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tainte 1
c'mon man, yer better than this. i'm a liberal douchebag myself, but i'm smart enough to know that this idiot doesn't represent the views of all conservatives in america.
Posted by tainte on December 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM · Report this
Rujax! 2
That's what passes for Republican debate these days. Like the new secessionists (hey...a band name!). These folks are proud of their low information, bumper sticker, selfish bigoted positions.

Fukkin' A!!!
Posted by Rujax! http://rujax.blogspot.com/ on December 3, 2012 at 5:24 PM · Report this
Dominic Holden 3
@1) Don't be obtuse. Read the post again: It says that some conservatives are moving in one direction, some are introducing hateful legislation in the other direction, and some are being crazy. You can't seriously believe this post says this guy represents all conservatives. Yeesh.
Posted by Dominic Holden on December 3, 2012 at 5:24 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 4
Big whoop, Ed Murray. Patty Murray has gotten death threats on her voice mail. Eat yr heart out.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on December 3, 2012 at 5:26 PM · Report this
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There is a deep, rich vein of conservative shit-fitting we have barely begun to mine. It's a gusher. Just sit back and enjoy.
Posted by nullbull on December 3, 2012 at 5:26 PM · Report this
TVDinner 6
Also, alarmingly, a lot of these nutjobs are armed to the teeth.
Posted by TVDinner http:// on December 3, 2012 at 5:42 PM · Report this
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Sounds kinda like Ted Nugent. Does he live near you guys?
Posted by catsnbanjos on December 3, 2012 at 5:43 PM · Report this
Free Lunch 8
I know several conservatives who oppose this, as well as a path to citizenship for illegals. I don't detect any racism in their reasoning, which is this: we shouldn't reward people for breaking the law.

It's certainly an argument that's hard to counter, as this strict law-and-order view of theirs is so strong that it isn't swayed by the human tragedy of, say, deporting some kid's parents, even if they are (otherwise) law-abiding and hard-working.
Posted by Free Lunch on December 3, 2012 at 5:56 PM · Report this
Reverse Polarity 9
This fine citizen probably has no idea that all the 'illegal wetbacks' pay sales tax just like he does. And gas tax. And property tax. Most pay social security tax too, but never see a dime of it. They deserve access to education as much as any other taxpayer.

That makes him stupid as fuck, as well a racist asshole.
Posted by Reverse Polarity on December 3, 2012 at 6:10 PM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 10
You can criticize liberals for a lot of things, but they can be persuaded, they can shift. It's both a weakness & a strength. The part of the electorate that this caller represents will never move from their views. They are entrenched and just as easily turn on their own for anything less than a complete return to the Jim Crow South.

The views of these folks aren't reproducing like they used to. They will die w/ those that hold them. Kids today want hope, and are far more willing to accept their neighbors than any generation before them. The Republicans are zombies, already dead, but still walking around, causing havoc.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on December 3, 2012 at 6:12 PM · Report this
Tacoma Traveler 11
Given what you see on Faux News (if you can stand watching it for more than a minute), this is tame stuff. Ed's been called much worse, and he's courageous enough to stick to his principles no matter what these conservatives say about him.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on December 3, 2012 at 6:12 PM · Report this
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"And the worse it get for conservatives, the crazier that callers like this guy get."

And the better it gets for Democrats. Let the Repugs keep moving to the extreme right. We'll see where that gets them in 2016.
Posted by Patricia Kayden on December 3, 2012 at 6:16 PM · Report this
Original Andrew 13
@ Sure. That's why you always hear KKKonservatives sputtering and shrieking about Canadians and Britons who might be in the country illegally, too.
Posted by Original Andrew on December 3, 2012 at 6:25 PM · Report this
Original Andrew 14
Did anyone think to *69 that cracker?

Or maybe try the caller ID?
Posted by Original Andrew on December 3, 2012 at 6:26 PM · Report this
sperifera 15
I'm glad no one told this guy that Ed Murray is the gay one.
Posted by sperifera on December 3, 2012 at 6:27 PM · Report this
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Thank you Ed Murray! The Latino community thanks you. More proof that he should stay in Olympia and not run for mayor. We need leadership like his and not spineless Frank Chopp.
Posted by SeMe on December 3, 2012 at 6:45 PM · Report this
Hernandez 17
@8 Uh, it's only hard to counter if you're not considering this thing we call "reality," which basically amounts to this: people are coming to this country from south of the border because they have work opportunities unavailable to them in their home countries, regardless of whether or not they do so through the standard channels for legal immigration. That is the fact of the matter. Full stop. It does not change because you enact racist immigration policies (i.e. Arizona), and it does not change no matter how much they bitch and moan about it. Hell, the only thing that really makes a difference is the strength of our economy, as we saw during the recession.

It's not about being swayed by human tragedy or not. It's about acknowledging reality and working with it, or denying reality and working against it. Calling that "hard to counter" is giving them intellectual credit they don't deserve.

Posted by Hernandez http://hernandezlist.blogspot.com on December 3, 2012 at 7:24 PM · Report this
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@8 That why I like the plan put forth by Bush and Obama, that was a good plan, not amnesty but not sending them back either.
Posted by Seattle14 on December 3, 2012 at 8:04 PM · Report this
Sir Vic 19
@15 My thinking exactly. Dude could use a little more "faggot" and a little less "douchebag".
Posted by Sir Vic on December 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM · Report this
Chelydra_serpentina 20
@8 - Your conservative acquaintances think people shouldn't be rewarded for breaking the law? That's fair, but ask them how they feel about kids being punished because their parents broke the law.
Posted by Chelydra_serpentina on December 3, 2012 at 9:00 PM · Report this
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O.K., but I'm concerned that they'll keep on moving to the right but get control at some point anyway due to Democratic ineptness and/or plain bad luck.

I remember when "Reagan for President" was nearly as funny a joke as "Nixon for President" evidently was in '61.
Posted by Gerald Fnord on December 3, 2012 at 9:04 PM · Report this
Free Lunch 22
@17 - I consider a counter successful only when the other side sees my viewpoint. I've tried all the arguments you laid out here - no luck. They can't get past rewarding law-breakers.

This hardly makes them intellectuals, but opposing amnesty on those grounds doesn't make them racists, either. To them it's like give a car thief a car.

If we want to pass immigration reform, we have to recognize that conservatives have this strict authoritarian strak, and figure out a way to get them the fuck past it. I've had no luck.
Posted by Free Lunch on December 3, 2012 at 9:08 PM · Report this
Free Lunch 23
@20 - Tried it, doesn't work. Their response is either:

Too bad for them, but their parents should have considered the consequences before they broke the law.

- or -

That's just a foot in the door for letting the law-breaking parents stay.
Posted by Free Lunch on December 3, 2012 at 9:33 PM · Report this
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State colleges and universities are paid by the taxpayers of this state, and there's a "discount" for state residents. As far as I can tell, there's no requirement by the universities (I could be wrong) that state residents are only citizens. All residents pay taxes in this state, where we fund nearly everything by sales and property taxes (and yes, renters pay property taxes in their rent - no landlord will rent at a loss; if his property taxes go up, the rent he charges will go up).
There's nothing in this about "rewarding people here illegally." It's about getting what you've paid for.
Posted by TJ on December 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 25
@3 ... But he does.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on December 3, 2012 at 11:40 PM · Report this
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@23 my GOP family are all rich and only care about money. Which I can't begrudge them because they what party is gonna let them keep the most loot at the end of the day.
My arguements are basically: it's stupidly expensive to deport people, who wil probably come back. Helping them become educated citizens who will benefit the country economically a lot of liberal positions tend to pay out in the long run. Heck keeping someone locked for life is cheaper then kiling them
But, like I said, my GOP family members only care about their wealth.
Posted by CbytheSea on December 3, 2012 at 11:50 PM · Report this
rowan redwing 27
Secede from the Union, please!
Posted by rowan redwing on December 4, 2012 at 3:59 AM · Report this
rowan redwing 28
I think we should give Texas back to Mexico, with no war involved. On top of that we should sell Alaska, back to Russia, for the same $7.2 million we bought it for.
Posted by rowan redwing on December 4, 2012 at 4:05 AM · Report this
tainte 29
oh geez, dominick. i thought you said conservative america is racist. my bad.

i stand corrected. what a piece of shit.
Posted by tainte on December 4, 2012 at 5:44 AM · Report this
bgk 30
Geh, I'd rather be a bleeding heart liberal than the alternative.
Posted by bgk on December 4, 2012 at 7:08 AM · Report this
internet_jen 31
Don't forget anti sharia legislation.
Posted by internet_jen on December 4, 2012 at 7:13 AM · Report this
McJulie 32
@23 When I was a wee lass growing up in Orange County, and my right wingier relatives talked about how they weren't racists and they didn't hate Hispanics, they just hated illegal immigrants who came here and took our jobs.

When I was very young, I took them at face value. Then eventually I noticed they were full of crap. They didn't care about illegality in any other respect -- these were people quite happy to drive faster than the speed limit, cheat on their taxes, and defend Republican politicians when they broke the law. They never checked for green cards or birth certificates before saying racist things about particular Hispanics. And they didn't seem at all concerned about "illegal immigrants" when it was, say, a European college student overstaying their visa.

Anyway, I'm sure I couldn't have won an argument directly with them either, because when people are full of crap, they don't argue with any consistency, and you can't win against that. You can merely demonstrate that they are full of crap.
Posted by McJulie on December 4, 2012 at 7:45 AM · Report this

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