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Tacoma Traveler 1
A fitting and beautiful eulogy.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on December 16, 2012 at 7:28 PM · Report this
The last minute or so was crushing
Posted by California on December 16, 2012 at 7:39 PM · Report this
Tim Horton 3
The tide has finally turned on this issue. A nerve has been hit raw in middle America.

Meaningful gun control legislation is coming. The republicans can block it at their peril. They can line up politicians to make idiotic statements about the fact we need to arm our teachers (but not give them combat pay, of course) or that the solution to 300 million guns is 600 million guns. These lines will be the new 'rape sperm' poison that will cast the republican party as the party of idiocy in the 2014 election.

It shouldn't be this way. This shouldn't be a political issue, it is a public health issues. But if you are going to force middle American families to choose sides, then Democrats should happily rejoice that the NRA will further move the GOP towards permanent minority status.
Posted by Tim Horton on December 16, 2012 at 8:04 PM · Report this
passionate_jus 4
In DC tomorrow there's a march and rally at the NRA office:…
Posted by passionate_jus on December 16, 2012 at 8:06 PM · Report this
passionate_jus 5
I think this tragedy has finally touched a nerve, with even conservatives like David Brooks calling for saner gun laws.

And there are several petitions out there calling for gun control, including one on the White House website with over 134,000 signatures:…
Posted by passionate_jus on December 16, 2012 at 8:17 PM · Report this
What a beautiful human being our President is. I'm even more thankful he's our President than when he won the first time.
Posted by sarah70 on December 16, 2012 at 8:19 PM · Report this
stinky 7
Does this mean that the drone strikes will now end, or is it only the lives of "our" children that matter?
Posted by stinky on December 16, 2012 at 8:26 PM · Report this
passionate_jus 8
This is even a better petition, with specific solutions. Please sign all of them.…
Posted by passionate_jus on December 16, 2012 at 8:28 PM · Report this
Doctor Memory 9
Nice speech. The man does do nice speeches.

But talk is cheap. Let's see what kind of bill actually gets put forward, and just how much capital he's willing to spend to get it through the collection of degenerates we jokingly call the "House of Representatives".
Posted by Doctor Memory on December 16, 2012 at 8:43 PM · Report this
passionate_jus 10
Senator Feinstein, the woman who discovered the bodies of Harvey Milk and Mayor Moscone, is ready to put forward a bill banning assault weapons on day 1 of the next session.

It's a good start at least.…
Posted by passionate_jus on December 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM · Report this
Yes, engage with mental health professionals! There was a shooting at a shopping mall here in Portland the other day, just one day before the one in CT! It was a "troubled" young person doing the shooting here too. How about we give troubled people someone trained and compassionate to unload their feelings on? (instead of unloading a gun on others and/or themselves)
Posted by schnoodle on December 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM · Report this
It seems like a stock speech to me. I know he's genuinely upset about what has happened in these shootings and I hope his words gave comfort to those at Newtown, but seriously, I don't think it's appropriate to say "we can't accept events like this as routine" when that's exactly what he has done.
Posted by sisyphusgal on December 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM · Report this
Knat 14
A nice speech, and hopefully the start of something meaningful. Though I do wish he hadn't stopped to wave. I know that's what Fox and the rest of the conservative media will be jumping on that as Obama using this as an opportunity for grandstanding or something, rather than discussing the actual issue. But I guess they would just jump on something else instead, so it doesn't really matter.
Posted by Knat on December 16, 2012 at 9:18 PM · Report this
Far more kids are killed every year by cars, and driving isn't a constitutional right. I don't hold out much hope for adavances in gun control when more or less the laws turn on and only on the convenience of middle aged to elderely men and women with strange ideas about what humanity really entails. We just need to wait until these disgusting people die off I'm afraid.
Posted by kinaidos on December 16, 2012 at 10:01 PM · Report this
@12, you're assuming that all these troubled people 1) didn't have someone to unload their feelings on, and 2) they'd actually do so, and 3) if they did so, it would mean they wouldn't take their guns somewhere and shoot.

You should read the stories by some of their parents saying they'd tried to get their children help, and in some cases driven their kids to hospitals when they threatened to kill their parents or sibilings, and eventually it was all for naught. Because you can't confine someone for the rest of their life because they've made threats, and you can't force them to get help, and you can't force them to take meds, and sometimes the meds don't work.

That brings us back to the guns, because no matter how mentally ill someone is, they can't kill without a weapon.
Posted by sarah70 on December 16, 2012 at 10:03 PM · Report this
Foghorn Leghorn 17
Way too much Jeebus. I don't see how the senseless, violent deaths of innocent children is a great time to praise the Almighty's wisdom and mercy, as it aught to finally put an end to the last vestiges of any sensible person's religious beliefs. But the rest was nice.
Posted by Foghorn Leghorn on December 16, 2012 at 10:10 PM · Report this

Having grown up in a Catholic parish in the Northeast, I liked most of the president's speech, but when he bordered on trying to "do something"..I don't think he got much of a reaction.

While I don't intend to speak for the people of Newtown, the general mindset is that all things are God's will. That He decides what happens, no matter how horrible. People accept that as part of suffering. They also know nothing can change what has happened, and assume that if not this, than something else -- airplane crash, dam breaking.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on December 16, 2012 at 10:51 PM · Report this
What "general mindset", Bailo? I doubt that many people in Newton think this was God's will. Why don't you just talk about what you think, not what "people" think.
Posted by sarah70 on December 16, 2012 at 11:14 PM · Report this
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Posted by venomlash on December 17, 2012 at 5:59 AM · Report this
Pip Hellion 24
Require thumbprint identification locks on every gun allowing only their owner to use them.
Posted by Pip Hellion on December 17, 2012 at 7:01 AM · Report this
Actually, yes, that's pretty much what I was thinking. If we want to live in a country where guns are easy to get--and it's been made clear that many people do--then yes, we need to accept that things like this will happen. It IS because guns are readily available. No amount of gun education would have changed what young Mr. Lanza did, though gun education might prevent the many accidental deaths that go largely unrecorded by the media.

But why go for gun control when we can go for gun control and a better mental health infrastructure?
Posted by DRF on December 17, 2012 at 7:19 AM · Report this
Strict gun control might help a bit, and so might heavily expanded mental health care. These measures, however, would neither predict nor preclude the random acts of the many functional sociopaths who are encouraged by the prevailing 'kill-or-be-killed' culture. Could the lower rates of gun violence in countries with stricter gun controls also be down to the character of their societies? What Obama hints at—he would never say such a thing, but I am not so timid—is the need for a total overhaul of American values and culture.

It's playing the long game, but we need to consider what we can do to foster a better citizenry.

While it's tempting, very tempting, to fantasize about sending the NRA and most of the House Republicans to re-education camps in China to build iPhones, in fact it will require Americans taking a good look at their priorities, searching for clues as to where our culture went so wrong.
Posted by GasparFagel on December 17, 2012 at 7:01 PM · Report this
It's not either/or. Let's change our culture and mental health polices AND do whatever exactly Australia did with the gun thing.
Posted by Phoebe on December 18, 2012 at 10:33 AM · Report this
What kind of a nation loves its guns more than its children?

That's the question I'd like to see asked.
Posted by I have always been... east coaster on December 18, 2012 at 5:35 PM · Report this

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