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Right on, Mike.
Posted by noamg on September 13, 2012 at 3:18 PM · Report this
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Can anybody tell me why West Seattle didn't get in on this deal?
Posted by howie in seattle on September 13, 2012 at 3:21 PM · Report this
Banned on The Seattle Times 4
Obviously McDumbass has never ridden the #11 bus to Madison Park - an empty bus at most times...
Posted by Banned on The Seattle Times on September 13, 2012 at 3:29 PM · Report this
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@2 probably because we're getting BRT, the C line, instead.
Posted by Westside forever on September 13, 2012 at 3:30 PM · Report this
kitschnsync 6
Thanks for working to make a difference, Mayor McGinn.

/in before the armchair generals
Posted by kitschnsync on September 13, 2012 at 3:30 PM · Report this
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Four more years.
Posted by tiktok on September 13, 2012 at 3:30 PM · Report this
kitschnsync 9
Oops. Looks like I typed too soon.
Posted by kitschnsync on September 13, 2012 at 3:31 PM · Report this
Posted by Gordon Werner on September 13, 2012 at 3:34 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 12
Gotta love McGinn trying to save his butt before he starts facing challenges for a second term in a few months. Too late to be sure but he's trying.

I voted for you in the primary and in the general but not again.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on September 13, 2012 at 3:36 PM · Report this
seandr 13
Mike, you forgot to mention that once we finish building all of this nifty rail, it will cost the city millions more dollars per year in subsidies to operate than buses currently do.

Are you aware how much money the SLUT burns up each year in operational costs? Or even worse, Portland's streetcars? Where does that budget come from?
Posted by seandr on September 13, 2012 at 3:37 PM · Report this
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Lotsa McGinn on Slog today, huh?
Posted by gloomy gus on September 13, 2012 at 3:39 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 15
@13, the third stadium will magically pay for it. Somehow...just trust him.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on September 13, 2012 at 3:39 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 16
@14, and expect much much more in the months to come! Slog was really behind McGinn 4 years ago and now with him not being very popular he's going back to a part of his base support.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on September 13, 2012 at 3:41 PM · Report this
kitschnsync 17
I think McGinn expected the arena deal to be his ace in the hole. The City Council managed to steal credit for that, which was a masterful stroke for them.

But don't forget: It started in the Mayor's office, basketball fans.
Posted by kitschnsync on September 13, 2012 at 3:46 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 18
@13 compared to the SR-99 boondoggle?

The toll revenue shortfall from that makes this pennies on the dollar.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on September 13, 2012 at 3:48 PM · Report this
kitschnsync 19
Oh, and for those of you who think McGinn has been terrible on issues like police accountability: Mayor Burgess.

Say that out loud a few times, and then think about the issue again.
Posted by kitschnsync on September 13, 2012 at 3:49 PM · Report this
Matt the Engineer 20
Unlike early media assumptions of these studies, this looks well thought out and will leave room for the Seattle Subway. Thanks for posting.
Posted by Matt the Engineer on September 13, 2012 at 3:58 PM · Report this
seandr 21
@19: Right, Burgess' experience as a police officer is really going to work against him when it comes to managing the SPD.

It's a moot point, however, given that Pete Holmes is going to be our next mayor.
Posted by seandr on September 13, 2012 at 4:07 PM · Report this
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I don't live in Seattle, I live in Cleveland, 100 years ago we were where you are today. It's been a long decline. I'm not familiar with your current local politics so won't comment on them. I will tell you this however. These types of projects matter, they matter in ways you don't expect. They matter big time when your no longer the hot spot and ascending.

Cleveland would be a total shit hole to live in if hadn't been for some major public amenities put in place when we were the shit, when our "millionaires row" was known worldwide.

When your thinking about this type of stuff, try and look down the road 100 years. And I don't mean just Rail and public transportation systems, we sorta dropped the ball on that one, but parks and recreation, educational institutions, museums, Arts & theater, sports teams, Utilities (congratulations your pubic electric utility is still producing power) your port and lake front er ocean front.....etc I think you get my point.

These aren't short term short return investments, they will be there to catch you when you start to decline.
Posted by Machiavelli was framed on September 13, 2012 at 4:09 PM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 24
There is no way to build rail to West Seattle and not take up two lanes that are for cars on the bridge. And there is no room to build rail on any West Seattle streets with out displacing cars.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on September 13, 2012 at 4:23 PM · Report this
kitschnsync 25
Seandr @21, Cops aren't the best at policing cops. Burgess would overlook the occasional unprovoked beating of a citizen in order to avoid impugning the authority of the police.

Remember Burgess' panhandling bill, which McGinn vetoed? That's the type of Seattle Burgess wants: Sanitized for the wealthy, ignoring the rights of the disadvantaged.
Posted by kitschnsync on September 13, 2012 at 4:24 PM · Report this
Baconcat 26
Seattle is falling behind San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, Houston and SLC in terms of aggressive transit planning for their city's respective cores. It's time to actually get a move on and do the same here.
Posted by Baconcat on September 13, 2012 at 4:33 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 27
@23 so how many times do you plan to sneak in line again tonite to get a free beer?
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on September 13, 2012 at 4:44 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 30
I should point out that 26,000 people a day is about one-third the current revised projection usage for the SR-99 Billionaires Tunnel ... but at 1/2500th the price that means literally ONE HUNDRED TIMES AS MANY COMMUTERS PER DOLLAR for McGinn's plan.

It's all about the ridership. And the Streetcar Pub Crawls.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on September 13, 2012 at 5:06 PM · Report this
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Can we dedicate some money to throw at Light rail so they could possibly speed up construction? I'd like to be able to ride to Northgate or Ballard before I'm dead.

Posted by UNPAID COMMENTER on September 13, 2012 at 5:06 PM · Report this
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To build the eastlake light rail you'd probably have to remove parking and/or mess up a major cycling commuter route. But I have an easy fix!

Just buy this ONE PROPERTY:

http://goo.gl/maps/rd7ch

...and turn it into a park with bike lane. Suddenly you've got a beautiful waterfront ride with no hills all the way from the U to downtown.
Posted by Big Adventure Steve on September 13, 2012 at 5:21 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 33
Looks like a whole lot of analyzing and not a whole lot of doing, and a whole lot of tax payer dollars we do not have going into the pockets of well connected consultants.

I will be glad to see McGinn tossed out on his ass next election.

Unemployment would be fitting for a mayor who looks like a bum.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on September 13, 2012 at 5:21 PM · Report this
lark 36
Good on you Mayor McGinn for participating on SLOG.
Posted by lark on September 13, 2012 at 6:20 PM · Report this
seandr 39
@25: Burgess's aggressive panhandling bill was a symbolic effort to change public perception about public safety in Belltown and Pioneer Square. Both of those areas could have really used the help in order to stop the hemorrhaging of high-profile businesses to Capitol Hill and South Lake Union.

As for the SPD, they've basically make Mike "the hippy" McGinn their bitch, and as a result, the opportunity afforded by the DOJ was completely wasted. The city needs a politically savvy mayor with the brains and balls to outmaneuver the police union. Burgess might be the guy (in part because he understands how the SPD works), although I think Pete Holmes is a better bet.
Posted by seandr on September 13, 2012 at 10:19 PM · Report this
seandr 40
@25: "Sanitized for the wealthy"

Not quite. Really, the bill was about "sanitizing" Pioneer Square and Belltown for women so that they could feel safe. I don't know a single woman who enjoys being harassed on the street for money by drunk and/or mentally deranged men. As a result, many women won't go to Belltown or Pioneer square alone, and others avoid those places altogether.

But not you! You like your streets gritty and free of females!
Posted by seandr on September 13, 2012 at 10:33 PM · Report this
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Is the • $2 million for a corridor analysis of a high-capacity transit line from downtown to University District, via Eastlake. If approved by the council, this work would begin next year.
the best use of money since the link lightrail is already going from Downtown to the U district?
Posted by Narb on September 14, 2012 at 9:21 AM · Report this
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Is the -• $2 million for a corridor analysis of a high-capacity transit line from downtown to University District, via Eastlake. -the best use of money since the link light rail already is going to go from Downtown to the U District?
Posted by Narb on September 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM · Report this
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22, I couldn't agree more. I grew up in Cleveland and now I live in Seattle. TRUST ME people of Seattle, the political world here is heaven compared to that in Cleveland.

Cleveland has completely fallen off the map because for decades, the city politicians and industrial tycoons abused its greatest amenity (the lakefront) for steel production. Now the city is left with hundreds of acres of polluted land, a horrible economy, and the frustration that none of the political leaders of the past had the foresight to consider what sort of implications their actions would have on the future.

There is a lot of building going on right now in Seattle and I know that can be scary to tax payers, but this sort of building is the kind of stuff that will make Seattle a world competitor in the future. When other cities are building highways and parking lots, Seattle is prioritizing rail, public parks, and bicycle infrastructure. There has been a major cultural shift happening in the last few years and ignoring that would go completely against what Seattle is all about. Gas is too expensive, people like to ride bikes, young people are flocking to cities. All of these things are translating into more people-oriented cities as opposed to a car-oriented cities. Mcginn has embraced this notion and Seattle will be better in the long run for it.

Posted by db206 on September 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM · Report this
kitschnsync 46
saendr @40: Really, the bill was about "sanitizing" Pioneer Square and Belltown for women so that they could feel safe.

Huh? That's a very, very narrow interpretation of the bill's intents. Burgess never framed the intent of the bill that way. It seems you are inventing a straw man.

You like your streets gritty and free of females!

Oh, I see. You're trolling me. Good luck with that.
Posted by kitschnsync on September 14, 2012 at 11:27 AM · Report this
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Completely agree with #2 here. West Seattle is a virtual island, when the bridge is out, the busses are stuck just like a car. So not sure how we think Rapid Ride will solve for our transit issues. Rail would be the way to go. Is it simply a technical issue? Or a perceived demand issue?
Posted by OnGraham on September 14, 2012 at 12:11 PM · Report this
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McGinn is unpopular because Seattle's vile business associations resent his agenda of pro-transit, and because Seattle's over-educated psuedo-progressives are easily fooled into believing that Seattle transportation planners have any intention to build effective transit service nor design streets to manage traffic safely. The money trail always leads to automobile-related business interests who have created and will maintain the automobile dependency as a cash cow. They find amusement watching people suffer and die.
McGinn has been overwhelmed by Seattle's vile business associations.
Posted by Wells on September 14, 2012 at 1:13 PM · Report this
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Oh silly Mister G,

The point is that if you're so fed up with progressive infrastructure and politics maybe you should move to a city like Cleveland where you'll have ACTUAL political corruption and all the road you want for your "3 cars". If you do live in Seattle, you're a lot luckier than most people and clearly you don't realize that.

Posted by db206 on September 14, 2012 at 1:19 PM · Report this
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Oh I'm not trying to convince you of anything that would obviously a lost cause. I'm simply saying that you sound like a spoiled baby complaining about how awful things are in one of the most privileged cities in the country.

And this has nothing to do with Somolia, last I checked. I didn't like Cleveland so I moved to Seattle where the people like me outnumber the people like you.
Posted by db206 on September 14, 2012 at 2:02 PM · Report this
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West Seattle to Ballard though downtown was the HIGHEST capacity route, which is why the monorail folks sought to build that first. MLK to Northgate was second. Which is why Light rail went there. You would have to build a separate light rail bridge to West Seattle and that would be expensive but probably not as expensive as all of the productivity lost and gas burned while sitting in traffic on mind-bogglingly stupid highway design (1 lane exit for West Seattle AND Beacon Hill? who was the genius who thought that was a good idea?)
Posted by Jamiea on September 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM · Report this
DM1 60
I agree. What about adding a bicycle lane to the Monorail? I feel like those bike riders are really being disenfranchised because they can't ride 200 feet above street level. And the nice thing is they won't have to avoid pedestrians at that elevation!
Posted by DM1 on September 16, 2012 at 9:51 AM · Report this
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Buss transit and bike routs are great. I am all for alternative means of transport for students, politicians, yuppies and unemployed hipsters, but last I checked Seattle transit will not allow me to load 10 foot copper pipe, 4x8 plywood, drywall, lumber and most of my power tools onboard. I suppose I could load all these needed items on a bike trailer and ride up Boren avenue during rush hour.
I live and work in Seattle, just saying.
I will not vote for Bike McShwin again.
Posted by grantf on January 18, 2013 at 7:46 PM · Report this
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To Mister G,
Renters vote for levies, then there landlord raises there rent and they bitch about it.
Posted by grantf on January 18, 2013 at 7:57 PM · Report this

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