Firdt!

I'd recommend Fetlife as a site where PUSSY could seek her unicorn/pegasus (she doesn't specify the gender of the third she seeks). This is degrading, and Fetlife is a place where she'll find people who are into being degraded.

Hmm. Family singalongs at Christmas, "angelic" compliments and familial deference to the patriarch all suggest a strong Christian backdrop to FATHER's situation. Regardless, Dan's advice is appropriate.

LW3/FATHER
Yes, the brother’s past girlfriends are indeed a clear indication. My guess is their thinking went beyond their own relationship with possible in law to, “No way I want this creep to be my children’s grandpa.”

FATHER: She could just ask in a pleasant voice "Could you stop being such a f**king creep?"

@1 BiDanFan: Congrats on being first!
Dan, excellent advice to FATHER: If her boyfriend, his mother, and brothers won't stand up to that creep, it's time to DTMFA. I would hate to think of an asshole like that having grandchildren in addition to any daughter(s) in law. Yuck.
@HOT: SPH sounds like a real disincentive to me. Don't be ashamed of anything! Your potential BF should instead be ashamed of his humiliation tactics towards you, regardless of who's on top.
@5 Stencil: That might not work if FATHER's BF and family members either can't get through to the creepy dad, or are afraid to. I had a creepy father-ini-law from hell. The only thing I did right in my one bad marriage (yeah, I know, why did I get married? All I can say was that I was much younger and lot more naive then)---was to not EVER have kids with my abusive damaged goods spouse.
@FATHER: If nobody in your BF's family will stand up to asshole dad with no boundaries, it's a red flag right there. Run, gentle maiden, while there is still time!

That nobody has been willing to hold boundaries with Creepy Dad so far isn't a great sign, but it's also not necessarily a sign that they can't learn to do so, or at least that FATHER's boyfriend can't learn to do so and support the boundaries she needs to set, even if the rest of the family won't. Whether Boyfriend is on board really determines whether it's a DTMFA situation or not. It sounds like boundaries that minimize time spent with Creepy Dad overall and that establish that they leave immediately (or Boyfriend's parents leave if they're visiting) at the first creepy comment might make a relationship workable (sticking to the consequences - no presence - when Creepy Dad inevitably makes a creepy comment is what might eventually re-train him to behave acceptably), but only if Boyfriend is 100% on FATHER's side, no exceptions (if Creepy Dad is bleeding in a ditch and solicits help with, "Help me, my sexy daughter-in-law!" he gets left to die). If necessary, a boundary of no contact at all between FATHER and Creepy Dad is also a possibility.

Boyfriend can't control how his dad acts, but he can control how he responds to that behavior and whom he tries to subject to it, and since he was raised in an environment where Creepy Dad normalized his creepy behavior, it might be worth holding out space for the possibility that Boyfriend has simply never had a model of how to deal with it in a functional, pro-social way. If that might be the case, and if he seems sincerely willing to learn (and demonstrates that commitment), it may be worth the effort. If that all sounds like too much to deal with and/or Boyfriend doesn't really seem worth the effort, it's also perfectly fine to bail for that reason.

My boyfriend supports me, but it's hard to talk about the topic, because it's his father.

Interrogate what makes this difficult, FATHER. Is Boyfriend doing things to make it difficult, like deflecting or apologizing for his dad's behavior, or is he validating your concerns and offering boundary support, with the difficulty a function of your own anxieties and discomfort? If you're making yourself feel bad about bringing it up, while Boyfriend is all, "Yeah, my dad's a creep; if you don't ever want to see him, that's cool, just let me know what kinds of boundaries you want to set and I'll back you up," that's a good sign and you can work on your own issues around being assertive about the boundaries you need in your life. (Were I to find out that my dad had been making creepy comments to a romantic partner, I'd forcefully tell him to stop and cut him out of my life if he didn't without further prompting or hesitation; a genetic relationship with me doesn't entitle anyone to treat people I care about poorly.) If you feel or initially felt fine raising the issue but Boyfriend's responses in the past have now made it a fraught issue for you to raise, that's a very bad sign.

FATHER-- Does this guy have an employer? Does he have employees? It's obvious that he's getting off on making you as uncomfortable as he can while skating just inside the harassment laws. From there, I'd guess that you're not the only one he's doing this to. Know what women do who are being sexually harassed? They either quit their jobs so they don't have to come into contact with their harassers (dump that lovely and amazing man) or they go public with exactly what's going on (the other victims recognize your bravery and come forward also). He knows his family will stay silent. He's counting on everyone else doing the same. He knows that people who are most uncomfortable (ooh, he likes that and is getting a stiffy) tend to freeze in silence and in fear. Take those poetic emails, and publish them along with documentation on how he sent them, how you told him to knock it off, and make sure the people who can hurt him the worst know what he's doing. You have nothing to lose.

Dump the fiancé because of his dad's behaviour seems a bit extreme. His father doesn't listen to his family is the message I get. So LW needs to up the ante. Email him a few links to articles re the WaVe of men being exposed as sexual predators. I always knew there was something really creepy about Kevin S, now I know the reason.
Email the links, no words.
Say this dad has an extreme narcissistic disorder. Which I've just read an article about this morning, so I'm pumped. Confronting a N does no good, they retaliate and never listen. So over time family members learn to appease them. Yrs long habits aren't broken easily.
The best way to deal with a Narcissist LW, is to exit the relationship. Refuse to visit, close the father down as a person you interact or have a relationship with. After you've sent the email.
The old bastard has already sabotaged enough of his sons' relationships.

Really Fichu @8, she's got nothing to lose? How about this man she loves. Publicly humiliating his father is not going to help keep their love alive.

re: FATHER

She seems to like the boyfriend. Before she takes Dan's advice (which may be the ultimate outcome) why not tell the father he's being creepy as fuck, needs to leave her alone and that if he doesn't, she's dumping his kid.

It's a bit of a Hail Mary but what the heck. Might work.

Pete05 @11: I think you're missing the point. Boyfriend needs to be in FATHER's corner, and not just in private. FATHER already has "told him that I don't want to receive poems from him and that he should stop complimenting me all the time. He didn't. When I told him again to stop commenting on my appearance, he responded that I must not like myself very much." "Stop or I'll dump your son"? Do you think he'll care about that? I don't. He'd probably prefer to see his son with a woman who doesn't speak up for herself. It's not FATHER's dad who's being creepy, it's the boyfriend's, and Boyfriend needs to be the one to say "Knock it off, Dad, you're scaring my girlfriends away. If you can't behave we won't come and visit anymore."

One question is how old these people are. If Boyfriend's parents are, for instance, still paying for his college education, it's more understandable that he's reticent to challenge them. Still, though, he could "support" FATHER by not taking her to family gatherings. If he's a self-sufficient adult who is simply under the spell of a charismatic asshole, therapy may be in order to help him deal with the unpleasant truths about his dad.

I just thought of an idea or two, three, or four for FATHER if her boyfriend is the saint his Dad From Hell isn't but she's contemplating marriage, anyway: elopement (cheaper than a wedding!) and move far, far away (funded with money saved from the lack of a wedding!) from [his] Dad From Hell. Make use of Caller ID and Call Block, too, to avoid the ugly possibility of harassing phone calls. Screen emails and texts. Remember what creature excessively uses Twitter (Reason #1 why I avoid Twitter altogether).
Such suggestions might not solve all of FATHER's problems, but would likely get her and her BF away from his creepy dad, or at least add some much needed distance and space.

@13: On second thought, no--not a good idea for marriage. FATHER would become related by law to her BF's asshole dad. Never mind my comment @13 (geez-and I haven't had any alcohol yet today!).
@FATHER: BiDanFan's recommendations @12 are infinitely better than the ones I just unwisely posted, especially after coming out of an abusive marriage! Shame on me.

So--here's better advice for FATHER: don't go to the extreme of getting married, but insist on keeping your distance. If his creepy dad knows no boundaries, it's HIS tough shit--you and your boyfriend won't go see him or have anything further to do with him. Assert this to your BF. It'll be your BF's creepy dad's loss.

re FATHER: Aside from setting clear boundaries around the old man's direct behavior, and clarifying whether boyfriend is really on-board, the couple needs to get into counseling to deal with the legacy of an emotionally incestuous family structure. The old man is poaching on his own son's emotional life, sex life, and love relationship, and at least subconsciously getting off on the incestuous power play and transgression. Creepier even than the direct effect of coming on to the letter writer.

This behavior didn't just come out of nowhere recently (ex-girlfriends are one indicator, but that's just confirmation) and has very likely had long-term subconscious toxic effect on the family, including the mother who just passively rolls over. And it is unlikely it's isolated, unidimensional behavior in a vacuum; there are very likely other long-term toxicities and transgressions in the family. And if the therapy is not supportive and effective of change, including of attitude and passivity, then def DTMFA. (And go in willing to address own stuff, too - nobody's without stuff.)

FATHER: Block the creepy Dad 100%. Block his email, number and any other forms of communication with him. Refuse to be in the same house as him. You told him to stop making you uncomfortable and he refused - so the only option now is to stay away from him. Tell your boyfriend and make sure he's on your side with this. If he wants you to hang around with creepy Dad, you're gonna have to dump him - because the behavior is only gonna get worse.

Point of order: At no point did FATHER mention engagement, marriage or future children. Some commenters are getting wayyyy ahead of themselves here.

10- Lava-- You do make a good point. I was coming at it from the standpoint that she's already losing her boyfriend if, as it seems, his "support" is a matter of telling her he agrees that the guy is creepy but then not following through either by telling his father to knock it off or to shun his father forever after.

(Wasn't there a Sex And The City episode where Charlotte is dating a guy whose father makes a pass at her, and when she tells him, he gets all angry at her accusing her of making it up because his father is a great guy who would never do such a thing?)

"I don't have a problem with your English—it's doubtless better than my [insert your mother tongue here]" = dumb 'joke' every English-speaking foreigner heard a gazillion billion times. Usually from the mouths of native English speakers who haven't bothered learning any other language.

I know this is tangential, but the fact that Dan first ran his response to HOT without this hilarity (in SLLOTD last week), and then decided to add it in on the second cycle, just made me facepalm so hard. Please, people, it's not funny. It's stupid, patronising, and eye-rollingly predictable. You can do better.

Lost @20: Or perhaps a combination of a compliment and a self-deprecating acknowledgment that multiple languages are not most Americans' strong point. You're correct that it's not actually a "joke." The shit immigrants get thrown at them in America, and that gets your goat? Lighten up.

BDF “point of order” @ 18
I thought she’s the one engaged and after checking out the letters again realized I got confused with the previous one.
That said, if she continues the relationship with that guy then his father’s behavior in different situations should be taken into considerations.
I was also speculating that older bro’s gf’s decided to call it quit once realizing the father can’t be stopped by the family and is likely to interact with any if-and-when children.
“Go ahead sonny, you and your lovely wife should go watch HUMP! while I take good care of the kids.”

Bi @21. Yeah, I get that people who say this to me tend to think that they're giving me a compliment or making some sort of self-depreciating witticism. I also get that this thinking is borne out of unchecked privilege. In exactly the same way some men genuinely think that making a sleazy comment on a strange woman's appearance is a compliment, and if she doesn't appreciate it she should "lighten up".

Learning another language is hard. Someone who can express themselves with near-fluency in another language would've spent thousands of hours (and likely thousands of dollars) studying and practicing it. How much of a compliment is it really to say that their English is better than your Italian, Chinese, Russian, etc., when your knowledge of Italian, Chinese, Russian, etc. is zero/ almost zero? "Hey foreign person, I can see you're not a native speaker like me, but I'll humour you anyway. Who's-a-good-boy?! I haven't bothered learning your language, btw, because I didn't need to". If you think someone's English is very good (or good enough), just say that. Better still, just engage with what they're trying to say, and skip the unsolicited "compliments" on their English skills. Trust me, they've heard this line a zillion times before, and it wasn't that amusing to start with.

As for "The shit immigrants get thrown at them in America, and that gets your goat?" - most people are able to care about more than one issue at a time. The existence of overt racial abuse, discrimination and hate speech doesn't mean that subtler microagressions are not worth pointing out. Also, not everyone here is in America :)

#3: How often do you have to see the father? With weird family stuff, if it's something that happens once a year on Thanksgiving or Christmas, and everything else is otherwise good, I'd say just ignore. If it's a weekly thing, then that's a different issue.

I've got a couple of crank relatives, and one really homophobic one, and they WANT me to engage in their nonsense. I only see them once a year, or every other year, so I just ignore them for a few hours and am on my way.

@18 BiDanFan: Did you not see my comments @14 & @15? I realized my mistake (Marriage?!? Bad idea in FATHER's case, because she would enter into an abusive family situation!) and offered FATHER your much better recommendations (@12) instead. My comment @13 was bad advice about marriage. Truly, what was I thinking? And I can't make the excuse of being drunk when I made the post, either. In defense of at least part of my previous comments (@13-@15), I speak from past painful experience from a bad relationship. I saw a lot of similarities in FATHER's letter about her boyfriend back when my (now ex's) Prince Charming mask was on, and felt a strong sense of forewarning was needed, melodramatics aside. But I do agree on some strong points you made:
@FATHER: I corroborate with BiDanFan on recommending that you block all calls and emails from your BF's creepy dad, keep a safe distance, and insist your BF back you up 100%. Otherwise, I would DTMFA. BF's family is the way it is and you won't be able to change that.
@22 CMDwannabe: I was under that feeling, too, that upon reading FATHER's letter she was contemplating a long term relationship with her current boyfriend, with or without marriage and / or kids. Like I just told BiDanFan [@18], I emotionally hit the panic button.

Lost @23: I know that. I'm not in America. (Gotcha!) I'm originally from the US, but I moved to a different country, making me... guess what... an immigrant. With a funny accent. Who gets all sorts of tedious "where are you froms" and references to "going home" -- meaning my country of origin. Yes, I eyeroll at those, but I'm not going to go on some nitpicky scolding crusade about them. Dan didn't compliment HOT's English out of the blue; HOT himself brought it up in the P.S. If the non-English speaker has referred to their own English skills, "don't worry, they're better than my non-existent second language" is a perfectly valid response.

Griz @25: Yes, of course I saw your comments @15 and @16, which are an example of what I was responding to. The LW never mentioned that they were considering marriage. So jumping ahead and saying it was a bad idea was superfluous. Sure, they're at meet-the-parents stage, which means it's not outside the realm of eventual possibility, but it's a bit heteromononormative to assume that every relationship is heading in that direction.

Speaking of subtle microaggressions and nitpicky scolding. :)

@24 sfguy: I'm veering slightly off topic (re: FATHER) here, but sometimes, with blood family & relatives, it ends up becoming a case of finally having to choose between all or nothing. I have two much older sisters who are exceedingly clingy, bossy, meddlesome, vain, argumentative, jealously possessive, unreasonably demanding narcissists (say that 3 times fast at a family reunion!), each with her own ridiculous "schedule" and self-serving agenda. In the case of [my] staying in touch or having nothing further to do with my sisters, I'll choose the latter. Neither one is worth the exhaustingly endless hassle. After 50 years of bullshit and abuse from them from trying to make a futile situation actually work at family get-togethers, it has been infinitely healthier and saner for me to just cut their hideous apron strings and move on.
Back to FATHER: It sounds like this is something she'll seriously have to weigh concerning her current boyfriend's family--especially his creepy dad.

@27 BiDanFan: Not to be nit-picky (subtle microaggressions...?), but I think you meant [my] comments @14 & @15...? Either way, I've taken my 50 lashes with a wet noodle.

Rockyboy @16 naming the incestuous component and the LW and her beau seeking some therapy re that, is interesting.
It's true, this old sleaze is encroaching on his son's sexual and emotional autonomy, and has been doing it with multiple sons.

Lost @23: It's fascinating to me that you think "Your English is far better than my x" is a microaggression. It wasn't unsolicited; the writer mentioned that English wasn't his first language, and apologized for possible errors, and the comment you're objecting to was in response. It's not meant as a joke, it's absolutely meant as a kind comment, an acknowledgement that the other person has done the work to learn an entire other language, something the American making the comment probably hasn't done, and so certainly isn't in any position to be nitpicking mistakes.

How the hell is this aggression of any size? I'm astonished that you would take a well-meant comment like that and hear:
> "Hey foreign person, I can see you're not a native speaker like me,
> but I'll humour you anyway. Who's-a-good-boy?! I haven't bothered
> learning your language, btw, because I didn't need to".

What would you suggest the American say instead? What would not sound aggressive to you?

And by the way, since, as you point out, learning a language is a tremendous amount of work, many people don't bother if they don't need to. The fact that in the current world set-up that means Americans mostly don't need to isn't actually our fault. It's odd to point out that it's a lot of work and then be mad that we didn't do it when we didn't need to--especially given that our school systems generally don't require more than one year of any foreign language, meaning if you meet an American who does speak another language, they undertook that study completely voluntarily. Obviously I don't know about your situation, but most of the friends I know who aren't native English speakers took a good eight years of English in school.

Griz @29: Don't take it personally; it's quite easy to take something from the comments or superimpose our own experiences and run with details that never appeared in the original letter. I'm sure I've done the same. ("Subtle microaggressions" was lifted from Lost @23's diatribe against something no more harmful than a hackneyed phrase that gets on her nerves. Combining my threads here.)

Oh was that poster having a go at Americans. I just glanced at it. I'm here to say I love Americans, not all of them. You guys here are powerhouses, I look on in wonder.

America is the heat and heart centre of the planet.

@32 BiDanFan: No sweat. I'm afraid I did get a little over-emotional, though, regarding FATHER's letter to Dan this week. Too close for comfort! I had a dirty old mental case first as creepy dad to my then BF in the service (BF and I were stationed across town from each other way back when)--and THEN, as father-in-law-from hell for real (again, I blame my own naivete, dumb belief that I "needed" to get married because all my high school friends did, and active sex drive in my mid to late 20s, despite my lack of experience or how or when to say no).
It is a daily comfort to not have my ex or his messed up family in my life any longer. My ex's father took pride in announcing that his granddaughter (my ex's younger sister's girl when she was little) routinely mooned him. My ex's youngest sister had had to call the police on their dad for going totally crazy. He was lewd, belligerent, and ill-tempered.
@33 & @34 LavaGirl: Bless you. It's comforting o know that not everyone in the world considers us Dumb Americans, despite the shitwipe currently stinking up the White House. Do you have any suggestions as to how soon we can rid this world of the evil Trumpzilla / Pencezilla regime?

@35: We-elll.......we're not all Dumb Americans. The dumbest ones control all three branches of government.

Damnedest thing: I manage to comment best and with fewest typos when I'm "comfortably numb" (read: with sufficient red wine in me). I finished studies tonight and rewarded myself with late post-Halloween movies. Heaven bless you, gentleman Gene Wilder---you'll always be Willy Wonka, Dr, Frankenstein--and the Waco Kid to me.

Griz @35: I'm sorry you had to put up with a pervy father-in-law as well as your awful ex-husband. Makes sense that "don't marry him!!" would be your gut reaction. (I'm having a similar one to the 23-year-old in the "Quickies" SLLOTD who's supporting her 26-year-old depressed, or maybe just disillusioned, boyfriend. I made the mistake of marrying him, too -- dumbest financial decision of my life!)

Lava @33: As a now expat, I often say that the best Americans are the ones who leave ;)

But Fan, are they the bravest? Americans live with the maddest Volcano, which if it erupts will end most of life on earth. America created Bobby Dylan and all these amazing amazing musicians. It's a wild place to be sure.
From way down here, the times are so reminiscent of the sixties. Another cultural revolution is occurring.

Mind you, we are, as usual, not far behind. Fucking Milo is talking to sold out crowds here. Scary.

@1: Can’t speak for your experiences but Fetlife seems to not be geared to dating (certainly locally) versus events and blogging as far as I’ve observed it.

@39: “But Fan, are they the bravest?“

As one whose partner desperately wants to distance themselves what the US has become, “brave” itself is a value judgment for a vote that may be uncounted, a voice unheard, and a “opposition” party that’d rather devour itself than combat any forces of evil.

What a weird creepy dad.
I’d shank his ass next family gathering (or at least brandish it aggressively) if he got weird again. That’d do the trick, I’m sure. Kick his ass, FATHER!

@40: Very sorry to hear that, Lava. I always cringe when others laugh at American regressives and poke fun as if it can’t happen where they live.

These cancers spread and reinforce each other.

@38 BiDanFan, @39 LavaGirl, and @42 undead ayn rand: However severely divided the States, I remain in my birthplace for exactly the reason undead has just given: if too many of us leave in mass exodus, the Evil Empire of over-abundant testosterone and fossil fueled corporate dictatorship wins. I vote. I attend town hall meetings. I contact my legislators. I conserve (one big reason why, despite my beloved VW coming from the Oil Embargo days of the 70s and being a thrifty little car) to save for pleasure trips (the beach: San Juans, Washington / Oregon Coast, etc.), and, as someone with no children of my own among speakers for the voiceless (i.e.: my great nephew among the younger generations, who at 11 still can't vote for another 7 years).

@45: But that's just my VW and me. We're just small specks in the Earth's atmosphere and global equation.

Regarding solo sex being a possibility for 'totally safe': Did you know that if you sneeze and orgasm at the same time you can crack a rib? Neither did I and man was that an annoying couple of weeks while it healed.

@40 LavaGirl: Oh, Lava---Australia (re: Milo) is not far behind our benighted Trumpzillan nightmare shell of a once great country? How truly horrid! You, your family and loved ones all have my deepest sympathy. I'm very sorry to learn that. *Sigh* What to do but resist and let the world know that we don't think, act and live the way that our corrupt occupants in high office grossly misrepresenting us do?
Sending hugs, positrons, and VW beeps for strength!

@48 And where were the profiteering fatten-and-dumb-down RepubliKKKan idiots, now crying Trumpzilla foul, A YEAR AGO--when they could have made a big difference for the infinitely better in the general election? Generations will feel the butt-hurt for decades to come, all so that so few could see "record profits and tax breaks".

@49: Just one more political comment and then I'll shut up: I think I can safely say, nine months and three weeks too fucking long already, that the insane number of rabid Trumpzilla apologists is (one can only hope!) finally starting to dwindle at increasing speed---and that the poorest, sickest and least educated (yet relying most heavily on public assistance!) in red caps are realizing that they've been duped. My question is, will those scammed by Trumpzilla and its swamp creatures come forward and do what is possible to help ITMFA and overturn this evil regime?
Okay---next commenter.

@47 Chakat Firepaw, ouch.. that was unfortunate. Sneezes, you know they happen when a ghost passes thru you? Obviously in your case, a rather rude ghost. Watching you masturbate.
Seriously. A broken rip hurts. Condolences.

Yes, undead and Grizelda, the little weasle is talking to sell out crowds. Very distressing that he was even allowed in the country after his pedophile comment. The news is staying low profile mostly, when they do write something, I chime in with his pedophile line. The rest of him the creeps agree with.

Some of them probably agree with his pedophile line too, they have to pretend they don't. Sick fucks everywhere.

@47 Chakat Firepaw: Seriously--ouch is right! A cracked rib from sneezing during orgasm? I second LavaGirl's condolences to you. No fun. I hope you heal quickly and feel better soon.
@51 LavaGirl: I'm so sorry. That's really awful. There truly are sick fucks everywhere.
If only we could curb the raging testosterone, gun nutzyism, neo-fascism, cruel injustice, abuse, corruption, and misogyny, hate crimes against humanity and nature. Would planet Earth really be so boring with world peace?
So much daily madness is largely why I avoid Twitter and instead focus on music, my sweet little Love-Beetle, and cats. Meditation has become difficult with my VW in the shop. On the good side, however, we are entering another nasty La Nina winter season, as predicted by weather forecasters. At least my beloved VW is in a garage and not exposed directly to frigid icy temperatures and harsh elements. What to do when I am to get my car back and we've got 3 feet of snow half-melted and re-frozen (Bellingham becomes a skating rink at that point)?
Meanwhile, the gluttonous fossil fuel industry insists on ten zillion useless coal (really, China doesn't need or want it!) and dangerous Bakken crude bomb trains through our part of the world, destroying everything for corporate gain.
At least I have the Veteran's Crisis Hotline to share: 1 (800) 273-8255 when life gets really crazy and I have trouble sleeping.

Lava @39: It takes courage to move to a new country, but you're probably right, it takes a lot more bravery to live in a country with so many millions of guns. The bravest Americans are the proudly unarmed. I salute you for doing your bit to at least not make the violence any worse.

@54 BiDanFan: I guess you could say I have had to be very brave for a great deal of my life, and not just during the four in which I served my country. Five decades without licensed ownership or use of any firearms, and I had to battle my butt off during my one bad marriage against having kids and guns.

@55: Slight correction. I did use a Colt .45, in basic training. Fortunately that was the only time in my life to use a gun---during military drills. I'm so glad that's over. Guns have been a sensitive issue in my immediate (human) family ever since a young uncle of mine shot himself.

FATHER needs to tell her boyfriend to pretend this is anyone else in the world other than his dad, and react that way. If his reaction is still the same, she needs to go.

May the consequences of today's election not be as shamefully horrible as those of November 8, 2016.