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Come on, you know you're obliged to stick in a S.L.U.T. joke. You're off your game here.
Posted by Morosoph on September 21, 2012 at 1:19 PM · Report this
MacCrocodile 2
Whatever. I'm considerably shorter, I get stuck in traffic like anybody else, and I frequently smell like farts, but I still get riders.
Posted by MacCrocodile http://maccrocodile.com/ on September 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM · Report this
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Although it was seen as corporate welfare to help out a billionaire, the streetcar has been an important investment in our coties infrastructure. I will admit, I was very skeptical of using our limited city resources to help Vulcan, but I was wrong. The investments the city has made in this neighborhood have been worth every penny.

My biggest concern is that Amazon doesn't have a catastrophic collapse like WaMu did.
Posted by ProstSeattle on September 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM · Report this
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Ride it? Hell, I got married on it.
Posted by kooshball on September 21, 2012 at 1:37 PM · Report this
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Lots of people may ride it - if it happens to come along when they are headed that way - but no one PAYS to ride it.
Posted by Charlie Mas on September 21, 2012 at 1:42 PM · Report this
cressona 6
I shudder to think how long it would take to get from Ballard to downtown on a streetcar.

Granted, the endpoint-to-endpoint commute wouldn't be the primary purpose of such a line. That's more for Rapid Ride.

Which brings me to... I shudder to think how long it will take to get from Ballard to downtown on Rapid Ride. Ah, I see we'll find out in little more than a week from when I write this:
http://metro.kingcounty.gov/travel-optio…

In the long term, the real answer for corridors like westside Seattle is light rail with a second downtown transit tunnel or elevated like a monorail. However long it takes to get a Sound Transit 3 plan to the voters, that corridor has got to be part of it.

Modes like streetcars and so-called bus rapid transit should be short-term stopgaps and long-term complements to the transit spines. Just, if we're going to introduce these things, let's give them enough right-of-way and frequency to make them significantly better than conventional bus service. You can sense my ambivalence.
Posted by cressona on September 21, 2012 at 2:14 PM · Report this
south downtown 7
what is the current daily bus ridership between downtown and Ballard?

Isn't BRT a more prudent approach?
Posted by south downtown on September 21, 2012 at 2:30 PM · Report this
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they never talk about travel time. what's the point of a trolley, if it isin't faster than a bus?

seriously. the middle class is fighting for its life here, we can't afford things that don't actually work.

26,000 a day is easy, sure, put in a street car and take out some busses, presto! you have streetcar ridership. so what? if the travel time is not faster. and what's the $50 million a mile capital cost for, if it's not faster?

here's how to boost transit NOW. put in point to point express busses from dowtown ballard all the way downtown, no stops! before the terminal. boom, those will full up pronto, give quicker travel times. you don't need more concrete laying to do it, you don't need curb bulb installation to do it, you don't need rails to do it, and you don't need to fuck up car and crosstown traffic to do it. btw you do know that the signal prioritization will affect buses going east west, too? you don't really gain by making other things slower.

cressona is right, the need is for fast grade separated, till we build that we're just massing the problem endlessly with no real solution.
Posted by move these deck chairs on September 21, 2012 at 2:40 PM · Report this
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The streetcar is slow enough that I can beat it by walking between the first two stops as opposed to riding it. That's entirely because it lacks streetlight priority.

I might start riding it if it ever starts raining again, and I definitely appreciate when I'm going all the way down to SLU. Thumbs up.
Posted by unpaid reader on September 21, 2012 at 3:05 PM · Report this
MarkyMark 10
If the Monorail had gone through, it would already be up and running to Ballard (and West Seattle), making this future possibility moot...
Posted by MarkyMark on September 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM · Report this
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Of course people ride it. Check it out going from the Hutch to Westlake any weekday afternoon. It's SRO on every train from 4:00 until 6:00. Yes, it should have streetlight priority, which would make it so much more useful, but a lot of people do use it, and have been using it, for a long while now.
Posted by Grrrwlr on September 21, 2012 at 3:45 PM · Report this
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Does anyone (except tourists) pay the fare?
Posted by Charlie Mas on September 21, 2012 at 4:27 PM · Report this
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they really need to extend that line up to UW, then you'll see a ton of people using it, and hopefully would spur some development along Eastlake Ave
Posted by high and bi on September 21, 2012 at 4:47 PM · Report this
tothepoint 14
I ride it every day - drop off my kid at a daycare in South Lake Union, and get on at the first stop. I'm at the last stop 12-15 minutes later. And you know what? I love it. I know I'm riding through gentrified SLU, but it feels like I'm in Amsterdam. I can set my brain for the day while I ride in a clean, smooth train - much more pleasant than a bus. I have an ORCA card - but there's no way right now for me to "pay" unless there's a random check.
Posted by tothepoint on September 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM · Report this
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@11 F'real. Been this way for a while now.
@12 No. I wonder how they even count ridership -- must be extrapolated from literal headcounts.
Posted by hereiswheremynamegoes on September 21, 2012 at 4:55 PM · Report this

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