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Fnarf 1
What makes Kucinich valueless is the fact that there ISN'T a congress full of him. One congresscritter alone is nothing; it doesn't matter what their positions on the issues are. Nobody cares; nobody in Washington gives a damn what Kucinich thought about anything; his phone never rang, his doorway was never darkened, because he wasn't a part of anything. His opinions were not and are not interesting to anyone.

What matters in Washington, and in Olympia, is coalitions, groups, PARTIES.

That said, if Kucinich ran against Reichert, Reichert could just shut his whole operation down and "campaign" from his recliner with a big bucket of popcorn chicken. He would wipe the floor with him. Kucinich couldn't win against Reichert if he had a billion dollars. Reichert can theoretically be beaten by the right Democrat. They've come close before. Kucinich would get 20% against him, though.
Posted by Fnarf on April 17, 2012 at 3:55 PM · Report this
stinkbug 2
"It is clear that Cleveland and Washington State agree one thing: we just don't want Dennis Kucinich," state Democratic Party chair Dwight Pelz

Kucinich easily beat Kaptur in Cuyahoga county.
They were pretty neck and neck in Lorain county.
Kaptur easily took Lucas and Ottawa counties.

How does that translate to "Cleveland doesn't want him"?

Posted by stinkbug on April 17, 2012 at 4:00 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 3
It's good to know we have such a brave liberal voice at our backs as Dwight Pelz. He & his cronies have hand-picked our congressmen, and we get the joy of pretending that we're actually choosing them w/ our votes. I'm sure most Sloggers would agree that the system works as long as none of those evil carpet-baggers get elected.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on April 17, 2012 at 4:16 PM · Report this
That said, if Kucinich ran against Reichert, Reichert could just shut his whole operation down and "campaign" from his recliner with a big bucket of popcorn chicken.
Posted by gloomy gus on April 17, 2012 at 4:24 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 5
The other problem with ideologues is that their vote can't be negotiated in trade. You can't offer Kucinich an unemployment extension in exchange for support on a less odious budget bill. He's going to vote no on the budget because it's not perfect, no matter what good things you offer him. So you never bother offering anything to ideologues; all their votes are preordained. They give their all their votes up for nothing.

So not only do you not get the unemployment extension, an even worse budget passes because there were not enough moderates to support the the less awful bill.

Everyone thinks they want a principled congressman but guys like that, their phone never rings. Ask Ron Paul, another guy who's never passed a damn thing in all his years in congress.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn on April 17, 2012 at 4:41 PM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 6

Kucinich makes the mistake of any newcomer entering the Pacific Northwest job market...thinking he should start at the top at the same level as before.

He needs to consider taking on the political equivalent of working at Half Price Books...part time.

Remember, no matter how many degrees or skills the person has, the PNW is one big queue.

Get in line.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http:// on April 17, 2012 at 4:49 PM · Report this
I'm originally from his district and people just voted for him because he was a Democrat and that's what you do on Cleveland's west side. We really didn't like him much. He aligned himself with the pro-life movement early his congressional career so all the Catholics on the west side (and there are a lot of them) would vote Dem. He magically became prochoice when he decided to run for president in 2000. He's a total hack.
Posted by couchetard on April 17, 2012 at 4:55 PM · Report this
@1, Kucinich's isolation in congress tells us as much about the homogeneity of the 2 wings of the business party in Washington than anything else. We have an unrepresentative congress and you apparently want more of it.

If Burner got within 8700 votes of Reichert, someone like Kucinich could probably too. Although, it's becoming pretty clear that Democrat party tools would do everything to sink his campaign, so may be not.
Posted by anon1256 on April 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 9
Dwight's a good man.

Dennis I expect to see with the protestors in front of Wells Fargo, quite frankly.
Posted by Will in Seattle on April 17, 2012 at 5:50 PM · Report this
Fnarf 10
@8, you are high if you think Kucinich would get within 87 THOUSAND votes of Reichert. Kucinich's isolated left politics are not popular anywhere, but especially not in the rather pragmatic suburbs of the 8th District.
Posted by Fnarf on April 17, 2012 at 5:58 PM · Report this
So, your idea is that Kucinich should move out to Washington and spend a bunch of money and time on a race he's going to lose?

The man is an oddball, but he's not an idiot.
Posted by J.R. on April 17, 2012 at 6:02 PM · Report this
DOUG. 12
Dwight Pelz is a hack.
Posted by DOUG. on April 17, 2012 at 6:10 PM · Report this
Cascadian 13
Fnarf, the 8th really isn't that suburban anymore. The close-in suburbs on the Eastside are now all in the 1st or the 9th. The 8th is exurban--it starts east of Lake Sammamish in the north (Issaquah and Sammamish), and starts at Bonney Lake and Auburn and Covington further south. Kirkland, Redmond, Bellevue, Newcastle, Renton, and Kent are all in the other districts. Reichert would defeat any Democrat with a billion dollars running against him, not just Kucinich. That's deep red territory now.
Posted by Cascadian on April 17, 2012 at 6:11 PM · Report this
@10, you are drunk if you think that Kucinich's left politics aren't popular. Just look at opinion polls on issues and you'll see that Americans agree more often with Kucinich on critical issues (wars, austerity, jobs, health care, etc) than with Obama.
Posted by anon1256 on April 17, 2012 at 6:13 PM · Report this
Fnarf 15
@14, uh-huh. That's why he's president.

You're every bit as ridiculous as Seattle Blues in the other thread.
Posted by Fnarf on April 17, 2012 at 6:55 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 16
I don't vote for opportunistic carpetbaggers. I'll stick with out local opportunists instead.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on April 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM · Report this
wilbur@work 17
What 6 said. Run for county council, they're all clowns just like him.
Posted by wilbur@work on April 17, 2012 at 7:29 PM · Report this
@15, Actually, YOU sound like Seattle Blues when you claim that Kucinich's positions on issues aren't popular (have you checked opinion polls on critical issues as I suggested?) as well as when you try to marginalize the left.

As for ridiculous, it'll be hard to top your suggesting that all it takes to become president are popular positions on issues.
Posted by anon1256 on April 17, 2012 at 7:47 PM · Report this
Teslick 19
Oh, I'd like to see Kucinich run in the 1st, just to see Goldy's reaction.

Fnarf is, of course, correct. Reichert could fall over dead tomorrow and still beat Kucinich by 15%.
Posted by Teslick on April 17, 2012 at 7:49 PM · Report this
I forgot the 8th was redistricted to include part of Chelan and Kittitas counties so it's likely true that it'd be a walk in the park for Reichert, but fnarf is dead wrong about Kucinich and the popularity of his positions.
Posted by anon1256 on April 17, 2012 at 8:18 PM · Report this
raku 21
Agreed, almost all of Seattle and probably most of the inner eastside would agree with Kucinich's positions.

It makes me sad that so-called progressives ridicule a politician because he actually supports gay marriage, gun control, marijuana decriminalization, and is against the death penalty, foreign wars, and the patriot act.

We finally have a chance for a politician who is actually RIGHT on issues for once in our lives. Any district would be lucky to have him.
Posted by raku on April 17, 2012 at 9:20 PM · Report this
pdonahue 22
As someone who grew up in the 6th district, a primary challenger to those blue dog hacks who call themselves democrats would be just what that place needs. You would have to go to Chicago to find a more conservative group of blue collar, white, christian, straight people that call Kitsap and Mason county home. The fact that they voted Norm Dicks into office FOR OVER 30 YEARS is a testament to the state socialism that has provided employment for generations of shipyard workers and various resource extraction industries. Take one for the team indeed and light a fire under the ass of the DNC.
Posted by pdonahue on April 17, 2012 at 9:28 PM · Report this
@20, the question isn't whether Kucinich espouses positions huge numbers of us do too. He does. The question is, is Kucinich able to take those positions and get legislative bodies to move in their direction? And the answer to that is, fuck no. He may mean well, but so do I, and I'm a total flop when it comes to leadership, just like Kucinich. I'm exactly like him, the sort of guy who'd rather be correct than get anything done. There's a place for people like that - here it's Jim McDermott's position, but Jim's not going anywhere and I think one do-gooder uninterested in legislating should be the limit for our state's congressional delegation.
Posted by gloomy gus on April 17, 2012 at 9:41 PM · Report this
@23, "is Kucinich able to take those positions and get legislative bodies to move in their direction?"

You should ask yourself whether Democrats have been moving us toward these positions or have they retreated for 30 years on most critical issues (taxation, regulation, privatization, wars, civil liberties, etc). The state of the nation, with inequalities unseen in 70 years, tell us which it is.
Posted by anon1256 on April 17, 2012 at 11:16 PM · Report this
@24, whether Dems in general have been moving us toward those positions isn't the question; it's whether Kucinich can do so, and he can't. Gus is right: we don't need two McDermotts.
Posted by sarah70 on April 17, 2012 at 11:51 PM · Report this
tainte 26
dennis kucinich, d-oh!
Posted by tainte on April 18, 2012 at 5:58 AM · Report this
@25, Kucinich worked in a vacuum? His votes didn't depend on whether bills went in the right direction?
Posted by anon1256 on April 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM · Report this
Dennis is too liberal for his own good we need another Jay Inslee not an ideologue like Dennis
Posted by Seattle14 on April 18, 2012 at 11:25 AM · Report this

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