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Matt from Denver 1
Never underestimate the power of voter apathy. Thankfully it was low this year, but it can come back at any time.
Posted by Matt from Denver on December 8, 2012 at 10:28 AM · Report this
If few folks vote- as in the Primaries - the nut jobs win! Which is why the more progressive folks need to stay involved! BTW my favorite bumper sticker of all time - Lobotomies for Republicans -It's the law!
Posted by pat L on December 8, 2012 at 10:34 AM · Report this
without pot to mask reality how could democraps possibly face the real world their policies create?

pot for all!
Posted by groovy man on December 8, 2012 at 10:38 AM · Report this
Their other trick is to redistrict everything democratic....see Utah as a prime example, where the GOP legislature and the church tried their best to gerrymander Matheson out of existence and pave the way for super freak Mia Love, liar extroadinaire.
Posted by StuckInUtah on December 8, 2012 at 10:51 AM · Report this
Because there are no Republican potheads?
Posted by rainbird on December 8, 2012 at 10:58 AM · Report this
Well Goldy, at least we're a little luckier here in WA with the proven incompetent wind bag Kirby running the party of voter repression.

Kirby's shown he really cannot lead a two car funeral procession.
Posted by MikeBoyScout on December 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM · Report this
Tacoma Traveler 7
20 years ago, there were many people who suggested that the reason why marijuana could not be legalized was because marijuana users weren't involved politically.

At the time, they were correct. Most of the stoners I knew in the 1990's didn't even bother to register to vote, nor did they know who their legislators were. As a result, politicians could get away with demonizing them, since this would garner support from people who didn't like stoners, and the politician stood no chance of losing votes from stoners themselves, who wouldn't be voting anyway.

Which is why I still cringe when some anarchist tells me they dont vote. Not voting not only deprives you of a voice, it also makes you a target.No matter what your political views are or how cynical you've become, not expressing that opinion at the ballot box is stupid.

This year, alot of people who previously thought politics was the epitome of un-cool got political. As a result, their lives are now better. And so are everyone else's.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on December 8, 2012 at 11:04 AM · Report this
Oh, and Goldy, you may want to update your post. Loser Kirby is not hoping Dems forget to vote he's said 'PEOPLE... forget to vote'
Posted by MikeBoyScout on December 8, 2012 at 11:08 AM · Report this
That was an utterly painful article to read. It really bothers me when people get the whole collapse of Rome wrong. They became Christian then fell apart. This is historical fact.
Posted by CbytheSea on December 8, 2012 at 11:18 AM · Report this
Actually, when Rome fell, it had been Christian for (much!) longer than the ole US of A has been in existence.
Posted by django on December 8, 2012 at 11:38 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 11
I'm so glad we're finally moving past the 1950's.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on December 8, 2012 at 11:38 AM · Report this
Original Andrew 12
Thank the FSM that we legalized MJ if for no other reason than no more trying to explain to doctors that existential ennui is a medical condition.
Posted by Original Andrew on December 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM · Report this
Purocuyu 13
That is why democrats should be pushing for mandatory voting. Voting booths open for a full week, and a paid holiday in there somewhere, voting at malls, and at churches, and wherever people go when there is no work, with a nice little penalty for those who don't vote. Make it so voting is 100% of the people.
Posted by Purocuyu on December 8, 2012 at 12:40 PM · Report this
At the same time, police are reminding people not to get so stoned they drive to Idaho.

Good advice!
Posted by RonK, Seattle on December 8, 2012 at 2:20 PM · Report this
Tacoma Traveler 15

Mandatory voting is good. So are mail in ballots and declaring Election Day itself to be a federal holiday. The act of voting should also be cast as an expression of patriotism and our civic duty as members of a democratic society. Further, NOTA should be an option on all ballots for every candidate election.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on December 8, 2012 at 3:00 PM · Report this
MacBastard 16
@5 A Republican pothead is what is called a Libertarian.
Posted by MacBastard on December 8, 2012 at 3:02 PM · Report this
I was once directly told by a Republican voter that Democrats/ liberals were unfit to govern and the sooner America became a one party system, the better.

Pointing out that this is how communist nations do it didn't elicit a response, sadly.
Posted by mubhappy on December 8, 2012 at 4:10 PM · Report this
Nelson Bradley 18

Agree, he's been that way since cheering the Vietnam war with his YAF buddies back in high school.
Posted by Nelson Bradley on December 8, 2012 at 5:31 PM · Report this
GhostDog 19

My personal favorite condition is "extreme incarceration anxiety syndrome"
Posted by GhostDog on December 8, 2012 at 7:48 PM · Report this
wilbur@work 20
Came here to say what 7 said, but they did it far better than I would have. Thanks, Tacoma Traveler.
Posted by wilbur@work on December 8, 2012 at 8:17 PM · Report this
Sir Vic 21
@9 Rome fell because of the corrupting effect of slavery. Xtianity was a slave's religion (still is), and its theme of redemption led to a complete breakdown of the social order upon which the Empire was built. Nobles & slaves can't be equals and continue to exist.
Posted by Sir Vic on December 9, 2012 at 9:14 AM · Report this
@21 I honestly think it collapsed due to over-extending itself. I don't think adapting Christianty caused their collapse. It was a huge and complex system and its near impossible to boil it down to one factor.
I think it's really funny when people mis-use two common tropes related to the Roman Empire, their collapse and existence as a pagan state. Two eras that happened separately yet people who are terrible at history seem to confuse the two a lot.
Posted by CbytheSea on December 9, 2012 at 9:38 AM · Report this
Tacoma Traveler 23
10, 21, 22,

Edward Gibbon wrote a six-volume book about why Rome collapsed, spanning thousands of pages in total. You should read it. It turns out that, as convenient as it might be to lay the blame on any one factor, there was no silver bullet.

I kinda think that trying to sum up the collapse of the world's greatest superpower prior to the modern age in one paragraph is tad ambitious. Lets not oversimplify a complex historical event.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on December 9, 2012 at 9:59 AM · Report this
Sir Vic 24
@23 Of course you can't boil down a thousand years into a paragraph. SLOG isn't really the venue for posting one of my old term papers. I'm trying to give folks some quick points to rebut the David DeWolf's they encounter.

My degree is in classical history, and Gibbon hasn't been seriously taught in decades. I've read some of it. He's an occasionally worthwhile secondary source, but basing your understanding of Rome on Gibbon is pretty silly. Read the original sources.
Posted by Sir Vic on December 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM · Report this
Oddly enough, I know a lot of Republicans, including most rock musicians my age, and a lot of them smoke pot. I always found that odd, pot-smoking rocker Republicans, but that's pretty typical for people in their 50's.
Posted by BallardBoy on December 9, 2012 at 6:10 PM · Report this

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