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theophrastus 1
don't underestimate perverse political strategy here (i don't think that's a great danger here, but sometimes i worry); that is, Frank Chopp never did squat about gun control because he has a plan to extend the democrats eastward. not surprisingly, the republicans, including the newly minted (@#$!n) traitors, want to advance 'westward'. so don't be surprised if it becomes apparently the case that republicans move (slightly) on the gun control (where the democrats never did) ...sounds utterly nuts, i know, but that's the two party system -sigh-
Posted by theophrastus on December 15, 2012 at 11:38 AM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 5
Okay, I figured out.

Now that a meaningless Marriage Equality initiative and a meaningless Pot Initiative wont get voters to elect hypocritical Milquetoast Democrats, concerned with keeping their high perks and benefits, another term, they need a new bogeyman.

So, lets see how the Gun Control Initiative, funded by a tax on pot and coal, does in 2014.

You can see it..a mile away.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on December 15, 2012 at 11:59 AM · Report this
Doctor Memory 7
I think the anonowanker earned himself a time-out at #2.
Posted by Doctor Memory on December 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM · Report this

I think the anonowanker earned himself a time-out at #2.

At the very least.

Better yet, a reminder that wanking (and threatening) anonymously doesn't hide one's IP address from Slog's web gurus.
Posted by N in Seattle on December 15, 2012 at 12:33 PM · Report this
bleedingheartlibertarian 10
Please ban the IP address @2.

I'm all for an open forum as possible but that is over every line that exists.
Posted by bleedingheartlibertarian on December 15, 2012 at 1:07 PM · Report this
meanie 11
So whats its called when partisan hacks ( goldy and others) push for so called reforms that are unrelated to the current crime of the week?

Both recent shootings featured mentally unstable men, who stole firearms and committed insane acts of violence.

Debate of ideas is a cornerstone of our democracy. This is ambulance chasing, opportunistic evangelism and its disgusting.

Enjoy your moral podium with the abortion protesters.
Posted by meanie on December 15, 2012 at 1:13 PM · Report this
GOLDY IS AN ADULT?! I learned something from the troll!
Posted by NancyBalls on December 15, 2012 at 1:30 PM · Report this
TheRain 14
Here's a nice example of the sort of bill that could pass out of the Senate now, prime sponsored by GOP Senator Val Stevens last year:…

I think the strategy that says that Ed Murray should just get out of the way and let the GOP do what they want to do is the right one--it'll help all their "moderates" lose in 2014.
Posted by TheRain on December 15, 2012 at 1:34 PM · Report this
@14, sure, that's a great idea. Let them burn up the safety net shreds that still exist and prevent any possibility of revenue being created. All to keep the two DINOs from being re-elected. That's a good tradeoff.

Slog could ban Mr. G also, since his trollish BS is posted on other sites under other names, all spitting venom at "progressives".
Posted by sarah70 on December 15, 2012 at 2:01 PM · Report this
Mister G: what is fake about Goldy's (and others') progressivism? You probably explained somewhere, but I missed it.
Posted by Hanoumatoi on December 15, 2012 at 2:04 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 18

No. He's just a nutter who spews nonsense.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn on December 15, 2012 at 2:16 PM · Report this
sperifera 19
@2 - Really, just take a second and look at what you just wrote. You are so over the line by even thinking that sentiment that you are almost back at the line. And you call yourself a Christian... (pack your sunscreen)

Regardless of your rampant hatred for Goldy, and all things Goldy-like, having such negativity and hatred living within your soul is just sad sad sad. Maybe you think you will change some minds here, but instead you just expose yourself as a tremendously troubled human being by saying such a disgraceful thing. I hope you can somehow find some comfort in your existence some day.
Posted by sperifera on December 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM · Report this
@20, what? Your false equivalence is giving me a headache. You can argue that a gun's most basic function is to secure liberty against the threat of a tyrannical government...but you'd be wrong. It's most basic function is to kill or at best, to intimidate.

You're overthinking it.
Posted by jt on December 15, 2012 at 2:52 PM · Report this
@21 the power of a gun to intimidate springs from its power to harm.
Posted by Hanoumatoi on December 15, 2012 at 2:56 PM · Report this
Pridge Wessea 24
@5 - Bailo shut the fuck up. Meaningless
my ass.

@9 - tell us again how the Dems are going to lose the last election, okay

@15 - Of course you are. You're in favor of being in the minority too, right? Must be, you voted for McKenna.

@23 - Are you really implying that people are shooting up elementary schools so the government can take your guns? Holy shit, you are insane.
Posted by Pridge Wessea on December 15, 2012 at 3:37 PM · Report this
@23. Uh, I think you may want this tinfoil hat I made for you.
Posted by Hanoumatoi on December 15, 2012 at 4:13 PM · Report this
Lissa 27
I honestly thought it would take more than 36 hours before some one would spin this as a conspiracy that the "government" killed 20 kids to have an excuse to "take our GUNS11!!!1!!"
Guess I was wrong.
Posted by Lissa on December 15, 2012 at 6:33 PM · Report this
cracked 28
Mister G and Meanie are just gun nuts who are finally entering into full attack mode. Any values or principles they have will go on hold until/unless the discussion of gun control ceases. The sacred fetish must not be disrespected.
Posted by cracked on December 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM · Report this
Fnarf 29
You will see that I am right. Washington state will loosen its gun laws in the coming months, not tighten them.

This is who we are. Your Obama-voting, pro-gay-rights neighbor is caressing his weapons right now, dreaming of the day he saves a child by heroically taking out an ethnically dubious gunman in almost impossible circumstances -- just like his right-wing counterpart. The fantasy owns us now, owns us all.
Posted by Fnarf on December 15, 2012 at 7:46 PM · Report this
cracked 30
@29 FNARF, you are too right. dammit.
Posted by cracked on December 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM · Report this
John Scott Tynes 31
Where *are* the gun control initiatives, anyway? We've demonstrated that Seattle can overrule the rest of the state on those things. The legislature is useless. Our initiative process is broken so we might as well use it to reduce gun ownership in this state.
Posted by John Scott Tynes on December 16, 2012 at 12:43 AM · Report this
cracked 32
@29 FNARF, you are too right. dammit.
Posted by cracked on December 16, 2012 at 12:55 AM · Report this
Fnarf 34
@31, we have demonstrated no such thing. We can defeat the rest of the state on statewide candidates for office, but we can't defeat them in the legislature. In case you hadn't noticed, the Republicans control the state senate now. That means NOTHING WILL PASS. I very much doubt if a gun control bill will even come to a vote in that body.

Notice also that unlike some issues gun control is not strictly partisan. A ton of Democrats oppose even a hint of stronger standards as well.

The state legislature is more likely to pass a law mandating that teachers be armed than to pass one that contains even a cosmetic ban on anything.
Posted by Fnarf on December 16, 2012 at 10:01 AM · Report this
meanie 35
@34 your so close to dropping the hyperbole I am hopeful.

Your right, the bill of rights are not a partisan issue, on the second, first or fourth. Having a clear understanding of that is a much more lucid view on complex social issues like angry white men dropping out of society and deciding to wage war against it.

however your note on armed teachers drops right back into wil in seattle territory. Democrats passed the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 turning schools into shooting galleries.
The intention was to keep black teens from shooting each other, but in practical terms it prevented security offers, or even off duty police offers from being armed at or near schools.

Its fun to talk about rambo teachers, but preventing all schools from the *option* of having a off duty cop, as armed security presence under any circumstances seems just as absurd.

also, this:
Posted by meanie on December 16, 2012 at 10:28 AM · Report this

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