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TVDinner 1
So long overdue. Oh my god, embarrassingly long.
Posted by TVDinner http:// on November 23, 2012 at 12:26 PM · Report this
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Thats awesome. Now we should target the fightin Irish and Vikings.
Posted by erly on November 23, 2012 at 12:27 PM · Report this
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why not also ban the irish totems at catholic schools, and the viking stuff? the vikings enslaved people, we have a statue for a murderer at the marina. then there's the slaveholder names all around. like Washington State. Why do we celebrate that? then there's the use of the name Seattle, did chief Sealth give permission? then there's .....
Posted by dallas cowboys demeaning too? on November 23, 2012 at 12:29 PM · Report this
sperifera 4
I totally support honoring Native/First Nations/Indigenous Peoples by ending this disrespectful misappropriation of mascot names, but question whether Warriors should be defined as such. I've never associated it with any one group, and suspect that the word was in use long before the European invaders decimated a vibrant culture.
Posted by sperifera on November 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM · Report this
raku 5
#3: Wow, what a problematic slippery slope. If only human beings had the ability to tell what is obviously degrading & offensive and what obviously isn't.
Posted by raku on November 23, 2012 at 12:52 PM · Report this
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warriors to me is a generic term for any, well warrior. This could refer to medieval knights, modern soldiers or any number of fighting men during the course of history.

the others to me definitely refer to the native americans and should be banned. I guess you could look at the various "warroirs" logos and get them to change it to a viking or roman legionary if it is a native with a tomahawk or something
Posted by high and bi on November 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM · Report this
Asparagus! 7
I was just wondering aloud yesterday how teams can be called the 'redskins' in 2012. The defence of things like 'braves', 'indians', 'warriors', et al. is always something about respecting the blah blah (and other problematic, obtuse shit), but redskins is just a straight-up, unadulterated racial slur.
Posted by Asparagus! on November 23, 2012 at 1:30 PM · Report this
Asparagus! 8
Also, re: warriors and roman soldiers

Why would you want to be the XXXX warriors when you could be the XXX prætorians?
Posted by Asparagus! on November 23, 2012 at 1:33 PM · Report this
California Kid 9
How is Tomahawk and Warriors disrespectful? Tomahawks where ( and are ) still used and American soldiers of all races, and warrior is a race neutral term.
Posted by California Kid on November 23, 2012 at 1:34 PM · Report this
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Can we use a John T. Williams mascot?
Posted by The Fightin' Irish on November 23, 2012 at 3:10 PM · Report this
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@9 then make the mascot an image of an American soldier then, not of a generic, stereotypical plains Indian.
Posted by CPD on November 23, 2012 at 3:50 PM · Report this
Skye Blu 12
the only school that can have a Native mascot is one that has 50% or larger population of Native American students.
Warriors i think is a generic term for fighter, they can keep the name but change the logo to something not a bad caricature of a First Nations person.
Clearly also Fightin' Irish is damn offensive and since there are more Irish here I would have thought that one would have been put to bed sooner rather than later, but then look at St. Patty's day...
Slow progress is better than no progress, and either is better than regression.
Posted by Skye Blu on November 23, 2012 at 4:38 PM · Report this
Fnarf 13
Get rid of Eastside Catholic's "Crusaders", while you're at it.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on November 23, 2012 at 5:38 PM · Report this
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All of the Federal Way middle schools are named after Native American tribes. Most of them have animal mascots, but one team is the Sacajawia Warriors, and the other is the Illahee Braves. They were named thus to HONOR native americans, not insult them. I don't see how renaming the mascots will in any way make anything better for anyone. Does Federal Way need to rename all their schools so they don't have Native American names? Sometimes PC is just stupid.
Posted by SeattleKim on November 23, 2012 at 7:18 PM · Report this
NaFun 15
I don't think many Irish mind being known as belligerent drunks.
Posted by NaFun http://www.dancesafe.org on November 23, 2012 at 8:16 PM · Report this
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Those who call themselves Warriors could probably deal with the problem by changing their mascot imagery to something more Viking-looking, without changing the name.
Posted by I have always been... east coaster on November 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM · Report this
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I love the "anti-political corrrect" right wing, bringing up examples of "white discrimination".

Hey you stupid pile of shit in a skull, let me know when we conquer Ireland and murder 99% of its citizens. Then we can talk about the novelty mascots.
Posted by whiny assed titty-babies, the lot on November 24, 2012 at 10:25 AM · Report this
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hey dumbshit @17, we english did conquer ireland. duh.

as to the guy saying some things are obviously offensive and some aren't....nice eluding there. I am french descended, there are stores all over misappropriating french sybols as mascots and brands from french bread to croissants to french bakeries to french soup. This offends me. should they stop? I am against slavery, yet our state is named for a slaveholder. that should change? I am againts slaveyr yet all this viking worship aroun dhere seems to worship enslavement and rampage.....that should stop? what about the sopranos, not only is it a gross stereotype but look they are making fun of opera AND crime gangs two stereotypes in one! as for redskins, many cultures in the americas refer to skin color and it's not racist. ever been to latin america? la rubia. el guero. el gordo. el flaco. el moreno. la morena. la mulata tiene tumbao. I guess I can refer to skin color IF I AM TALKING SPANISH but not in english, is that it? face it, there is a logical incoherence to appropriating Seatlh's name for our city, while banning the appropriation of ...Braves as a stupid football team name...while thinking fighting irish is okay based on some presumed numbers test of imagined poll of irish americans...hey I thought human rights didn't depend on polls, right? all this combined with the fact we have plenty of REAL racist crap to worry a bout from the plague of vilence in neighborhoods that oh just happen to be peopl of color always, not white, to no voting rights for some by law to no voting rights for some by practices of the ohio secretary of state. thus, to point out that AT BEST this name crap is super minor trivial inconsistent racism moral display more than a real attack on racism, is a fair point to make, and if those not getting it can only say "ah, but we can tell what's offensive and what's not" then that just shows the utter moral and logical incoherence of being in a state named for a slaveholder in a city named for a native "american"
(btw, why isn't that term offensive too, aren't we appropriating hte name of an italian, mmmmm? and applying it to native americans? see, in the end it's all just arbitrary faux outrage claims) then acting all holier than though by banning names like the Braves. Braves, who cares? Vandals, who cares? fighting irish with a little green man, who the fuck cares, we have people dyin in the sudan and american citizens without marriage rights and some, yes, some, without equal voting rights. to fail to distinguish the substantial from the utterly trivial is at bottom, self aggrandizingly stupid, what zbig would call "stunningly superficial." we're supposed to be the logical ones, remember?
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Posted by spokane klickitat okay? what? on November 25, 2012 at 3:29 PM · Report this

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