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seandr 1
You mean the bow? Charles, when you interpret a bow as an insult, perhaps it's time to step back and reassess your intellectual framework.
Posted by seandr on February 15, 2012 at 8:29 AM · Report this
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'Race'? Best of luck with that construct.

(But I'm sure it will take you very very far into the hallowed halls human misery and hate.)

Fuck dude, you can do better than that.
Posted by SweetDarkLord on February 15, 2012 at 8:31 AM · Report this
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What is it you see at :29? I didn't see anything noteworthy, just a lot of triumphal male noises and gestures. I'm enjoying the contrast between the beauty of his movements and the utter plainness of his features.
Posted by gloomy gus on February 15, 2012 at 8:33 AM · Report this
cracked 4
What? Who did what? I don't get it...
Posted by cracked on February 15, 2012 at 8:34 AM · Report this
cracked 5
@3 "utter plainness of his features"

wtf?
Posted by cracked on February 15, 2012 at 8:35 AM · Report this
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The bow struck me more as a dojo "before and after event"/"move from seeing one too many bad kung-fu" flicks sort of thing. I don't think it was an insult, unintended or deliberate.
Posted by palamedes on February 15, 2012 at 8:47 AM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 7
OK, let's be realistic here. This is not the most nonsensical thing Chuck has ever posted.

But it's on the short list.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on February 15, 2012 at 8:54 AM · Report this
STJA 8
In footage of his 38 point game against the lakers there were also signs that IIRC mentioned "Emperor Lin" and "The Yellow Threat" or yellow something. I don't know the race of the folks with those signs. But yeah, doing a japanese-style bow or whatever that was to the Asian guy is kinda fucked up.

@1 - It's not an insult to Lin. It's a racist compliment.
Posted by STJA on February 15, 2012 at 8:59 AM · Report this
venomlash 9
@7: I think you mean on the short bus, amirite?
Posted by venomlash on February 15, 2012 at 9:00 AM · Report this
Joe Szilagyi 10
For an established NBA player to freaking BOW to a guy that's functionally been in the league less than a month--a MONTH--is astonishing. Read Lin's wikipedia page. There are a literal metric fuck ton of college coaches, recruiters, and NBA staff kicking themselves right now.

The Knicks may have won the goddamn lottery here with a hybrid of an Allen Iverson and John Stockton.
Posted by Joe Szilagyi http://twitter.com/joeszi on February 15, 2012 at 9:00 AM · Report this
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It's not that it's an insult. Guy's an Asian-American. The bowing is playing off of his presumed culture based on his race. This is not complicated. I expected like a quick head nod/bow, not this full-on-bow-with-hands-pressed-together business.

It's not making a slanty-eyes gesture, but it's not fully innocent either.
Posted by Jason Petersen http://fixedpoints.net on February 15, 2012 at 9:01 AM · Report this
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Somebody needs to ask the dude what he was trying to express. At first, I thought maybe he was making some Charlie Chan face, but all I see is a fucking big smile. Plus, I'm looking at his hands... is that the universal "T" for time? Is he bowing to Lin's brilliant time-management?

'Cause if he is, he should. So should they all.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on February 15, 2012 at 9:02 AM · Report this
Fifty-Two-Eighty 13
Yeah, well, that too, VL.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on February 15, 2012 at 9:02 AM · Report this
loopback 14
He wasn't doing a "Japanese Style" bow, and his hand motions weren't for forming a 'T' or anything like that. It was the open hand/fist salute that's standard in a lot of martial arts circles. So yeah, potentially a prejudicial thing, but I'd chalk it up more to cultural appropriation. Even Charles does it with his "Does he think he's RZA?", because, hello, the Wu-Tang Clan was all about appropriation of a variety of kung-fu moviehouse stereotypes and tropes. Because doing a kungfu bow to RZA would have been appropriate, apparently? Really though, if Lin doesn't have a problem with it, all the non-Chinese people should mention it being "a bit weird" and then get on with their lives.
Posted by loopback on February 15, 2012 at 9:09 AM · Report this
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@ 8 - there was a sign that said "Yellow Mamba," playing off Kobe's "Black Mamba" nickname.
Posted by UnoriginalAndrew on February 15, 2012 at 9:18 AM · Report this
STJA 16
@15 - Thanks, yeah, that's what I was thinking of.

That's interesting, as a play off Kobe's nickname... Still strikes me as racist. I've never heard "yellow" used neutrally.
Posted by STJA on February 15, 2012 at 9:25 AM · Report this
seatackled 17
Though it may not be intended as an insult, but what #8 said: there's something kind of fucked up about doing a bow like that to an Asian American guy out of the blue (as opposed to, say, if it were an Asian American in a martial arts studio or at some sort of ceremony where it's expected).

It reminds me of that mayor in CT who said he might have some tacos to help the Latino community. It wasn't exactly intended to be racist, but it was a stupid remark to start with, and the more he defended it, the more apparent his ignorance became.
Posted by seatackled on February 15, 2012 at 9:25 AM · Report this
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@16

"Yellow Mamba" is a little racist but can you really imagine anyone being offended by it? He is being compared to one of the best basketball players ever.
Posted by chriss4 on February 15, 2012 at 9:29 AM · Report this
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Right, and that video where Lin and another teammate do an elaborate handshake routine wherein Lin mimes being a nerd reading a book is definitely a sign that the teammate is an ignorant believer of the "Asians are all smart math nerds" stereotype.

Teammates tend to have all sorts of little celebratory gestures with each other. Which is to say, if Lin's teammates are bowing to him, it's probably because he's in on the joke, not because they're ignorant of how to interact with Asian Americans.
Posted by Rex Manning Day on February 15, 2012 at 9:30 AM · Report this
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Ah, the bow from the teammate. I figured that was another jokey gesture like the handshake he has with Landry Fields. @5, I didn't mean to insult your taste if you find him handsome, that's cool. I'm sure back in the day there were Sonics fans who mooned over Jack Sikma too. But Lin's homeliness is sort of an endearing feature, it goes with his evident joy in the game. Gorgeous in motion but quite ordinary looking - I really do enjoy the contrast.
Posted by gloomy gus on February 15, 2012 at 9:31 AM · Report this
seatackled 21
So if you think that Charles is being ridiculous here and that this really is a compliment, and you're not Asian or Asian American, here's what you might try: when you see some Asian Americans at work and on the street, bow to them like this and observe what happens. When at work, do this especially with Asian Americans who are your peers or who outrank you. And do this in front of many people. Tell us what happened when you've done this.
Posted by seatackled on February 15, 2012 at 9:35 AM · Report this
gttim 22
My Asian girlfriend is always quick to respond to comments about "her people" with: "You mean people from upstate New York?"

The guy did not mean anything negative towards his teammate, but he would have been better off with a "I'm not worthy" bow or something.
Posted by gttim on February 15, 2012 at 9:43 AM · Report this
cressona 23
Sure, the bow was uncouth, but it was meant in appreciation to a comrade. The wonderful thing about a sports team is that, if the team is truly functional, it doesn't matter what ethnicity or nationality or education level your teammate is; all that matters is that he's your teammate and whether he's a good teammate. This is one of the great redeeming qualities of team sports, and in this respect it resembles a military unit.

Speaking of which, I'm reminded of that quote from the Duke of Ellington, "The Battle of Waterloo was won on the playing-fields of Eton."
Posted by cressona on February 15, 2012 at 9:43 AM · Report this
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@10 "literal metric fuck ton" is now my favorite unit of weight.
Posted by Chicago Fan on February 15, 2012 at 9:45 AM · Report this
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You know, intention counts when interpreting a gesture, and so does the relationship between the participants. This was obviously a sign of respect by a teammate. Hell, it could easily be something that they've done before in jest. At the very worst interpretation it's well intentioned but tone-deaf. But if we're going to take this interpretation, even discussing Lin, who is as American as all the other guys on this team, as exceptional in part because of his race, is just as "tone-deaf". Awareness of race and culture does not equal racism, for fucks sake.
Posted by Lynx on February 15, 2012 at 9:58 AM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 26

Amazing, and just think, a few months ago when Lin flew into town it was like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twUCEfzr…

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on February 15, 2012 at 10:05 AM · Report this
sirkowski 28
They're basketball players, not the political science PC police. Can you imagine all the racist banter that gets tossed amongst friends and coworkers inside the locker room? Take that stick out of your ass and stop being offended on the behalf of people you know nothing about.

Gotta love how we should never share culture and never stray outside our own ethnicities.
Posted by sirkowski http://www.missdynamite.com on February 15, 2012 at 10:21 AM · Report this
lark 29
Good Morning Charles,
Good on you for your vigilance. If it's an embarrassment to your race it's an embarrassment to mine or ours if you will as well, the human race.

@21 has a point. However, coming from Lin's teammate, it appears to have been an act of endearment and respect for having won the game with such a sensational shot. So, I guess one could accept or not the context. Still, I wouldn't do it. I think a handshake and/or pat on the back is fine. But, I don't play NBA basketball. Let alone the way Lin does. Good on him.

Posted by lark on February 15, 2012 at 10:28 AM · Report this
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Fucking Charles does everything he can to see racism in every possible word or action anybody makes.

Charles, you need to lay off this fixation. It's bad for your health and if it's as blatant at home as it is on SLOG you're fucking up your kids.
Posted by Root on February 15, 2012 at 10:30 AM · Report this
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Also, for fucks sake Charles, the bow is a sign of respect. If he'd pulled the corners of his eyes up and called him Mr Chang then we can talk about racism.
Posted by Root on February 15, 2012 at 10:34 AM · Report this
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sirkowski@28:

Gotta love how we should never share culture and never stray outside our own ethnicities.


Surprisingly well-put for a stupid Pollock bastard. BTW, how're you and the other 19 dumb Pollocks coming along with that light-bulb changing project?

(I'm joking, of course...or maybe I'm not and it's just hard to see through the exotic facade of my Jap inscrutability.)

Posted by Mr. Happy Sunshine on February 15, 2012 at 10:45 AM · Report this
Puckerd Poop Chute 34
A friend of mine who owned a video store told me black guys love Kung Fu films. Maybe it was an inside joke between teammates? As someone of an asian backgroup, at face value, I don't see anything offensive about the video
Posted by Puckerd Poop Chute on February 15, 2012 at 10:59 AM · Report this
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" What an embarrassment to my race. "

I don't know, and am not concerned with appropriateness here, but I'm sure Chas. must have been joking with the above sentence, after all the articles and links on genetics and molecular biology, one is sure Mr. M. was being sarcastic, as superficial skin color can easily be misleading, and a DNA check might have shown the brother was only 1/8th or less African ancestry, and preponderantly Euro.

Posted by sgt_doom on February 15, 2012 at 11:33 AM · Report this
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I swear to god, some of you people have such delicate fucking sensibilities and get offended so easily that I have to wonder how you function in this world....
Posted by catsnbanjos on February 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM · Report this
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I wonder how Asian kids would celebrate a black kid who rocks a violin recital at a Suzuki school. Chest-thumping, roof raising, freak dancing?
Posted by TheVripper on February 15, 2012 at 12:31 PM · Report this
Charles Mudede 41
40) all of this can get ugly if we are not careful.
Posted by Charles Mudede on February 15, 2012 at 12:45 PM · Report this
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Or not - and it's just a thing that he and his teammates do...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfGkDn73y…
Posted by checkavailability on February 15, 2012 at 12:59 PM · Report this
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What i think needs to be considered here is the cultural or racial sensitivity of the movement not if it was overt racism. So much of the cultural sensitivity that we are taught to be aware of is aimed towards the african american community or the latino community. Should we also not think of how our actions could be percieved by the asian community. To end with an example, if I, a white male, portray and african american in a stereotypical manner is it rascist. Let us say I spit through a gap in my teeth and say sheeeit.
Posted by simonsays on February 15, 2012 at 12:59 PM · Report this
STJA 44
@ 19 - I'd call that the ignorant stereotype that all Harvard grads are smart.
Posted by STJA on February 15, 2012 at 1:01 PM · Report this
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I find "embarrassment to [his/her/your/my/our/etc] race" to be a surprising statement coming from an enlightened person. Is every individual an accurate representation of the entire race of people they appear to be descended from? RLY?
Posted by Babydaddy on February 15, 2012 at 1:20 PM · Report this
Charles Mudede 46
@45, being black, we should be more aware of this sort of thing.
Posted by Charles Mudede on February 15, 2012 at 2:03 PM · Report this
knobtheunicorn 47
If it's anything it's a little awkward but is it anymore offensive than the fist bump thing being an awkward attempt by a white guy at being down with black men?
My take is that they're goddamn teammates and we're not privy to the hours and hours of interactions and bonding these guys go through on a daily basis and all the little inside jokes and gestures that crop up between themselves. Plus is it racist to affectionately rib a friend with a stereotype ment ironically to show how really we aren't different?
This reminds me a little of when you're a kid and everybodies talking shit and dissing eachothers moms to hilarious effect and there was always that one fucking kid that would flipthefuckout because "noboddy talks bout my mommy! wahwah" disregarding that you've all probably know and like his mom and it was just a game of hyperbole.
Posted by knobtheunicorn on February 15, 2012 at 2:14 PM · Report this
sirkowski 48
@32 You just proved my point about people getting offended by things they don't understand. And did you ever missed the mark. pollack lol
Posted by sirkowski http://www.missdynamite.com on February 15, 2012 at 2:40 PM · Report this
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Herp derp.
Posted by subwlf on February 15, 2012 at 3:06 PM · Report this
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@48 sirkowski: Nope, I totally get what you're saying and you assumed I was offended. In this case, I also think Charles was off the mark because, 1) he didn't get that this was shit that teammates who clearly respect each other do, and 2) (maybe worse) he presumed that every black person was responsible for representing their "race."

I called you a dumb Pollack because this is the Slog, and I'm a sneaky, underhanded Nip.
Posted by Mr. Happy Sunshine on February 15, 2012 at 3:24 PM · Report this
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@21 FTW! Thanks Charles for calling it out... It's not easy being the 'fly in the buttermilk', but Lin like others before set the stage for re-examination of cultural constructs and stereotypes by their talents and expertise.
Posted by downtownkitty on February 15, 2012 at 4:47 PM · Report this
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@21 doesn't win.

Watch this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfGkDn73y
Look closely now. What does LIN do?

Now think about it - read all of the comments where people mention athletes celebrating in various ways. Its not random. Its not just some guy bowing in front of some asian strangers. Think about it some more (take a break if you have to). And then realize Charles' post and most of the thread is pointless...
Posted by checkavailability on February 15, 2012 at 5:15 PM · Report this
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*sigh* curse you malformed video id! Trying again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfGkDn73y…
Posted by checkavailability on February 15, 2012 at 5:17 PM · Report this
sirkowski 54
@50 Damn it, I got owned by meta sarcasm.
Posted by sirkowski http://www.missdynamite.com on February 15, 2012 at 7:07 PM · Report this
Detroit_Reader 56
Charles....bored much this morning? I've seen black basketball players bow to other black basketball players after a key basket is made. Or white football players bow to black football players after a touchdown. I don't think this bow has any racial overtone, just masculine ebullience over a key basket.

Now black racism would be Floyd Mayweather's comment, link below:

http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic…
Posted by Detroit_Reader on February 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM · Report this

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