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California Kid 1
I know how they feel, if Mittens won, I'd seriously look into the Cascadia movement.
Posted by California Kid on December 4, 2012 at 10:22 AM · Report this
Matt the Engineer 2
Even in red states, 25% of one party is more than a little short.
Posted by Matt the Engineer on December 4, 2012 at 10:27 AM · Report this
Max Solomon 3
You'll miss the food they contribute!
Posted by Max Solomon on December 4, 2012 at 10:27 AM · Report this
douchus 4
Washington and California provide a hell of a lot of food...
Posted by douchus on December 4, 2012 at 10:44 AM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 5
@3

You mean miss subsiding their farms. Take away all the tax dollars from cities keeping farmers in business, and either they, or whomever buys their land from them, will have no choice but to sell food on the open market. It's not like there's some other food consumer market with more money to spend than the liberal US cities.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on December 4, 2012 at 10:45 AM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 6
We'd be happy to let them go if we didn't have a duty to enforce Federal civil rights laws on behalf of all the non-white, non-male, non-Christian minorities in the red states.

Suck it up. We're in this together.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on December 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 7
@5: To be fair, those farm subsidies are not just flushing cash down the drain. They enable America to produce more food, with less costs, leading to food costs that are the envy of the world.

Something like 5% of our incomes goes to feeding ourselves. This is a monument of human achievement. Eliminating the subsidies would send food prices skyrocketing, essentially damning lots of poor people to starvation, and would dump a ton of middle-class families right back into poverty. The economic impacts of this would be profound and terrible.

I am happy to subsidize our food supply. Because I care about the middle class and the poor. Why is it that healthcare should be subsidized (as I am sure most of you believe), and food should not be?
Posted by Theodore Gorath on December 4, 2012 at 11:13 AM · Report this
Posted by Warren Terra on December 4, 2012 at 11:15 AM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 10
All bark and no bite.

If, in some alternate universe, they were actually allowed to secede, they'd shit their pants well within 6 months and come crying back to momma.

There's not a chance in hell they'd survive on their own.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on December 4, 2012 at 11:28 AM · Report this
sperifera 11
@7 - Subsidizing our food supply is a travesty when the overwhelming majority of those receiving subsidies are mega-ag corporations that show very solid balance sheets. The days of small Joe Farmer are long gone.
Posted by sperifera on December 4, 2012 at 11:33 AM · Report this
Gurldoggie 12
Don't let the trailer park tornado hit you on the way out.
Posted by Gurldoggie http://gurldogg.blogspot.com on December 4, 2012 at 12:06 PM · Report this
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So, go already.

If you can't convince the rest of your state, you can renounce your own citizenship: don't let the border door hit your ass on the way out of the country.
Posted by judybrowni on December 4, 2012 at 12:08 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 14
@7

Does that 5% include the subsidies? Without the subsidies, would prices "skyrocket" to a level higher than what we pay for food, including the subsidies? Why would that be?

Removing the subsidies introduces instability, which makes life harder for the farmers. Food consumers could still stabilize prices with food stamps. And you know the food stamp program would expand with a Congress not hamstrung by the red states. I don't see a problem on the consumer end.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on December 4, 2012 at 12:16 PM · Report this
Posted by Urgutha Forka on December 4, 2012 at 12:24 PM · Report this
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I'll admit that my mind often wandered during my home-schooling lessons in Jesus Math. Help me out: 25% is a majority, right?
Posted by Proteus on December 4, 2012 at 1:00 PM · Report this
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@3 hahahaha. You know it's not 1938, right?

99% of Republicans wouldn't know the first thing about farming or whatever idiot romantic notion those idiots have about being "makers."

My family are 4th generation farmers in south eastern Idaho. Not only are they democrats but the percentage of ANY party in their "rural" county, or any other, that are actual farmers is minuscule. Most work at Monsanto or other corporations. Just like everywhere else.

The overwhelming percentage of Republicans in these secession movements are suburbanites with shit jobs or social security collecting "deadbeats." Nobody would miss their stupid asses.
Posted by tkc on December 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM · Report this
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@7 yes, subsidizing makes food less expensive at the check-out register - but more expensive overall when you factor in the inefficiencies it adds to the tax code, the impact of corporate farming that's driven by these subsidies, and the lower overall quality of the food we end up with in a subsidized system.

If cheep food is the goal, we could just go for Soylent Green and eat for free.
Posted by SuperSteve on December 4, 2012 at 2:00 PM · Report this
Free Lunch 19
"Daddy, why are those states red?"

"That's the third-world, honey. Now finish you dinner. People in Texas are starving."
Posted by Free Lunch on December 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM · Report this
Chris in Vancouver WA 20
And what percent of that 25% is currently getting some sort of federal entitlements? Would this supposed Confederate States of America Part 2 provide the same entitlements? I kinda doubt it.
Posted by Chris in Vancouver WA on December 4, 2012 at 3:30 PM · Report this
Cascadian Bacon 21
Free Cascadia!!!
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on December 4, 2012 at 9:27 PM · Report this

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