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Mayor Mike McGinn Calls for an Economic Impact Study on Coal Trains
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Its kind of hard to fathom long freight trains rolling through what is planned to be a tourist district. This already happens in Edmonds, and the trains aren't slow -- 30 mph or more. Risk to life as well as an inconvenience.
The freight tracks running along the waterfront is a 100 yrs ago decision, really in many ways outdated given the mixed use / tourist use now of most of the urban waterfront.
The freight tracks running along the waterfront is a 100 yrs ago decision, really in many ways outdated given the mixed use / tourist use now of most of the urban waterfront.
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How about the impact on regional mobility in regards to the effects on both Amtrak and Sounder? What about the millions of dollars of taxpayer money spent to improve rail infrastructure, only to have it beat down by the exceptionally heavy coal trains?
IF we are going to do this, they should make BNSF bring the tracks over Stampede Pass up to passenger service levels, and make them run the coal train over Steven's Pass. That will at least keep it out of Seattle, and only impact passenger rail to points north of Everett.
IF we are going to do this, they should make BNSF bring the tracks over Stampede Pass up to passenger service levels, and make them run the coal train over Steven's Pass. That will at least keep it out of Seattle, and only impact passenger rail to points north of Everett.
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@4, I was interested in your comment because I didn't realize there was another E-W rail line in that part of the Cascades besides Stevens Pass. Sounds like a good idea, but a couple of factors might confound it. According to the Wikipedia article on Stampede Pass Tunnel:
As of 2007, BNSF and government agencies in Washington state are committed to enlarging Stampede Tunnel to accommodate larger intermodal freight cars. The current tunnel is not high enough for double stacked intermodal cars.—so some conflict with containerized freight. Also, the Stampede Tunnel is arched (high in the middle), unlike the straight-line ("boresight") Stevens Pass Tunnel, and might have inadequate ventilation for passenger trains. Not insoluble problems, but worth considering, and I think the public should be well-informed of all possible information and options in order to press for the best outcome on the coal-train question.
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We could easily turn the Deeply Buried Tunnel into a Coal Train Tunnel, and make the problem go away.
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Rob! Dear, the Northern Pacific's North Coast Limited used that tunnel for decades, all through the steam era, and the Empire Builder used it through much of the 70's. It's fine for passenger service.
As for the container traffic, send that across Steven's also. If BNSF is so eager to get this coal money, make them work for it.
Or bring back the Old Milwaukee Road line, which is currently the John Wayne Trail. That was the most direct and lowest grade route into Seattle from the east (I think. I need to brush up on my Milwaukee Road history)
As for the container traffic, send that across Steven's also. If BNSF is so eager to get this coal money, make them work for it.
Or bring back the Old Milwaukee Road line, which is currently the John Wayne Trail. That was the most direct and lowest grade route into Seattle from the east (I think. I need to brush up on my Milwaukee Road history)
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@Catalina, I found here that the Stevens Pass tunnel was running 70% of capacity already in 2008, the allowed max being 28 trains per day.
But one interesting possibility mentioned in the same report (assuming they increase the vertical clearance in the Stampede tunnel) is "directional running," i.e. one-way westbound over Stevens Pass and one-way eastbound over Stampede, westbound over Stevens being fortuitously favored by gradient considerations.
Less auspicious is that directional running "is an operational consideration for the private entities and cannot be enforced by the state."
But one interesting possibility mentioned in the same report (assuming they increase the vertical clearance in the Stampede tunnel) is "directional running," i.e. one-way westbound over Stevens Pass and one-way eastbound over Stampede, westbound over Stevens being fortuitously favored by gradient considerations.
Less auspicious is that directional running "is an operational consideration for the private entities and cannot be enforced by the state."
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Re: the John Wayne Trail/Iron Horse State Park, you'd have to fight the rails-to-trails aficionados.
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Rob! Dear, From an operational standpoint, multiple coal trains would probably limit the Steven's Pass tunnel even further, because of the increased ventilation needed due to the coal dust. That's why they want to run it along the Columbia and up the coast.
If the BNSF cannot meet their business obligations with their infrastructure, that is the BNSF's problem. They are contractually obligated to accommodate both Amtrak and Sounder, and as a taxpayer, that is my first concern. Coal for China (and the BNSF's profits) should not take precedence over our regional transportation, tourism and commerce needs
If the BNSF cannot meet their business obligations with their infrastructure, that is the BNSF's problem. They are contractually obligated to accommodate both Amtrak and Sounder, and as a taxpayer, that is my first concern. Coal for China (and the BNSF's profits) should not take precedence over our regional transportation, tourism and commerce needs
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I should clarify that I agree with your stance completely—and Amtrak suffers far too many delays already from prioritized freight—but if they were allowed to proceed with coal exporting, it would be nice to force shipments north as you initially suggested.
Another flaw with directional running is that the empty trains would presumably all go south through Seattle to reach Stampede Pass on the return trip, so you'd get the same car/truck traffic interference, and probably a lot of the dust as well.
Another flaw with directional running is that the empty trains would presumably all go south through Seattle to reach Stampede Pass on the return trip, so you'd get the same car/truck traffic interference, and probably a lot of the dust as well.
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