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If more terrorist attacks start occurring...

Does that mean we can finally start talking about how we need more racial profiling and waterboarding?
Posted by GermanSausage on December 14, 2012 at 10:18 AM · Report this
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"then can we talk about gun control"

Only in the very narrowly constrained sense that it should take that argument off the table; I can not imagine an effective conversation of gun control in America.
Posted by In Favor Of A Functional Government on December 14, 2012 at 10:23 AM · Report this
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nah this will never be routine. i hope maybe this breaks the camel's back.
Posted by marple on December 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM · Report this
raku 4
The NRA already answered this question: http://tinyurl.com/79bwrn9
Posted by raku on December 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM · Report this
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From what hear the whole gun control thing hasn't worked out very well in CF'S home town.
Posted by Ken Mehlman on December 14, 2012 at 10:29 AM · Report this
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I find it amazing that the conversation after these events is never about our mental health resources. The problem is not only that these people are armed, it is that they have serious mental health issues. I also believe in gun control, I just don't think that a change in gun culture or laws would preclude this kind of event (mass stabbings occur more often than people are usually aware of), whereas a more open culture in regards to mental health and a more capable mental health system, might actually reduce these type of events regardless of the weapons used.
Posted by Voxpop on December 14, 2012 at 10:40 AM · Report this
Max Solomon 7
i believe these killings run around one/6 weeks. there are clusters of events, possibly triggered by the initial shooting, in this case clackamas mall. just fare enough apart that we can say "it can't happen here" and move on.

given the number of guns in this country, and the alienation, it's amazing that it doesn't happen every day. but, if you include gun suicides and familicides, it probably does.
Posted by Max Solomon on December 14, 2012 at 10:43 AM · Report this
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Frequency doesn't matter.* The fact that so many of the dead today are children might, but I'm not holding my breath.

* Except in that it might reduce the frequency of Nino Scalia's guest-hosting NRA rallies, brandishing an AK, just for the sake of appearances.
Posted by Prettybetsy on December 14, 2012 at 10:45 AM · Report this
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I'm with 6. I'm all for reasonable gun controls, but I honestly don't think they will do much good against things like this. We're not going to get rid of guns, and people bent on killing will find weapons. Mental health services and intervention are probably the most effective strategy we have to keep this sort of crazyness from happening.
Posted by Placibo Domingo on December 14, 2012 at 11:01 AM · Report this
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It's tragic for people who deplore gun violence to be trapped in a country where mass-shooting incidents are routine. People are receiving and acting on ideas that mass murders are acceptable, when they need to receive and act on better and saner ideas and messages.
Posted by Mental health? What's that? Does it have ammo? on December 14, 2012 at 11:01 AM · Report this
Original Andrew 11
They are already happening more or less weekly, only the really horrific ones make the national news. The Brady Cetner to prevent gun violence keeps an updated list.

http://bradycenter.org/
Posted by Original Andrew on December 14, 2012 at 11:13 AM · Report this
keshmeshi 12
@6,

Greater mental health resources won't prevent these kinds of tragedies when they're also completely voluntary. Jared Loughner wouldn't have voluntarily committed himself, neither would have Seung-Hui Cho. Cho is especially notable because mental health authorities knew there was something wrong with him, but didn't have the authority to hold him involuntarily. The shooter at Northern Illinois University also intentionally went off his meds because they made him fat.

Better mental health resources would improve the lives of millions of people across this country who are desperate for quality mental health resources, but can't afford them. They will do exactly fuck all to prevent mass shootings since mass shooters avoid mental health treatment at all costs.
Posted by keshmeshi on December 14, 2012 at 11:26 AM · Report this

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