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See, that why every house fire needs to have armed guards.
Posted by Nate Dogg on December 24, 2012 at 8:32 AM · Report this
seatackled 2
Maybe we need to arm firefighters. Or have an armed police officer at every place where a fire might break out.
Posted by seatackled on December 24, 2012 at 8:33 AM · Report this
Posted by PaulBarwick on December 24, 2012 at 8:37 AM · Report this
zombie eyes 4
We shouldn't have removed God from firehouses.
Posted by zombie eyes on December 24, 2012 at 8:41 AM · Report this
Please, please, please start up a Well-Regulated Militia Watch.
Posted by DisorganizedReligion on December 24, 2012 at 8:42 AM · Report this
So are we a sexually repressed, violence obsessed culture or not? I feel like I missed a memo
Posted by NancyBalls on December 24, 2012 at 8:42 AM · Report this
Ziggity 8
Look, it's not fair for you to keep bringing up tragic, poignant, real-world examples that refute the basic tenets of Morgan's arguments and underscore the awful consequences of his fight to increase access to firearms.
Posted by Ziggity on December 24, 2012 at 9:10 AM · Report this
Too bad the NRA can't get you deported, Dan, like Piers Morgan! Damn Commie Brit has the nerve to call for sensible gun regulation in the US! He forgets who saved this parents' sorry asses during WWII (using GUNS, I might add!)
Posted by LML on December 24, 2012 at 9:22 AM · Report this
It's OK, Morgan. You don't have to think about those dead firefighters who probably have kids who won't see their dads (or moms) for Christmas. I'll give you something else to think about: I'm kind of fat, and I'm going to eat gingerbread cookies for breakfast today and put whipped cream on my latte later!
Posted by J from Oregon on December 24, 2012 at 9:27 AM · Report this
Max Solomon 12
doesn't pass the FBI threshold for mass shooting, only 2 dead.

so, we're still only at 5 for the last 10 days.
Posted by Max Solomon on December 24, 2012 at 9:30 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 13
Where are the religious fanatics telling us firefighters don't believe in god?
Posted by Pope Peabrain on December 24, 2012 at 9:38 AM · Report this
my condolences to the families. Have they found the shooters?
Posted by six shooter on December 24, 2012 at 9:40 AM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 17
So you are saying banning guns would prevent arson (which tends to kill firefighters as well)?

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on December 24, 2012 at 10:38 AM · Report this
Ziggity 18
Remember when Trayvon Martin was shot an the NRA started a campaign encouraging all those young black men to go arm themselves?
Posted by Ziggity on December 24, 2012 at 10:44 AM · Report this
Meanwhile, just outside of Milwaukee, Wisconsin…

My condolences to everyone affected by gun violence in this country.
Posted by Bojac6 on December 24, 2012 at 10:48 AM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 20

That is a good one to discuss, since Trayvon supposedly got the jump on Zimmerman he would have definitely saved his own life.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on December 24, 2012 at 10:49 AM · Report this
Ziggity 21
Shit guess Twitter came up with that first. Well I quit.
Posted by Ziggity on December 24, 2012 at 11:08 AM · Report this
sloegin 22
They failed to rush the shooter. Or feminism, or something.
Posted by sloegin on December 24, 2012 at 11:14 AM · Report this
Sargon Bighorn 23
Did you notice how many Women there were at that shooting? If ONLY there had been some big burly men and maybe a few husky 12 year old boys....
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on December 24, 2012 at 11:18 AM · Report this
Puty 24
I second the Well-Regulated Militia Watch request.
Posted by Puty on December 24, 2012 at 12:09 PM · Report this
This is a horrible tragedy, and my condolences to the firefighters and their families. How did the killer get the gun in the first place? I read that he served 17 years in prison for killing his grandmother. As a convicted felon, it was illegal under both state and federal law for him to possess any firearm, or for anyone to give him or sell him a firearm. Existing gun control laws are not keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals. So what benefit is there to disarming law-abiding citizens (and legal immigrants, for that matter) who never have and never will commit a crime?
Posted by Richard Pope on December 24, 2012 at 12:20 PM · Report this
venomlash 26
@25: Let's close the gun show loophole, making it so that you can't legally acquire a gun without passing a background check first. How is that going to "[disarm] law-abiding citizens"?
Posted by venomlash on December 24, 2012 at 1:01 PM · Report this
LaSargenta 27

@15 Upstate doesn't have strict gun laws.
@25 don't know any particulars in this case, but it is conceivable that someone could have (upstate) gotten a license in 1990, been convicted of a crime, and the databases never got synched. Upstate I don't think you have to renew, just get the license once and then no more checks.
Posted by LaSargenta on December 24, 2012 at 1:47 PM · Report this
Posted by capicola on December 24, 2012 at 4:02 PM · Report this
Tim Horton 29
On this Christmas eve, I stop to ask myself, what kind of gun would Jesus own?
Posted by Tim Horton on December 24, 2012 at 6:32 PM · Report this
A Smith and Wesson, obviously.…
Posted by geminilee on December 24, 2012 at 6:55 PM · Report this
according to this info, there are about 30 people killed by guns everyday in the US. most are 'hand guns' (not AR weapons)

and in 1995 gun deaths were 2x what they are now.
somehow we dropped the number of hand gun deaths by 40% from to 2000.

as horrible as the mass shootings are, theres something much more complex and significant going on with violence, deaths, and guns in the US than just high capacity weapons, or teenagers watching video games.…
Posted by Cassette tape fan on December 24, 2012 at 7:06 PM · Report this
Also on Christmas Eve, a Bellaire, TX police officer and the manager of a Maaco auto body shop were shot and killed by a driver who had been stopped for a traffic infraction. Wayne LaPierre said the only response to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, but the Bellaire police officer was a good guy with a gun. He's now dead and so is the Maaco manager.
Posted by Samuel on December 25, 2012 at 8:32 AM · Report this
One of the guns used - the one that probably killed the two volunteer firefighters - was the same kind as the one used in the Newtown school shooting. It definitely wasn't the gunman's legally, but if these high-powered killing machines hadn't been sold to civilians at all, he probably couldn't have gotten his hands on it.

The thing that especially breaks my heart is that these were *volunteer* firefighters. This wasn't their job, and they didn't even make money from putting out fires. Instead, they put themselves at risk for other's safety. (Not realizing they would be at risk of being shot, of course, but putting out fires isn't exactly risk-free.) One of them was only 19 years old. 19! I grew up near Webster and am home for the holidays... the town is so shaken.
Posted by 14thblackbird on December 26, 2012 at 8:07 AM · Report this
TreGibbs 34
Let us not forget that these firemen were VOLUNTEER firemen.
Posted by TreGibbs on December 26, 2012 at 2:03 PM · Report this
To add to the gun debate, from a WA Sup Ct case this year:

173 Wn.2d 752 (Wash. 2012)
270 P.3d 574
Bonnie ANTHIS, individually, and as Personal
Representative of the Estate of Harvey Allen Anthis,
Walter William COPLAND, Petitioner.
No. 85230-8.
Supreme Court of Washington, En Banc.
February 16, 2012

¶ 2 Sometimes lives are altered, even destroyed, so
suddenly and unexpectedly as to defy explanation.
Copland, a retired police officer from the city of Tacoma,
spent the day with a friend, John Stevens, in Kennewick,
Washington. They spent some time at the Burbank
Tavern in nearby Walla Walla County and then returned
to Stevens' house in Kennewick. In re Copland, No.
09-47782, 2010 WL 4809327, at *1 (Bankr.W.D.Wash.
Sept. 23, 2010) (unpublished).
¶ 3 On the way, Copland stopped to buy whiskey
and vodka. At Stevens' house Stevens' longtime friend
Anthis joined the pair. The three passed the afternoon on
Stevens' outdoor deck drinking and eating and enjoying
conversation about upcoming fishing trips. That evening,
in events described as " stunning both in their rapidity
and unexpectedness," Copland said to Anthis, " ' I could
shoot and kill you,' " and Anthis responded, " ' bring it
on.' " Id. Copland produced a .22 derringer and placed it
up to Anthis' right temple. No argument preceded the
exchange, and Anthis did not move. Stevens saw the
flash, heard the shot, and saw Anthis fall off his chair to
the floor. Copland then returned to his seat, put the gun in
his back pocket, placed his head in his hands and said, " '
Oh, my God, I've killed
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Al.' " Id. In a flash, two lives were destroyed.
¶ 4 Copland was convicted of first degree
manslaughter and is serving time in prison. See State v.
Copland, noted at 140 Wash.App. 1006, 2007 WL
Posted by dingo chapness on December 26, 2012 at 4:03 PM · Report this

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