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Chelydra_serpentina 1
A more important question: When is Phoenix Jones going to be arrested for his unprovoked attack on Baconcat?
Posted by Chelydra_serpentina on May 2, 2012 at 2:37 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 2
"...and then get back to the business of ignoring them."

But first I have to blog about them for my paycheck. Yeah, I have ideals and shit, but there's no fucking way I'm getting a job in a cubicle like the losers who generate ad impressions from my Slog posts about how media attention for vandals just encourages them.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn on May 2, 2012 at 2:43 PM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 3

Not that I'm keeping score...but how many of these violent criminals were African American?

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on May 2, 2012 at 2:50 PM · Report this
pfffter 4
Well, I for one am glad they used rocks if they were going to vandalize McGinn's house. No matter how cavalier he is at trampling the Constitution, the police obviously can't confiscate all the rocks.
Posted by pfffter on May 2, 2012 at 2:51 PM · Report this
Godzilla1916 5
Who is the real coward here? The slog and ultimately the Stranger always hide behind establishment values and ridicule those with the balls to take a stand. No people were the target of these acts of aggression; vandalism is property damage, and thus a legitimate target in the fighting dialogue of defense against power. You, the lofty writer are nothing more than a critic, never one to leave the safety of your edited responses, and so just as easily ignorable.
Posted by Godzilla1916 on May 2, 2012 at 2:54 PM · Report this
Womyn2me 6
Idiot children. Did they catch the morons who broke out the windows in black hoodies, then changed clothes in front of a video camera?
Posted by Womyn2me http://http:\\ on May 2, 2012 at 2:57 PM · Report this
benjammin509 7
Thank you, Cienna.

Posted by benjammin509 on May 2, 2012 at 3:01 PM · Report this
Alex Garland, one of the arrested, was a photographer for the event. He was not involved in any of the property damage, nor is he the type of person to "grab an officer." He was, however, dressed in all black. So was Bobbi DiTrani. I am almost positive that this has more to do with their arrests than any of their actions yesterday.
Posted by agent_M on May 2, 2012 at 3:01 PM · Report this
@2, Zing!
Posted by Benj on May 2, 2012 at 3:03 PM · Report this
Pithy Name 10
@5 - Throwing things through people's windows in the middle of the night isn't just property damage. It's harassment and terrorism. I said it before when they were protesting down the hill from his house the other week - a person's home is off-fucking-limits.

No one gets to terrorize a person's family and dismiss it as "taking a stand". I can't believe you're implicitly defending such an act. Are you high?

Or maybe you're talking about the damage during the protests? Well, equally cowardly, hiding in a group of peaceful protesters, co-opting their cause for your own infantile "smash the state" message. As was stated in Kiley's post earlier repeatedly - the people working in these shops don't know that you're just breaking a window like a douchebag and moving on. For all they know, you're running inside next and beating them with a sharpened stick. Or chain. Or a 4" knife.

Posted by Pithy Name on May 2, 2012 at 3:09 PM · Report this
chinaski 11
@5 Hey Godzilla, apparently not so easy for you to ignore, eh?
Posted by chinaski on May 2, 2012 at 3:09 PM · Report this
wisepunk 12
I could kiss you for writing this Cienna. Well done.
Posted by wisepunk on May 2, 2012 at 3:14 PM · Report this
pfffter 13
Also, wasn't Cienna the one who was talking about declaring Jan Brewer dead? Such a high horse for someone tossing out violent rhetoric against a governor.
Posted by pfffter on May 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 14
So when will the ACLU win their cases?

Meanwhile, non-Seattle Black Bloc Anarchists for the epic fail.

Even with the now guaranteed approval for unconstitutional Spy Drones over Seattle by the City Council, Seattle still loves our Mayor.
Posted by Will in Seattle on May 2, 2012 at 3:29 PM · Report this
Godzilla1916 15
@10: I don’t care what you believe or not, there is a time and a place for vandalism, and if money can be a form of speech, then so can vandalism. I was not there, but I do not believe any people were targeted (I hope not). Your (and the Slog’s) quick need to silence legitimate protesting voices and actions are questionable and belies your hypocrisy for justice.
@11 as she says: "...and then get back to the business of ignoring them."
Posted by Godzilla1916 on May 2, 2012 at 3:38 PM · Report this
When a thug starts hurting you and your family and you say 'hey stop that!' but they keep hurting you. So you say, 'no I really mean it, STOP!' but they keep hurting you. Then you say, 'I'm gonna call the cops!' but the look they give you says, in so many words, 'like I don't already OWN the cops,' and then proceed to keep hurting you. What do you do then?

So Cienna wants us all to be polite to the thugs that are hurting us and our families, the thugs polluting our planet, shitting on our communities, impoverishing us and leading us into a kind of corporate/fascist state. We say, 'hey stop that!' but they keep doing it and they've bought off our government. So what do we do? Good thing Cienna is here to say it is ok to be a passive victim because we all know that thugs really do have our best interests at heart. Too bad she wasn't around to give such sage advice to the Boston Tea Partiers, or to Abraham Lincoln, or to FDR. Because the world would be so much better if our ancestors had only been passive victims back when we were dealing with corrupt monarchies, or slavery, or German fascists. Because you know, a rock doesn't say anything. Or whatever.
Posted by screed on May 2, 2012 at 3:42 PM · Report this
@16 What did Forever 21 ever do to you?
Posted by Ken Mehlman on May 2, 2012 at 3:48 PM · Report this
Allyn 18
“the people working in these shops don't know that you're just breaking a window like a douchebag and moving on. For all they know, you're running inside next and beating them with a sharpened stick. Or chain. Or a 4" knife.”

Exactly. And anyone familiar with rioting history has heard of mob mentality. A group of angry young men start vandalizing institutions they want to target and soon the violence turns to personal property (sound familiar, apologists?) and then quickly – frighteningly quickly – turns to physical attacks of an authority figure, then onto anyone nearby who might represent an authority figure, and then the violence breeds more violence and becomes random.
Posted by Allyn on May 2, 2012 at 3:53 PM · Report this
Does anyone care that those arrested for these actions are NOT the people who participated in these actions?
Posted by agent_M on May 2, 2012 at 3:57 PM · Report this
ONE arrest for property damage. What happened to all that video supposedly showing the hooligans changing their clothes and heading into the Occupy crowd? Bang up job, SPD.
Posted by K on May 2, 2012 at 3:59 PM · Report this
wisepunk 22
We need to start a 98% movement, not here for the 1% on either side. Go to the hippie-dippy marches and when the assholes start using the protest as cover, we start using the assholes for non-combative takedown practice. I would have loved to see the occupiers hold down those vandals, zip tie their hands and feet and let the police collect them after the march moves on. That would give more positive spin to the movement that the goddamn puppet shows they have been doing for the past 15 years.
Posted by wisepunk on May 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM · Report this
Canadian Nurse 23
I don't disagree that vandalism can be a legitimate form of speech (e.g., the ploughshare nuns that break into missile silos and pour out their blood to damage weaponry), but attacking people's homes at night is harassment/intimidation.
Posted by Canadian Nurse on May 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM · Report this
Is than an antenna sticking out of that cops head?
Posted by VIC_20 on May 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM · Report this
wow that is your definition of intellectual backflips?

you are not a very smart person or a good reader.
Posted by Swearengen on May 2, 2012 at 4:07 PM · Report this
pfffter 26
@18 Are you seriously calling yesterday's events a "riot"? I have a flair for the dramatic sometimes, but boy, you've got me beat. You should be working at KIRO -- you might help them pull in some better ratings with those histrionics. Would've been a real asset for them yesterday.
Posted by pfffter on May 2, 2012 at 4:08 PM · Report this
Vandalism is totally counter-productive when trying to build a broad mass movement for grass-root democracy. There are many possible acts of civil disobedience that would make the corporate media take note of grievances, so it's poor logic to invoke the visibility of smashing windows to get media coverage.
Posted by anon1256 on May 2, 2012 at 4:09 PM · Report this
Allyn 28
@26 Are you seriously incapable of reading comprehension?

You seem to be a jackass. Can you understand that or do you need it explained?
Posted by Allyn on May 2, 2012 at 4:11 PM · Report this
Posted by gloomy gus on May 2, 2012 at 4:18 PM · Report this
As Dr. Martin Luther King said " The greatest purveyor of violence is my own government". The government and the economic system it represents is responsible for poverty,war,evnvironmental destruction, racism,sexism,etc.. These make window breaking pale into insignificance. However, the real problem with Black Bloc tactics is that they don't help to grow and strengthen a mass movement that can really challenge the system. In fact they are counter-productive , driving people away and taking up resources on unnecessary court cases. Serious movement activists should oppose Black Block tactics not because they are immoral or hurt capitalist property , but because they are ultimately ineffective at really challenging capitalism.
Posted by Steve Leigh on May 2, 2012 at 4:19 PM · Report this
@26: your logic sounds like this, "If you don't change your position, I will damage your property/livelihood." You sound somewhere between a mobster and a terrorist.
Or maybe just a troll.
For those claiming defense-- against what, exactly? those evil baristas at Starbucks? the "1%" salespeople at Niketown? Gimme a break
Posted by centrista on May 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM · Report this
pfffter 32
@28 I'm seriously capable of reading comprehension when what is written is comprehensible and not ridiculous, outlandish, and melodramatic. Yesterday was not a riot, there was no real mob mentality that I observed AT ALL. There were disparate actions by a one group that resulted in vandalism.

For all you know, the attack on the mayor's house is completely unrelated. Why don't you go write your freshman sociology paper somewhere else?
Posted by pfffter on May 2, 2012 at 4:32 PM · Report this
pfffter 33
@31 what position? whose position? what the fuck are you talking about?
Posted by pfffter on May 2, 2012 at 4:33 PM · Report this
@30, Word. Black Bloc or whoever they are should ponder why their tactics are virtually indistinguishable from those of agent provocateurs.
Posted by anon1256 on May 2, 2012 at 4:37 PM · Report this
Elvis 35
well said, Cienna.
Posted by Elvis on May 2, 2012 at 4:38 PM · Report this
Allyn 36
@32 Fucking hell, you are obnoxious, but here goes:

Window breaking has been described as harmless to regular folk; it’s just about the corporations. But there are real, live, minimum-wage-earning PEOPLE behind that glass who are being terrorized by these glass-breaking thugs. They do not know, they cannot know, that the thugs will stop with glass-breaking.

We can look at riots throughout history. We can follow past progression. Riots typically start with one person throwing a stone through a window and end… well, let’s look at LA.

No, idiot, this was not a riot, but the people behind the glass had no fucking way of knowing that as they were being terrorized.

Posted by Allyn on May 2, 2012 at 4:41 PM · Report this
Elvis 37
@4 ("pffffter") Give it a rest, you're not living in a fucking orwell novel.
Posted by Elvis on May 2, 2012 at 4:41 PM · Report this
pfffter 38
@37 Fuck you. I'll give it a rest when I'm good and ready.
Posted by pfffter on May 2, 2012 at 4:46 PM · Report this
Violence (or "vandalism," if I must) is always counter-productive to the cause. The most despicable groups throughout history used/use scare tactics to get their way; no one admires them for it but reactionary mouth-breathers.
Posted by mitten on May 2, 2012 at 4:48 PM · Report this
pfffter 40
@36 Really? They couldn't possibly have known about the anarchists coming to town and the possibility that they might break some windows even though it's been in the media for weeks before the protest? Terrorized? Sheesh. I'm so glad all those minimum wage workers have you standing up for them. Maybe you should stop by there and serve them some nice relaxing chamomille tea and xanax to calm them down since you're so concerned for their welfare.
Posted by pfffter on May 2, 2012 at 4:49 PM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 41

So, hold on.

John T. Williams turns around with a folded whittling blade in his hand, and gets shot point blank without ever having committed a single crime.

Yet, hundreds of weapons were carried in by black clad terrorists who took over the streets of Seattle and caused massive destruction, yet not one bullet was fired.

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on May 2, 2012 at 4:52 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 42
@1 for the Jail Time For Actual Crimes Time follow-up-not-quite-the-win.
Posted by Will in Seattle on May 2, 2012 at 4:57 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 43
@41 they were white.

Posted by Will in Seattle on May 2, 2012 at 4:58 PM · Report this
@ #8. Exactly. Why was Mr. Garland arrested? Oh yes, because the cops didn't want him taking more pictures of their violent thuggery which turned the streets of Seattle into a volatile situation yesterday.
Posted by occupyseattlealex on May 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM · Report this
@33: I know it's a complicated world and you don't get it, but don't get too worked up about it. Just relax and leave the thinking to the grown ups. You can go back to making silly faces in pictures now.
Posted by centrista on May 2, 2012 at 5:34 PM · Report this
Free Busch On Tuesday 46
All modern anarchists are is petty troublemakers that couldn't even survive in a stateless society. I hope that these people will read some actual literature while they spend their time in jail. I will gladly volunteer to buy them a copy of Saul Alinsky's works. All property is the property of the worker, made by a worker's hands and a worker's will. It is just temporarily in the hands of the monied elite, but even the elite cannot withstand the power of a mobilized democracy that seizes control of the state apparatus.
Posted by Free Busch On Tuesday on May 2, 2012 at 5:44 PM · Report this
How exactly does tens of thousands of dollars in damage to businesses imply a "well orchestrated police response?" LOL police lost big time on May Day.
Posted by jjcascadia on May 3, 2012 at 2:24 AM · Report this

I'm going to assume here that your understanding of microeconomics is minimal, so I apologize if this seems insulting, but:

Tens of thousands of dollars in damage, spread across even just a half a dozen businesses able to pay downtown rents, doesn't merit anything more than "a slightly slow Tuesday, bad weather" in the office log.

I'm entirely open to Actions that heavily impact megacorporate business, but this didn't even come close. The Seattle Action would have had at least five times the economic impact if it had simply started at 6am, and disrupted the flow of labor to the corporate overlords, instead of starting at 5pm, when the official daily 9-5 corporate servitude had already been extracted from the laborer.
Posted by robotslave on May 3, 2012 at 2:54 AM · Report this
michijo 50
Proves that people don't need guns to fight with the established government. Just going around breaking windows infuriates the control-freaks in society. Imagine if they instead had crossbows with burning arrows that they shot into his home. Then it would be on fire! These guys clearly have one up on the militia nuts.
Posted by michijo on May 3, 2012 at 8:43 AM · Report this
...yet the people who defaced property in the Boston Tea Party are looked on as heros, not as cowards.
Posted by Theoretical on May 4, 2012 at 7:24 AM · Report this
'... in the end, what the fuck does a rock say? Nothing. Rocks don't make points or change policy. A rock thrown at McGinn's house could mean, "McGinn, I disagree with how you let SPD police our citizens" just as easily as it could mean, "I'm a shill for the powerful window-glass industry! Broken windows are our bread and butter™!"'

Then why the fuck assume it was by "anarchists" in the first place?
Posted by ocelot on May 7, 2012 at 3:10 PM · Report this

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