limited scale and slow ramp-up is deliberate to keep quality standards high as the program grows, according to city council president Tim Burgess, not everyone's thrilled."

Voters provided Burgess and the city with the biggest Family and Education Levy in the history of Seattle $232M. Burgess and Holly Miller claimed that they would "go slow' with the allocation of these dollars. They are holding the purse strings- tight- and withholding dollars from extremely high poverty schools.

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vote NO to both

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