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Will in Seattle 1
I have enough plastic bags saved to throw my garbage out for the next 10 years.

Just use a backpack and paper bags you bring to the store.
Posted by Will in Seattle on June 28, 2012 at 3:38 PM · Report this
Shorter QFC Employee: "Starting a trend that might not lead to instantaneous beneficial results is ALWAYS futile, and should never be undertaken for any reason whatsoever."
Posted by COMTE on June 28, 2012 at 3:42 PM · Report this
Zebes 4
"This is ridiculous," said a masturbating hobo in the park. "Unless we can solve every single problem facing the environment at once, there's no sense in going about it in a piecemeal fashion and being inconvenienced. It's either all or nothing."
Posted by Zebes on June 28, 2012 at 3:43 PM · Report this
lizlemon 5
Plastic grocery bags do wonders when you have to scoop cat poop every 2 days.
Posted by lizlemon on June 28, 2012 at 3:43 PM · Report this
passionate_jus 6
So what's that employees solution? Just ignore the problem I suppose.

This gets rid of a huge source of plastic pollution in the environment. Sure it doesn't get rid of it all but it is a big start.
Posted by passionate_jus on June 28, 2012 at 3:44 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 7
Apparently the QFC employee doesn't believe anything is good unless everyone everywhere is doing it. Sounds like those global warming deniers who, when pressed on the other sensible aspects of reducing carbon emissions, just point out that India and China will keep on polluting. Dips who don't understand that you have to start somewhere, and a problem of this scale can only be solved by social change, and such change comes one tiny step (like a bag ban in one municipality) at a time.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 28, 2012 at 3:44 PM · Report this
Keister Button 8
Emergen-C's single packet design is wasteful. Just buy ascorbic acid or Vitamin C powder or crystals from Super Supplements or Trader Joe's, then refill from the bulk section at Madison Market or Town & Country stores in your carefully washed-dried-and-preserved plastic bag, and you will slow your contribution to the landfills.

This ban does not apply to the plastic bags available in the bulk food sections, does it?
Posted by Keister Button on June 28, 2012 at 3:47 PM · Report this
Knat 9
So I'll start hoarding the plastic bags from the produce department to use as garbage liners, rather than the shopping bags. No big deal.
Posted by Knat on June 28, 2012 at 3:47 PM · Report this
passionate_jus 10

So you won't go to a Seattle store because you have to use a paper bag or a reusable cloth bag?

Damn you're an illogical, lazy bastard aren't you?
Posted by passionate_jus on June 28, 2012 at 3:47 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 12
If this stops store employees from automatically dumping all my shit in a plastic bag without asking me first and when I'm holding a reusable bag in my hand, I'm all for it. I'm not quite vindictive enough to demand that they take all the stuff out and put it in my reusable, but this law will save me from eventually getting pissy enough to do just that.
Posted by keshmeshi on June 28, 2012 at 3:51 PM · Report this
I was going to make a pithy comment about the Tragedy of the Commons, but it seems others beat me to it. NOW THERE ARE NO PITHY COMMENTS LEFT FOR ME TO MAKE!…
Posted by stealingzen on June 28, 2012 at 3:51 PM · Report this
I predict that most people will adapt quickly and that we'll hardly be able to remember why we cared about plastic bags in the first place in a few years.
Posted by SLCamper on June 28, 2012 at 4:03 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 16
Similar sentiment from another petulant child in today's NYT report on Seattle's recylcing awesomeness: "Chris Baldwin, a Dick’s regular, said he had “issues with being told I have to recycle.” Turning to three colleagues who had joined him for a late lunch spread across the bed of a pickup truck, he said, “We wait until Seattle police go by, and we throw it all in the garbage.”
Posted by Max Solomon on June 28, 2012 at 4:11 PM · Report this
The QFC employee is an idiot, which might explain why they work at QFC.
Posted by suddenlyorcas on June 28, 2012 at 4:14 PM · Report this
@12: Maybe they would use your reusable bag if you handed it to them at the beginning of your order instead of waiting for them to read your mind at the end.
Posted by suddenlyorcas on June 28, 2012 at 4:16 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 19
Every bit helps.

I remember when 90% of my garbage was garbage and only 10% recycled.

Now it's more like 70% recycled, 15% compostable food scraps and tea bags or coffee grounds, and 15% garbage.
Posted by Will in Seattle on June 28, 2012 at 4:18 PM · Report this
More, I Say! 20
@16 Wow, he sounds like a real class-act! And not because he's a Dick's regular.
Posted by More, I Say! on June 28, 2012 at 4:29 PM · Report this
I have to say, I love the notion that the ban will have such a huge impact that it's somehow worth the effort to fuss over a few resistant knuckleheads.
Posted by gloomy gus on June 28, 2012 at 4:32 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 22

What makes you think I don't? In some cases, for various reasons, I can't, like when I walk up to a register and need a second to find my reusable bags. Or at any grocery store when the customer in front of me won't fucking move for several minutes after their purchase is concluded. Or, for that matter, when I forget I even brought them and would only remember IF the bagger asked first.

My guess is that the QFC employee is annoyed because now they have to take two seconds to ask if the customer wants a paper bag and they can no longer just mindlessly dump everything into plastic every time.
Posted by keshmeshi on June 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM · Report this
More, I Say! 23
@18, what about all the times I come up with my reusable bags when there's no space for me to put them on the counter, and when the cashier says "Hi how are you doing?" I respond with "Great, and I don't need any bags today, I brought my own. Thanks." Cashier says "Oh, great!" and then starts putting my groceries in a plastic bag anyway.

And yeah, I will have them empty the plastic bag.

@5 I feel you!! I am a hoarder of all kinds of bags because of this. Bread bag, big ziploc that tortillas came in, chip bag, weed bag....I put cat shit in all of 'em.
Posted by More, I Say! on June 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM · Report this
TVDinner 24
You can have my plastic bag when you pry it from my cold, dead hands? No?
Posted by TVDinner http:// on June 28, 2012 at 4:40 PM · Report this
It is a pretty stupid idea. For me it'll mean occasionally buying cloth bags that I have no use for, and/or using my car more often to go grocery shopping instead of busing/walking.

Posted by ryanmm on June 28, 2012 at 4:53 PM · Report this
Zebes 26
First they came for my plastic bags, and I said nothing, because I was not a plastic bag...
Posted by Zebes on June 28, 2012 at 4:53 PM · Report this
balderdash 27
That sacker is very wise. We should never waste energy improving situations unless we can create a perfect world in a single sweeping gesture. Rome was built in just a day, after all.

I really just don't know what to do about grown-ass people acting like petulant brats. I don't. It makes my brain hurt.
Posted by balderdash on June 28, 2012 at 5:00 PM · Report this

So you'd walk or bus to the grocery store and carry the heavy groceries home, but it's too much of a burden to carry the empty bags on the way to the store?
Posted by MLM on June 28, 2012 at 5:02 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 29

They roll up and snap into a ball about 2x3 that weighs next to nothing. Bags of this type are everywhere now - some with caribiners attached.

Get with the program.
Posted by Max Solomon on June 28, 2012 at 5:11 PM · Report this
I wish you had created me so that I could die.
Posted by Avanish on June 28, 2012 at 5:19 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 31

Kind of in #25's defense. When you don't have a car, the reusable bag thing can be a pain, unless you plan every trip to the store in advance or you carry reusables on you at all times. Now that I drive, I rarely forget my reusables, because I keep most of them in the car. When I bused everywhere, I forgot them all the damn time.

That said, I find carrying groceries in a reusable bag much easier than carrying them in plastic, especially when walking/busing. Those bags hold a lot more, and you can sling them over your shoulder.
Posted by keshmeshi on June 28, 2012 at 5:24 PM · Report this
See @29.

They'll fit in your pocket.
Posted by MLM on June 28, 2012 at 5:26 PM · Report this
Got to love these nanny state ideas, what's next a ban on large sodas.

But good day overall the ACA is constitutional.
Posted by Seattle14 on June 28, 2012 at 5:32 PM · Report this
@29 The ones you linked are not exactly reasonably priced ($16 - $40 it looked like). Trader Joe's sells reusables for like $3.

But the problem is having the bags when you get to the store. If you don't have a car to keep them in, you have to start all of your grocery trips at home in order to leave with your reusable bags or you have to carry them around all the time.
Posted by algorhythm99 on June 28, 2012 at 5:38 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 35
@ 22, here's what I do. I put my bags in the cart or basket with the groceries. If it's a basket, I keep pulling them to the top so they're not under anything. If I have a cart I just put them in the child seat. Either way, they're right there at the top, easy to grab and put on the conveyor belt FIRST.

It takes time getting into a new habit. I bought my first reusable bags from PCC 15 years ago (still have them) but it took a hell of a long time before I consistently remembered to bring them (whether I was walking, busing or driving), or take them out of the car if I drove. Years. But... it finally happened.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 28, 2012 at 5:41 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 36
Aren't plastic bags fairly recent anyway? When I was a little kid in the 1970's I don't remember seeing any. It seems to have been something that popped up in the 80's

Though I HOPE they bring back those heavy white paper ice cream bags with the guy running on the front! (recycled paper naturally) Those were SWEET for your frozen sweet goodies!!
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on June 28, 2012 at 5:42 PM · Report this
@31 & @34 are correct, and no, @32, that won't fit in my pocket unless I want everyone who walks by to make Mae West jokes at me.

Those who insist non-car owners must always be prepared with collapsible grocery bags on their persons are hypocrites, drivers, ideologues, or boring people who never go anywhere but work, home, and the grocery store and can't imagine complex multi-leg trips being part of someone's day. Perhaps all four.

That said, it doesn't really bother me to pay an extra dime for a paper bag when I haven't brought a reusable.
Posted by d.p. on June 28, 2012 at 6:03 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 38

Yes, I do that too. Occasionally, I'm presented with a situation where that doesn't work. The most common one is where I'm buying just one thing and don't have a reusable bag because I don't need one. Telling them not to give me a bag results in their giving me one. What should I do? Threaten to cut a bitch?

Anyway, my point is that I'm glad the ban is going to force them to ask. At least that's what I hope, because the alternative is that they're going to massively piss off customers by automatically charging for paper bags without asking first.
Posted by keshmeshi on June 28, 2012 at 6:06 PM · Report this
he's right; the entire puget sound is yoked with sewage and dogshit emanating from the private estates of the privileged elite. Were sitting on top of the northwest equivalent of the grand canyon and it's considered kosher that almost every square foot of shoreline is off limits to the public and is being used as a personal garbage receptacle. get your fucking priorities straight people.
Posted by bluer is better on June 28, 2012 at 6:35 PM · Report this
Fnarf 41
If you search Amazon for "t shirt bag", which is what these bags are called, you can buy a thousand of them for about $20. I'll be taking mine down to Green Lake and lofting them into the wind, one by one.
Posted by Fnarf on June 28, 2012 at 6:58 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 43
@34, 37: good products cost more money, and $16 is not that much for multiple bags. but it appears you don't wear a jacket, carry a satchel, want to be convinced, or do something new.
Posted by Max Solomon on June 28, 2012 at 7:15 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 44
@ 38, my guess is that they'd have to bring back paper bags. My local Kroger affiliate has them even though no one has even breathed a word about passing a bag ban here. No reason why yours (QFC/Fred Meyer) couldn't.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 28, 2012 at 7:21 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 45
@ 41, that's just evil. Here's a customer review:

Bags banned at grocery stores? Bring your own! December 12, 2011
By A Customer
If you live in some stupid hippie town which has banned plastic bags, don't bend over for the government. Bring your own bags! For less than three pennies each, you can avoid the bacteria-infested re-usable canvas bags which wear out anyway.

If you want to save the environment, reuse these disposable bags as mini garbage bags (instead of buying and tossing out full-size "garbage bags"). If you don't want to save the environment, these are cheap enough to throw into garbage cans for no good reason every time you want to express contempt for recycling and the environment. Either way, you're golden.

Heh. Like people don't wash their bags, and like food doesn't come in impermeable packaging if they didn't... And as I said upthread, I've been using two of my bags for 15 years...
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 28, 2012 at 7:26 PM · Report this
Gay Dude for Romney 46
It is a legitimate role of government to protect the environment and wildlife. Also, not bringing home plastic bags on a daily basis since I switched to my own bags and paper seems to tame kitchen chaos.

Just remember to toss your reusable bags in the washer fairly often.
Posted by Gay Dude for Romney on June 28, 2012 at 7:32 PM · Report this
@38 [to cashier] "I don't need a bag, thanks" [cashier puts item in bag] "I don't need a bag thanks" [takes item out of bag and hands bag back to cashier to use for next customer]. @38 exit stage left.
@5: flushable litter (worked for me for years) or compostible poop bags, no reason to clog the landfill.
Anyone who needs more outrage regarding this bag ban need only look to the Seattle Times comment landslide. A couple of my enduring favorites:
`The city will be ankle-deep in dog poop because without plastic bags no one will be able to clean it up."
Supermarket checkers will die from ptomaine poisoning from touching filthy contaminated reused grocery bags."
Extra credit:
"I'm going to dump my dog poop on City Councilmembers' front yards!"
Have fun kids!
Posted by crone on June 28, 2012 at 7:43 PM · Report this
Kinison 48
Because I dont own a car, carrying 4-6 bags of groceries 6 blocks home via paper bags is a major hassle, I'll be using Amazon Fresh for the majority of my shopping.

Carrying 4-6 cloth bags with me everywhere I go, just isnt practical for me as it takes up too much room in my side bag (rainjacket, work lunch, tazer, plus gadgets). Even when I tell the wife "Im going shopping on Friday", I still got a text from her asking me to go to the store today, so I never know when im going to the store.

On a side note, if more people like me (people who dont own a car and forget to carry cloth bags with them) choose to order groceries online, it might bite the city in the ass. While most things are a few dimes more expensive, 125$ worth of food generated 55 cents worth of tax, so it basically offsets itself and there ends up being no delivery fee.

So in 6 months, someone should do a story about if Amazon Fresh or saw a slight bump in sales due to the new law. Their gain might result in a dip in tax revenues for the city, as well as lost sales for stores like QFC.
Posted by Kinison on June 28, 2012 at 7:56 PM · Report this
waaaaaaah, the grown babies who fear they might be inconvienced by the plastic bag ban.

i'm 62, haven't driven a car in 30 years, take the bus or walk to stores, any the ban on plastic bags has been on for over a year in my city -- and i've lived to tell you, it'd fucking easier.

the reusable bags don't split, stand up on their own, are easier to carry than plastic.

and if i forget 'em, or make a surprise grocery run, i can buy another in the store fo a dollar, or pay 10 cents for a paper bag, paper bags being the way my mother and grandmother brought their groceries home for decades.

i also roll 'em out in a small rolling cart, 20 dollars in most stores, if i'm stocking up on lots of stuff.

the chart is also reusable, clueless wah wah babies.

it's taken me a year to work thru all my saved plastic bags as garbage bags, and i'm happy to see them gone, they split and leaked.
Posted by judybrowni on June 28, 2012 at 8:01 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 50

I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not complaining because a cashier refusing to listen to me or to think of asking me what I want is a fate worse than death or because I think I'm obligated to take a bag when I've explicitly told them I don't want one.

I'm complaining as a counterpoint to the anti-ban people who claim they can't live without plastic bags. The stores keep trying to force them on me, much to my annoyance. This isn't an issue of choice since my choice is routinely ignored.
Posted by keshmeshi on June 28, 2012 at 8:06 PM · Report this
keshmeshi 51

Amazon Fresh is imposing the same taxes on you as your local grocery store.
Posted by keshmeshi on June 28, 2012 at 8:08 PM · Report this
Baconcat 52
Plastic bags showed up in the early 1960s, how will we ever live without them?
Posted by Baconcat on June 28, 2012 at 8:12 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 53
To paraphrase the late, great Nora Ephron: Show me a person who gets worked up about this, and I'll show you a real asshole.

I mean really - you have to remember something, or pay a nickel? Oh, boo hoo hoo.

"But what", the suddenly tender troll asks, "about the elderly? The forgetful? The the poor? The dear, dear poor? "

They'll learn to bring a bag. Just like the rest of us.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay on June 28, 2012 at 8:37 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 54
@ 48, in other words, you're inflexible. Jesus, just carry ONE bag with you if you feel that you just HAVE to be ready to go to the store without notice. If you have to buy more than can fill one bag on those occasions, you're really bad at planning your regular shopping.

@ 51, people keep telling him that, and he keeps repeating it on new threads anyway.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 28, 2012 at 9:04 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 55
To be fair, a necessity like a tazer does take up just oodles of room. When you add gadgets and a rain jacket, well....
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay on June 28, 2012 at 10:22 PM · Report this
raku 56
37/48- I don't have a car and I don't have a problem. I do usually carry a shoulder bag and just always keep a couple bags on the bottom.

You don't have to carry those thick canvas bags. Google Envirosax, Chicobag, or Baggu. They fold up to almost no space and are wonderful. If you don't carry a bag or backpack or purse, there are some with little carabiners that you can hook to a belt loop or whatever.
Posted by raku on June 28, 2012 at 11:38 PM · Report this
Blah blah blah blah blah, @54.

Judybrowni might be staggeringly self-righteous, but at least she walks her talk.

You live in Denver, and so there's a 99% chance you're doing your grocery shopping with your reusable bags in the back of your fucking gas-guzzler. Stop being a hypocrite and just shut the fuck up.
Posted by d.p. on June 29, 2012 at 2:37 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 58
@ 57, I wasn't addressing judybrowni. She commented @ 49. See? My comment clearly begins w/ "@ 48" and berates that person for NOT wanting to use bags.


Read the fucking comments before you do that again, stupid.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 29, 2012 at 4:58 AM · Report this
GlamB0t 59
I love my reusable bags and always have a couple canvas ones at the bottom of my purse. It's quite simple.

I DO NOT love the grocery store workers who treat reusable bags as if they are plastic. They are not. Heavy stuff at the bottom and not all in the same bag please. If I see a bagger that I know to be horrible, I lay my groceries and put a bag on each little pile, then ask the checker if my items could be bagged that way because I am walking. People are usually nice about it and if they have an issue, it's theirs. I shouldn't have to train their goddamn baggers, but best believe I will.
Posted by GlamB0t on June 29, 2012 at 8:14 AM · Report this
billrm 60
Bellingham too starts the bag ban on July 1 also.
Posted by billrm on June 29, 2012 at 8:16 AM · Report this
Fnarf 61
So I assume that on July 2, with the bag ban in effect, the subsequent reduction in plastic waste by 0.0000001% will result in an ecological paradise, right? Right?

Another question: if someone has lost one of his or her arms in an accident of some type, how will they be able to congratulate themselves on how wonderful they are?
Posted by Fnarf on June 29, 2012 at 10:05 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 62
@ 61, does your peepee hurt or something? Usually you aren't this disingenuous.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 29, 2012 at 11:10 AM · Report this
@58, you're not on "my side" and your reading comprehension is poor.

You had just launched into Kinison for being "bad at planning" and chastised anyone else who doesn't do what you see as the environmental imperative of lugging a bag around at all times.

But living in Denver, where no one walks to the supermarket, I can pretty much guarantee you've done more environmental damage by the time you arrive at the store (with your precious bags in the trunk) than I would do even if I packed my groceries in styrofoam.

I personally support the plastic ban, and I have no problem with the tiny surcharge for paper when I can't bring a reusable. What I oppose is the hypocrisy seeping from every pore of the environmentally-haughty gas-guzzlers in the western part of this country.

I mentioned Judibrowni for contrast. She's annoying, but she doesn't drive so she's not a hypocrite.
Posted by d.p. on June 29, 2012 at 12:08 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 64
Reading comprehension, eh? So you brought up judybrowni for no fucking reason? (Which your "contrast" is.) Dingleberry. Try writing for comprehension.

The rest shows what you know, d.b. I... wait for it... walk to the store all the time. It's half a mile away. I only drive for the big shopping because $200 worth of groceries is a lot to carry on foot, bike, or bus, and do it as part of a round trip where I take care of other errands. I walk or bike my kids to school, I don't drive to work because I'm a stay at home dad, and although my wife now commutes (because the only job she could find after being laid off for close to two years isn't on any bus or light rail line), she worked from home for five years.

Having lived in both Denver and Seattle, I can testify that Denver is the greener city. There are more walkable neighborhoods here than there. Many more bikepaths, with only a fraction of the car vs bike drama Seattle has. You don't have to live in an expensive central neighborhood, meaning that a green lifestyle is within reach of families of modest means, as opposed to young singles and childless couples with nice white collar jobs.

God, you really are a presumptive jackoff.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 29, 2012 at 12:40 PM · Report this
very bad homo 65
Just buy a couple of 99 cent reusable tote bags and carry them in your backpack. It's not the end of the world, and it's not even really that big of a deal.
Posted by very bad homo on June 29, 2012 at 12:44 PM · Report this
Whatever, jackass @64 who can't even get my two initials right.

So let's review. You carry a bag when you start your trip from home -- which you admit is where you spend 90% of your time -- and drive with bags for larger shopping trips. Then you berate anyone whose life doesn't function on the principle of "always starting from home and/or driving".

That's what I meant by hypocrisy.

(And, FWIW, I already said that Seattleites and West Coasters in general engage in the same hypocrisy as you do.)

Denver's non-driving mode-share is pathetic, RTD light rail is useless for anything but commuting from the wasteland of southern sprawl, the bike paths are more about a "Rocky Mountain high" self-image than the actual functioning of the city. And if Denver is full of "walkable" neighborhoods then you have a very different definition of "walkable" than most people (including your neighbors).

Posted by d.p. on June 29, 2012 at 1:07 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 67
@ 66, I got it your initials right, all right. Go reread my first paragraph @ 64 to see what they stand for, d.b.

I wasn't berating "anyone whose life doesn't function on the principle of "always starting from home and/or driving"." I was berating KINISON, who's argument was basically "I got to be ready to go to the grocery store WITH NO PRIOR NOTICE and I'm going to whine about it rather than, say, carry ONE bag with me or pony up the dime for the paper bag."

See the difference? No, you probably don't.

AND... you're pretty much wrong on most account of Denver, from your characterization of light rail (which is expanding to the west and north) to your crack about "walkability" (which you don't explain, probably because you can't) and the one about "mode share" (which isn't great but isn't Houston either).

In short, you're wrong. Now go die.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 29, 2012 at 1:35 PM · Report this
Ooh... so now light rail will connect wastelands of western and northern sprawl? And will be functionally useless for anything but parking-and-riding to work for a few thousand people once a day a those cardinal directions as well? I'm so impressed!
Posted by d.p. on June 29, 2012 at 1:57 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 69
@ 68, keep digging.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 29, 2012 at 2:09 PM · Report this
Whatever. Only an idiot would leave America's second-most deluded city for its most deluded one, and then spend the rest of his life commenting on local matters that no longer affect him.
Posted by d.p. on June 29, 2012 at 2:38 PM · Report this
Matt from Denver 71
@ 70, if you think a bag ban isn't coming to my town at some point, that's just one more thing you don't know.

Do you usually enjoy displaying your ignorance like this? Because it's impressive in a way.
Posted by Matt from Denver on June 29, 2012 at 2:51 PM · Report this
6 72
As entertaining as this thread is - I'm wondering why any of you get so worked up and spend this much energy defending how you buy groceries. Who cares if someone calls you a name or *gasp* accuses you (perhaps falsely) of driving to the grocery store? Silly, silly people. Oh, in case you're wondering, this is how I get to the store/purchase my groceries/bag them/get them home. *insert your own story here*

(I DO have a small reusable bag that turns into a tiny, tiny pouch that I can keep on my key ring - not huge, but perfect for those unexpected stops at the store on my way home. I recommend these sorts of bags to everyone.)
Posted by 6 on June 29, 2012 at 4:44 PM · Report this

Hey, Matt, how many times have you used RTD light rail in the last year, just to pursue one strand of your deluded dipshittery? Once? Twice? Never?

Smug citizens of Growing Western Cities (TM) get so irrationally erect for light rail -- a meaningless term, BTW, that came to widespread usage only because it seemed to cause less terror in suburbanites -- that they relinquish their ability to assess whether that rail is built in any remotely useful manner.

You live in the central city of a major metropolitan area, Matt. If light rail rarely fits into your life or that of any other city residents, then it's a pretty fucking useless addition to the urban form no matter how much you crow about it. The ridership numbers back me up on this.

This phenomenon is hardly limited to Denver, but RTD light rail happens to be an especially glowing example of it.

Oh, right, but Denver is "green" because you personally leave the house with a canvas sack!

Posted by d.p. on June 29, 2012 at 4:51 PM · Report this
Eastpike 74
A ban no doubt supported by makers of garbage can liners, almost all of which are made overseas with minimal "recycled" content (actually just trimmings from the same factory). Re-use of USA made plastic shopping bags (60%-100% recycled, about 1/10th the weight in material) is by far a better choice for garbage. I didn't know that these bags were such a litter problem, but I think we're creating a problem while "solving" another.
Posted by Eastpike on June 30, 2012 at 12:04 PM · Report this
I used to believe that plastic bag bans were an inconvenience to pet owners, until I got a dog. If every single item I purchased from a retail store were bagged in a separate shopping bag, I still wouldn't have enough bags to keep up with the pup. So I forego the store bags and buy biodegradable waste bags in bulk from the internets. They're less than $.02/bag (since DC charges $.05 per bag, that's a savings), and slightly better for the environment than indestructible shopping bags (plus I can put them in a convenient holder attached to my leash, so I never forget bags or have to stuff them in my waistband because I'm wearing athletic pants without pockets). Also, far fewer of them have holes in them (basically none, unless I rip poorly), so they can all be used for the job at hand. And I still get enough shopping bags from the "oops, I forgot my bag" or "well, I bought more than I planned on" moments to line my trash cans.
Posted by Ms. D on July 1, 2012 at 11:46 AM · Report this
Ergh...for places with outright bans, might I suggest paper bags for lining small waste baskets? My grandparents always did that, and it was fine (really, what are you throwing away in the bathroom or office that REQUIRES a leak-proof bag). Or you can buy small trash bags, if you're set on having plastic. Personally, I don't line my living room, bedroom, and office trash cans at all. All I put in them is paper (receipts, clothing tags, and the like) and the occasional dryer sheet. Not really gonna make a mess in the can.
Posted by Ms. D on July 1, 2012 at 11:50 AM · Report this
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Posted by ketherin on July 2, 2012 at 2:46 AM · Report this
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Probably too late to make a difference, but FWIW, you can get the super lightweight nylon bags that fold up into a tiny 2X3 or whatever and have a keychain hook and shit (as mentioned above) at Daiso Japan. For Seattle Peeps: It's in the ID and at Westlake, and you can get these bags in just as fancy of patterns and colors for only 1.50 each. I just carry a few in my bag at all times, to the point where I feel naked without one.
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