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Ceasefire is part of the problem. They are unorganized, lack leadership, and cannot match the fundraising of the NRA.
Posted by To hell with Ceaseife on December 14, 2012 at 1:13 PM · Report this
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Yeah. So, nothing. Again. This is what I was saying earlier. NOTHING. And it's not just Republicans; most Democrats are cool with it too. This is what despair looks like.
Posted by Fnarf on December 14, 2012 at 1:14 PM · Report this
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All Washington gun shows are membership only organizations that require an FBI background check for membership if you are not a member you can not purchase a firearm at a gun show. The background check needed for membership is the same needed to purchase a firearm at any Federally licensed dealer.

Most dealers at guns shows are Federal licensed dealers who are required to preform a background check when they sell a firearm. Which is exactly how they were able to obtain the 47% of guns sold are sold at guns shows statistic.
Posted by Cascadian Bacon on December 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM · Report this
"Because there's no support for it in the legislature," Flynn says.

Can you identify the politicians who oppose it so that efforts can be made to shift them or vote them out?
Do you have a web page that lays out the legislation you want passed?
With responses to any of your opponents' comments on it?
Posted by fairly.unbalanced on December 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM · Report this
I tend to think closing the gun show loophole would be a good idea. It wouldn't stop a clever and persistent person from acquiring a gun illegally, but the people who carry out these mass shootings are usually complete morons.
Posted by Ken Mehlman on December 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM · Report this
My sense with Ceasefire is that it does its best, but has misappropriated its priorities towards legislative action, and away from creating a grassroots effort that can pressure legislators from within their own constituencies.

I'd like to see some people with a background in community organizing begin to work on this issue, and stop looking at the legislature as the place to fight this battle. They need money (likely plentiful in Seattle if the right messaging and organizing is applied), they need support outside of Seattle (doable in Snohomish and Pierce counties, maybe in Spokane and Island?) and they need to talk to interest groups and communities most affected by gun legislation: mothers, clergy, the black and hispanic communities immediately spring to mind.
Posted by Diogenes_of_Sinope on December 14, 2012 at 1:31 PM · Report this
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@5, there is a zero percent chance of "closing the gun show loophole" at either the state or federal level, and you know it.

Your dues go to an organization that denies that the gun show loophole even exists (see @3).
Posted by Fnarf on December 14, 2012 at 1:42 PM · Report this
A legislator who has tried many times to get legislation started told me last week that it's so far impossible because the public doesn't really support it. Without that public support, no one will sign on as a co-sponsor to any bill.

Making comments on SLOG doesn't count as public support.
Posted by sarah70 on December 14, 2012 at 1:44 PM · Report this
@8, it's not true that the public doesn't support it. Without having the Harborview study in front of me, I can't quote you the numbers, but from what I recall when you get down to specific proposals for ways to restrict guns (closing the gun show loophole, waiting periods to purchase guns, etc) the public tends to support them with a wide margin.

The problem is that no organized pressure gets exerted on lawmakers, and the gun control proponents don't have a way of funneling money to gun control candidates in the way that the NRA can to pro-gun candidates. It's really a problem of organizing a movement, not of having no support for that movement amongst the people.
Posted by Diogenes_of_Sinope on December 14, 2012 at 1:51 PM · Report this
@7 I don't pay dues to the NRA I make donations. I could never be a part of an organization with so many irrational beliefs.
Posted by Ken Mehlman on December 14, 2012 at 2:05 PM · Report this
I suggest that anyone wanting to comment about the politics of gun control in Washington do a Google search on "Initiative 676" and then read a few of the articles that come up.
Posted by Mister G on December 14, 2012 at 2:39 PM · Report this
So maybe someone like Washington Ceasefire & Such groups could put out a call for nationwide marches on local NRA headquarters... imagine hundreds of people chanting outside of every NRA office "murder...murder...murder..." and holding up pictures of of slain children.
Posted by The Shadow Blows on December 14, 2012 at 4:19 PM · Report this
#12, something like that would be the answer to the NRA's dreams. Do you have any idea how much money they'd raise from their paranoid membership if that happened?
Posted by Mister G on December 14, 2012 at 4:41 PM · Report this
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@10: Can't be a member but can support their irrational beliefs financially? What do you think they do with that money?
Posted by Ziggity on December 14, 2012 at 4:54 PM · Report this
I joined the NRA for the stickers. They are great burglar repellants.
Posted by Mister G on December 14, 2012 at 5:56 PM · Report this
"usually in these mass shootings, there is an assault weapon, and it was purchased at a gun show."

Is this actually true? I remember the DC sniper bought his guns from a gun store in Tacoma. The Columbine guns were originally bought legally at a gun show but were then sold under the table illegally.
Posted by ishf on December 15, 2012 at 2:54 PM · Report this

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