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Today in Stories Weird Enough (But Not Sex-Crimey Enough) for Law & Order: SVU
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I still remember the very first time I saw a Penthouse Magazine, and one of the "letters from our readers" was from a guy who got off on being lifted. By big women, but hey, this was the seventies.
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I'm afraid I can't remember the seventies (at least the first half or so). Those were the drug years.
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Reading the summary gives me the impression that it is perfectly OK for a "fan who had come with another team" to help around the bench, mingle with the players, and ask for a piggyback ride. However, it is not OK for this guy. I was totally confused where the "bandit" perjorative came from.
Reading the ESPN article sheds a bit more light; he has sometimes misrepresented himself as a reporter or athletic staff member, and has jumped on players backs without permission.
Reading the ESPN article sheds a bit more light; he has sometimes misrepresented himself as a reporter or athletic staff member, and has jumped on players backs without permission.
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The print article in the times kind of bothered me. I was worried someone would overreact violently to his appearing at a game. In my mind I can just see the guy lying on the ground in cuffs with six cops tasering him, yelling "Stop resisting! Stop resisting!" I would have liked it if the article had a quote from a responsible law enforcement person or mental health pro about how one should respond if he shows up. But I have a soft spot for the mentally ill. These kind of obsessions are hard to turn around even with massive intervention.
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Some people get paid good money for that. I was once offered $300 for a piggy-back ride (well, not my back, but whatever). This guy should be charged with theft of services or fraud or something.
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I used to work with the accused - I can definitively say that he is not a confused innocent, but a deranged and aggressive sociopath with poor boundary issues. He would try this behaviour with people on the job, and this was nearly a decade ago. He would often corner people and have one-sided conversations "at" them until they demanded he stop, encroaching too closely on their personal space. In this region, our response is usually to gently humor people expressing these behaviours - being dismissive, turning away, sending out small signals of irritation, breaking eye contact, saying "okay... okay...", but when people used such non-confrontational methods of letting him know he was not welcome, he would become threatening and confrontational, give you the stink eye and accusing you of brushing him off. He would remember these incidents for YEARS, meaning if he saw you on the bus at some point later, he would start up the exact conversation in the exact tone of agression or oblivious unwelcome he had left it at.
I believe that the mentally ill members of our society need assistance and protection... and then guys like this come along - who will never learn their lesson, but you can't imagine it won't make YOU feel better to punch them in their stupid face.
I believe that the mentally ill members of our society need assistance and protection... and then guys like this come along - who will never learn their lesson, but you can't imagine it won't make YOU feel better to punch them in their stupid face.
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@7 I understand what you are saying.
@8 So you want to punch him in the face? Taser him? Are you such an idiot to think this would change anything? Probably. Or a sadist. There is most likely simply no "lesson" to be learned by this guy or he would have learned it long ago. That is the problem. So, you can imagine he's having more fun pursuing his uncontrollable obsessions than you are with your miserable existence and so you want to punish him, but he most likely is suffering at the same time. Because we have no state income tax here, we are taking money away from close supervision housing and mental health lock up for people like this. If someone managed to even get a court to do a long term commit, Western State would kick him out so fast the van drivers that brought him there might see him in the AM/PM when they stop for gas on the way out of town. I doubt any other state has the money either. Obsessives like this are some of the hardest mentally ill to treat, so probably he'll end up in jail or criminal mental health commitment, but no one should get a thrill imagining punishment, thinking he's been "making a decision to sin."
@8 So you want to punch him in the face? Taser him? Are you such an idiot to think this would change anything? Probably. Or a sadist. There is most likely simply no "lesson" to be learned by this guy or he would have learned it long ago. That is the problem. So, you can imagine he's having more fun pursuing his uncontrollable obsessions than you are with your miserable existence and so you want to punish him, but he most likely is suffering at the same time. Because we have no state income tax here, we are taking money away from close supervision housing and mental health lock up for people like this. If someone managed to even get a court to do a long term commit, Western State would kick him out so fast the van drivers that brought him there might see him in the AM/PM when they stop for gas on the way out of town. I doubt any other state has the money either. Obsessives like this are some of the hardest mentally ill to treat, so probably he'll end up in jail or criminal mental health commitment, but no one should get a thrill imagining punishment, thinking he's been "making a decision to sin."
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The issue I will re-iterate, with this *particular* individual, is that a "violent" response - of tackling, handcuffs, raised voices - is not uncalled for, and he would not be a stricken, confused man-child suffering "scary" abuse. As the article states, and as those who have encountered him can attest, he is not as "handicapped" as he so shrewdly appears, and knows how to manipulate people into false confidence and pity as the situation warrants. Athough his mind clearly does not work like that of a "normal" person, his imperfections have led him to see the people around him as manipulateable, and subjects of his desires regardless of consent.
#9 is correct in saying that he would likely have a fun little ride in the revolving door mental health and prison systems, but I will say that this is a case where the subject represents an escalating threat - he gets a thrill from violating consent and propriety. Regardless of capability, for the sake of those affected, this case needs a more severe response if only due to the injury to the dignity and freedom of his multiple "victims".
#9 is correct in saying that he would likely have a fun little ride in the revolving door mental health and prison systems, but I will say that this is a case where the subject represents an escalating threat - he gets a thrill from violating consent and propriety. Regardless of capability, for the sake of those affected, this case needs a more severe response if only due to the injury to the dignity and freedom of his multiple "victims".
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@10 Your response indicates that you want to use a violent arrest as a punishment, regardless of whether a violent arrest is necessary to take him into custody. I wrote more, but erased it. Have fun wallowing in the violent psychological products of your ignorance.
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@12 All I know is that your solution of beating the guy senseless without trial is counter productive and sadistic. Does it thrill you to imagine it?
Locking someone like this up for ever would I suppose solve our concerns about safety and being offended, at a certain cost.
Random beating would be useless. So, since you don't want to help, as in spend money on housing this guy, are you suggesting he should be killed? Death penalty for fraud and piggyback assault?
Locking someone like this up for ever would I suppose solve our concerns about safety and being offended, at a certain cost.
Random beating would be useless. So, since you don't want to help, as in spend money on housing this guy, are you suggesting he should be killed? Death penalty for fraud and piggyback assault?
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