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Speaking of Dedicated Bike Humpers...
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This strategy would never work in Seattle because everyone is so out to make sure they get their fair share of everything. If cars don't get to run red lights, bikes shouldn't either. "And so it goes."
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Why can't we go to all-walk cycles that allow bikes to move through the intersection at the same time as pedestrians then otherwise following the light direction for greens? Sure, they'll have to make sure they don't mow down pedestrians, just like drivers have to be sure they don't hit a cyclist.
I still like the curb idea that was in a video posted a while ago.
I still like the curb idea that was in a video posted a while ago.
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In Boise the law states that for cyclists all stop signs are yield signs, and all red lights are stop signs.
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It wouldn't work in Seattle because drivers would never put up for that. If Seattle ever did enact something like this, the it would be followed with a roar of drivers and pedestrians demanding bikes undergo registration (now that they get special benefits, like the ability to run red lights).
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Because fuck pedestrians? I swear, all of this war on bikes/war on cars crap and those of us on foot get screwed again. Cyclists, drivers, I hate you all, stop trying to run us over.
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There is at least one light for cyclists in Seattle, in Fremont. I would like to see more. I think one would be appropriate for southbound cyclists south of the U Bridge. Law abiding cyclists can have a bear of a time crossing two lanes of traffic to make a left on Harvard on the way to Capitol Hill. It is one of the very few instances where I believe running the red can be safer than waiting for the green. A bike light would make it even safer.
I would rather see a more lax take on stop signs than stop lights. It may be illegal, but everyone, be they in a car or on a bike, more or less blows through them if no one else is around. May as well make it official.
I would rather see a more lax take on stop signs than stop lights. It may be illegal, but everyone, be they in a car or on a bike, more or less blows through them if no one else is around. May as well make it official.
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Cyclists can't legally run red lights now? News to me. It means nothing to me of course, but how cute that there's actually a law about it.
None of this will matter in 20 years of course, when only the super rich can buy gasoline and the rest of you have finally come around to the superiority of the bicycle. Or died.
None of this will matter in 20 years of course, when only the super rich can buy gasoline and the rest of you have finally come around to the superiority of the bicycle. Or died.
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I think the "Seattle is special" Stranger meme is a bit out of place here. I don't think ANY American city would try this. At least, not unless Paris' experiment proves to be an outstanding success, and even then it wouldn't be too popular of an idea anywhere.
Americans drive. Americans love cars. Americans have built their whole way of life around them. And as much as people like to get away with breaking rules, people never support allowing others to break rules. Which is how this policy would be perceived.
Americans drive. Americans love cars. Americans have built their whole way of life around them. And as much as people like to get away with breaking rules, people never support allowing others to break rules. Which is how this policy would be perceived.
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I've got an idea for creating a bike corridor. To illustrate, imagine it played out on10th between Roy and John. It could serve as a two way bike track with limited use road for cars, parking only. The road would one way for cars, say southbound, At each intersection, place barriers that cars would have to maneuvre around, but were easy for bicycles to pass through. Each intersecting road would be alternating one ways with a stop sign as they cross 10th. This would create a situation where a bicyclist would only have to check in one direction as they cruised down the road. Does this seem like it could work? Any thoughts or adjustments?
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"[T]his strategy would never work in Seattle because..."
of HILLS.
This seems like it might be a pretty good idea, but the thought of more bikes flying through limited visibility intersections against opposing traffic at downhill speeds makes me crap my pants, and I drive downtown less than once a month.
As a daily downtown pedestrian, this scares me in a completely different way.
of HILLS.
This seems like it might be a pretty good idea, but the thought of more bikes flying through limited visibility intersections against opposing traffic at downhill speeds makes me crap my pants, and I drive downtown less than once a month.
As a daily downtown pedestrian, this scares me in a completely different way.
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Hmmm...not enough troll bait.
An anonymous source mentioned that if the experiment is successful in Paris, all French cyclists will be required to run redlights at all times. French doctors will get a special taxpayer bonus if they can prove that they were running a red light while on their way to perform a partial birth abortion. Also. Islamic women will only be allowed to run red lights if they do so in full speed cycling uniforms with their heads completely uncovered.
That should do it.
An anonymous source mentioned that if the experiment is successful in Paris, all French cyclists will be required to run redlights at all times. French doctors will get a special taxpayer bonus if they can prove that they were running a red light while on their way to perform a partial birth abortion. Also. Islamic women will only be allowed to run red lights if they do so in full speed cycling uniforms with their heads completely uncovered.
That should do it.
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As long as drivers can legally run over bicyclists who run the red lights, I don't see any problem with this.
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So stupid. Cyclists (incl me) have to accept that people HATE US when we run red lights. They just do. So cut it out. And don't bother changing the law, it won't help.
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I'm going to jump on the "cyclists run red lights anyway" bandwagon, but not because I'm bitter that cyclists do this; I walk against the light all the time- I just honestly think installing lights would be a massive waste of money... sort of like that green bike stop strip on Pine & 12th which in theory is supposed to keep cars back & prevent them from turning right on red, but instead gets ignored and unenforced by police even though its quite literally right outside their front door.
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@12 --
What about emergency services, garbage collection, and delivery to all the people who live in the apartments addressed off 10th Avenue East?
What about emergency services, garbage collection, and delivery to all the people who live in the apartments addressed off 10th Avenue East?
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Red Light = Stop Sign would work, if the bicyclists stopped.
No Red Light woudn't work. Bicyclists too dumb to check oncoming traffic will get creamed. I promise you there are bicyclists too dumb to check.
No Red Light woudn't work. Bicyclists too dumb to check oncoming traffic will get creamed. I promise you there are bicyclists too dumb to check.
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Cyclists are already doing this here, so woop dee doo.
I wouldn't mind, if twice a week I didn't see a bicyclist in spandex on a $1200 bike burn through a dangerous fast moving intersection. Can't imagine what would happen if you told all of these assholes that "red means green".
I wouldn't mind, if twice a week I didn't see a bicyclist in spandex on a $1200 bike burn through a dangerous fast moving intersection. Can't imagine what would happen if you told all of these assholes that "red means green".
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@23.
That's something that I hadn't considered. Perhaps the barrier could just be half the road allowing those types of vehicles to get in, perhaps something else. It's really just an idea in the rough. I'd live to work through it with others input.
That's something that I hadn't considered. Perhaps the barrier could just be half the road allowing those types of vehicles to get in, perhaps something else. It's really just an idea in the rough. I'd live to work through it with others input.
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I'm not too surprised that Paris is proposing this. Back in the Cretaceous period ( AKA the mid 80's), I was riding my bike through that city. I started walking my bike (into traffic) down a short one-way street. A sanitation worker stopped me and asked why I didn't just ride. I said I thought it was illegal. He smiled, spread his arms wide, & said "c'est Paris...Tout est legal"
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As long as it also means when I have the green I can run over cyclists crossing against the red with impunity, I'm all for it.
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